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To: Lurker
Why do you think the crime rate has dropped so steadily in the past 40 years? We are murdering would be criminals before they are born. Its not worth the cost in human life but its a real result from abortion.

I'd like to see the problem addressed before conception.
20 posted on 05/13/2006 1:08:47 AM PDT by RHINO369
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To: RHINO369

That's just as monstrous of a statement as the abortionist lawyer. Pure evil.


24 posted on 05/13/2006 1:18:22 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: RHINO369
We are murdering would be criminals before they are born

There are seven too many words in this sentence.

L

26 posted on 05/13/2006 1:20:40 AM PDT by Lurker (Anyone who doesn't demand an immediate end to illegal immigration is aiding the flesh trade.)
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To: RHINO369
Why do you think the crime rate has dropped so steadily in the past 40 years? We are murdering would be criminals before they are born

I have heard that argument before (from the Freakonomics folks, IIRC). But I don't buy it. If it were true, then the places with higher abortion rates would have had greater drops in crime, and all of the statistics I've seen show that not to be the case.

Instead, I believe the drop in crime in the U.S. is based on better policing and more liberal (from a Jeffersonian perspective) concealed carry laws. Ironically, some of the drop in crime was also due to Bill Clinton, whose draconian gun control policies convinced a lot of people who otherwise were apathetic to the gun control debate to go out and buy a firearm for their home. Since the inverse correlation of crime to gun ownership is well established (Kleck, Lott, etc) I think that improved gun ownership had more of a positive effect than abortion ever did, if abortion had any positive effect at all.

29 posted on 05/13/2006 1:24:20 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: RHINO369
Where and when did you become qualified to determine:

1.Who will eventurally become a criminal and

2.Which human life is worthy to be lived and which is not.

It always amazes me that man, even after thousands of years of history of other fallen men taking on the role of God with disasterous, horrific consequences, still arrogantly considers himself to be the center of the universe and therefore wholly qualified to make proclamations and decisions that God has reserved for Himself.

Incredible.

46 posted on 05/13/2006 2:28:46 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: RHINO369
Why do you think the crime rate has dropped so steadily in the past 40 years?

The bit of Freakonomics "theory" has been completely debunked. Abortion is not the cause of the crime drop.

52 posted on 05/13/2006 4:12:59 AM PDT by RobFromGa (In decline, the Driveby Media is thrashing about like dinosaurs caught in the tar pits.)
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To: RHINO369

Rhino: Why do you think the crime rate has dropped so steadily in the past 40 years? We are murdering would be criminals before they are born. Its not worth the cost in human life but its a real result from abortion.

I'd like to see the problem addressed before conception


Explain your underlying assumptions, if you will. It seems that you are implying that criminality is innate (genetic). Is this what you are saying?

If tomorrow, some unforseen misfortune occured in your life and you lost everything you now have and as a consequence, you found yourself among the ranks of the poor with no hope for recovery, should any future offspring you sired be deemed 'criminal?" and thus needful of 'abortion.' After all, if you had 'made it in life,' so to speak, but then 'lost everything,' wouldn''t that be indicative of 'poor genes"?---the sort from which society ought to be protected?


73 posted on 05/13/2006 6:15:50 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: RHINO369

You're also murdering doctors, lawyers, American workers who would be paying into social security and taxes... not to mention future members of the military. So I guess you love the idea of illegals then... cheaper right? I bet you love their kids (those who have the kids, rule the world). No one looks at the moral implications of it... it's not just get rid of it and that's it. It affects all of society. Not just migration.


109 posted on 05/13/2006 7:41:38 AM PDT by AliVeritas (The beatings will continue until morale improves.)
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To: RHINO369
You're ignoring the affect of capital punishment

Between 1965 and 1990 murder skyrocketed in the US during this time abortion was legalized the steady decline began only after capital punishment was reinstated..

138 posted on 05/13/2006 8:16:04 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: RHINO369

"Why do you think the crime rate has dropped so steadily in the past 40 years? We are murdering would be criminals before they are born. Its not worth the cost in human life but its a real result from abortion."
Sounds good to me. Capital punishment for those who MIGHT grow up to be criminals.


187 posted on 05/13/2006 11:51:04 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: RHINO369; Technogeeb; GiovannaNicoletta; dasboot; Lurker; Deo volente; iowamark; jocon307; ...
I'm not at all convinced that a decline in crime was causally linked to legal abortion. At least one writer, Steve Sailer, has gone over the Freekonomics statistics and found that "Roe-Survivor" generational cohorts actually engaged in MORE crime because Roe paradoxically boosted the illegitimacy/fatherlessness rate by blasting the stuffing out of male responsibility.

Don't take this on faith. Read it and weigh the evidence:

Pre-emptive Executions?

The notion that legalizing abortion drives down crime rates is logically flawed and morally repugnant.

by Steve Sailer

http://amconmag.com/2005_05_09/feature.html

210 posted on 05/13/2006 1:25:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: RHINO369
We are murdering would be criminals before they are born.

That's a leap not supported by fact. Fact is that economic opportunity is the largest crime fighter that we produce, and we produce the most of it on the planet. That's why everybody wants to come here. (see tagline)

292 posted on 05/14/2006 2:53:16 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (How come Mexican illegals don't sneak into Cuba?)
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To: RHINO369

In the big picture, what's the difference if it's addressed before or shortly after conception? Once you assert that it's ethical to exercise some control over who gets to be born and live a life and who doesn't, the outcome is the same. If you stop a rape, you might well be stopping a conception, which would be preventing a life which might have been. Does this mean you shouldn't try to stop a rape if you can? Sure, I'm glad I'm here having a life, but if I weren't, it certainly wouldn't make a whit of difference to me whether my life had been prevented shortly before or shortly after conception.


364 posted on 05/19/2006 9:31:52 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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