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Inside National Education Association (May 2006) President's Comments, No Child Left Behind attacked
NEA Today (some articles accessible online) ^ | 5/15/2006 | self

Posted on 05/15/2006 7:19:15 AM PDT by Nextrush

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To: Nextrush
'a custodian actually started crying while describing what's happening to some of his teacher-colleagues,'

That is so gay.

'He said students are so upset that they're blaming their teachers for having to take all these tests, and deciding to punish the teachers by refusing to answer the questions.'.........

I don't blame the kids. If they're not taught academics, how could they possibly pass an academics test?
I'm with the students 100%.

21 posted on 05/15/2006 7:59:15 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Nextrush
Members have been telling them of the many ways in which NCLB is distorting the curriculum.....

Yeah! There's tree hugging class, fisting class, abortion studies, race baiting 101, club queerdom, animal deity worship ,etc.
How can the liberal indoctrinators get to the really important stuff when useless junk like reading, writing and arithmetic keep getting in the way?
Congress has to do something to save the socialist revolution, and they have to do it now before the entire revolution falls apart.

22 posted on 05/15/2006 8:06:11 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Nextrush
'One sixth-grade teacher said his school is spending so much time testing reading and math, they've been unable to focus on science and social studies as they used to do,' says Pringle......

Where's history? Oh yeah. Social studies is mandatory if the revolution is to be a success.
History has to be eliminated. Kids might learn from it. They'll figure out what "freedom" really means.
Oh! We can't have that in the liberal gooberment skrools now can we?

23 posted on 05/15/2006 8:11:04 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Nextrush
Home-schooling parents believe school is dangerous, they told surveyors

Teacher Has Kids Write About Whom They'd Murder

24 posted on 05/15/2006 8:15:00 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: billbears
Twentyfive percent of NEA members in my state are registered republicans. Politics from both sides is killing education. How do you remove the politics? HOw do you bring back discipline? Go back 30 years, the schools functioned well in America. Is it the teachers; or is how we are raising our children and our society?

NCLB was designed to further extend the fed's control in education. I thought the repubs were about local control and smaller government in America.

NCLB will be swept out the door next election and we will be back to square one.

25 posted on 05/15/2006 8:16:32 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Eska
Twentyfive percent of NEA members in my state are registered republicans. Politics from both sides is killing education. How do you remove the politics? HOw do you bring back discipline?

Eliminate the union. It supports the left and brings in left wing policies in return. The teachers obey, and the kids become the tools to make it happen.

When the teachers union wants a pay raise, they threaten to cut back on students fun stuff like gym, art, and recess if the parents do not obey and hand over the cash.

26 posted on 05/15/2006 8:23:38 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Nextrush
I didn't see any mention of Mark Levin's Landmark Legal Foundation.
27 posted on 05/15/2006 8:24:08 AM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: Eska

I'm not disagreeing with you, but what should scare you more.

Is federal control worse, or is the power of the National Education Association and its agenda worse?

I compared NEA to Al Capone and the KKK earlier and the feds went after them when local power didn't work.

I think that's the problem here, the liberal (NEA) agenda in education.

I believe in local control, but even the local elected school boards around here (PA) are filled with NEA and or liberal people. They (the school boards) aren't going to fix things and every time we elect a conservative school board in one district, they (Education Association) pour money in to take them out in the next election.

Its like some corrupt political machine the way liberals seize and maintain control of our local school boards in PA.

Send in the feds and get the gangsters out of education.


28 posted on 05/15/2006 8:43:32 AM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: concerned about politics
I'd agree with that if you could also kick the parents out of education. All the my johnny wouldn't do such a thing and why didn't you give susie an A when she had an 87%; I'm going to file a lawsuit. Don't laugh, problems began when they took discipline away from teachers and gave kids & parents all the ridiculous social rights.

Most teachers belong to the NEA out of necessity for legal protection, not because they are communists. School boards & admin people today are all politicians that would rather file charges against a teacher than tell a parent for once that they are wrong.

Just a social reflection of our society in general.

29 posted on 05/15/2006 8:43:34 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Nextrush
The National Education Association doesn't want their members held accountable and they don't want to teach reading and math.

Bull$hit. That may be the case in some instances, and it probably is, but a blanket statement like that is false.

How is NCLB hurting, dare I ask?

Good question. Do a search sometime in your locale on NCLB and 'highly qualified'. There are teachers here in NC whose students excel above the standards set by NCLB that are not 'highly qualified' according to NCLB. And it's not only in North Carolina.

The four-year-old No Child Left Behind law says teachers must have a bachelor's degree, a state license and proven competency in every subject they teach by this year. The first federal order of its kind applies to teachers of math, history and any other core class.

So for example. I know of a teacher that has taught Social Studies/History for over 40 years. But according to NCLB, science is the core course of study tied to Social Studies. This teacher has never taught science, does not plan on teaching science, and is never required to teach science. But because science is tied to social studies, this person is not 'highly qualified' according to the government. And yet, this teacher's students pass state exams with flying colors when it comes to history and social studies. And yes, I know of whole schools that are not 'highly qualified' because of this bureaucratic nonsense

Frankly, the Dept of Education, the Republican party, and any political hack, or their supporters, that defends this 'act' without knowing what it is doing to teachers can shove it.

That good enough for you?

30 posted on 05/15/2006 8:46:08 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Eska

I have to include parents for if there is one thing I agree with classroom teachers on, is that parents need to get involved and behind their children's education.

Why is home schooling successful? Because parents take personal responsibility for their children's education.

But it must be education without a liberal agenda. If parents want to challenge teachers for busting Bush in class or having a "Murder Assignment," I'm sorry, we need "charges" then.


31 posted on 05/15/2006 8:48:37 AM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: Eska
IIRC, a substantial number of public school teachers send their kids to private schools.
Help from FReeper please.
32 posted on 05/15/2006 8:54:06 AM PDT by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: billbears

You're repeating charges made by the National Education Association in their magazine article that I didn't include.

Are you promoting the NEA agenda, here?

There has been a gangster, liberal takeover of education in our country and federal intervention is justified until local communities have the courage and understanding to rise up and retake their schools from the liberals.

What bothers you more, the liberal politically correct agenda in education or the No Child Left Behind law? I pick the former.


33 posted on 05/15/2006 8:56:03 AM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: billbears
I agree with you 1000%.

My wife is a public high school teacher (science), as is her father (history), brother (math) and sister-in-law (math). Her mother is an elementary school teacher. My wife also serves on the Board of Education in the city we live in (she teaches in a neighboring district, obviously).

While they are a family of staunch Conservatives, the NCLB law has prevented them from teaching the curriculum they want to teach. Instead they have to teach to a test that the federal government mandates they administer. Half of the information in the test is of no relevance to anything, and half of the things they might really need to know to succeed in the future is omitted.

How is this helpful to anyone?
34 posted on 05/15/2006 9:06:21 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the perpetually dejected Mets fan.)
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To: Nextrush
Originally from Pa; but have lived in alaska over a dozen years. Believe me, your schools are light years better than anything in alaska.

Property taxes improve schools, in many areas of alaska prop taxes are non-existent and schools don't even have books. You only get what you pay for.

Local control without state oversight and accountability leads to massive corruption within school districts. It's great to live in a repub state but the down side is these same repubs refuse to expose the problems of local control; just keep the money flowing. Schools exist not to educate children but rather to provide endless money source for school boards, admin people, and their relatives to line their pockets.

Personally, I want politics out of education, the feds out of education, the local crooks out of education. A state dept of ed that is rigidly controlled by an unbiased board of (business types) no teachers, politicians, preachers, off the wall parents, ect to set goals and directions for the future.

35 posted on 05/15/2006 9:10:20 AM PDT by Eska
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To: CT-Freeper

You touched on one of the problems with our local school boards.

Many local school board members are people who teach in other school districts and are NEA members.

The boards don't represent parents-taxpayers who believe in fiscal responsibility and solid education but teachers-union members who think they may need more money, spending and political correctness to make education "better."

What irks me the most is that teacher-union school board members vote on teacher contracts that determine pay and benefits for fellow teacher-union members. What a conflict of interest?

And by the way, "staunch conservative" is liberal speak. Sounds like something the drive-by media would say.

I'm a real conservative. I don't push the liberal NEA agenda of your family members.


36 posted on 05/15/2006 9:20:31 AM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: Eska

Property taxes drive people out of their homes, especially elderly people down here.

Its a hot issue with politicians trying to come up with new taxes to replace property taxes down here.

A scheme to take more out of our pockets so NEA members can have more pay, better health plans and fat pensions.

Where's all that oil money going up there?

Is it really that bad in education in Alaska or are you giving me some NEA propaganda?


37 posted on 05/15/2006 9:25:58 AM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: concerned about politics

"I see the face of a child. She has a beautiful, shy smile. She lives in a huge, sprawling shantytown in a developing country. She is dark-skinned. Her nationality doesn't matter. What matters is that she is a child with all the dazzling potential of a child. "

And the NEA is looking to squash that potential.



38 posted on 05/15/2006 9:32:42 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats = The Culture of Treason)
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To: Nextrush

You think the feds are better ? They're in cahoots with the NEA as well.

No public school is the answer - private choice is.


39 posted on 05/15/2006 9:36:04 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Eska

Please - there are a very small number of parents who pull those stunts.

I am always amazed at the number of people who blame parents rather than the schools.


40 posted on 05/15/2006 9:40:09 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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