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NYC Files Lawsuits Against Gun Shops
1010 WINS ^ | 15 May 2006 | NA

Posted on 05/15/2006 8:23:44 AM PDT by neverdem

NEW YORK -- The Bloomberg administration today announced a federal lawsuit against 15 out-of-state gun shops where it said firearms are sold illegally, and in some cases, end up in the hands of New York City criminals.

The city is suing gun dealers in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia that it says supply a significant portion of the guns that flow into New York. The suit asks the court to halt illegal sales and requests supervision and extra training for the dealers. It also seeks some damages and compensation.

The lawsuit is being Monday in federal court in Brooklyn.

The city's law department hired private investigators who fanned out to dealers in the five states over the past several weeks to prove what it says is already indicated by trace data.

The undercover investigators attempted "straw purchases,'' in which the buyer completes the paperwork and passes the background check, but later hands over the weapon to someone else who is not allowed to own a firearm.

The 15 dealers named in the suit sold guns to the undercover investigators. The city said the sales were refused at about 30 other shops.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; bang; banglist; bloomberg; bradycampaign; chuckschumer; handguncontrolinc; hci; hillary; rkba
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NYC sues 15 gun shops in five states, including Virginia
1 posted on 05/15/2006 8:23:47 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Must be election season...


2 posted on 05/15/2006 8:25:11 AM PDT by P-40
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To: neverdem
And how is this Bloomie's business?

Oh, wait... he's a liberal. Doesn't need justification to behave as a fool. It's inherent to the title.
3 posted on 05/15/2006 8:26:07 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: neverdem
The undercover investigators attempted "straw purchases,'' in which the buyer completes the paperwork and passes the background check, but later hands over the weapon to someone else who is not allowed to own a firearm.

....and this is the fault of the gunshop, HOW?????

4 posted on 05/15/2006 8:26:50 AM PDT by edpc
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To: neverdem
The undercover investigators attempted "straw purchases,'' in which the buyer completes the paperwork and passes the background check, but later hands over the weapon to someone else who is not allowed to own a firearm.

So the investigator is the one who broke the law!

6 posted on 05/15/2006 8:28:01 AM PDT by Gator101
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To: P-40
Maybe they should go right to the source and sue the steel industry which supplies the metal which the gun manufacturers use.
7 posted on 05/15/2006 8:28:04 AM PDT by Theoden (Fidei Defensor)
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To: neverdem
The undercover investigators attempted "straw purchases..."

...which in itself is a felony.

8 posted on 05/15/2006 8:28:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: neverdem
The lawsuit is being Monday in federal court in Brooklyn.

I don't think this is proper venue. Shouldn't they have to file suit in the federal district where each of the gun dealers are?

9 posted on 05/15/2006 8:28:36 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Como se llama, bonita, mi casa, su casa)
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To: edpc

See, the gun dealer is supposed to assign someone to the purchaser and the weapon to ensure that it is not illegally passed on to a third party.

Here in VA one of the specific questions on the form is 'are you purchasing this item for another party?'. What more are dealers supposed to do? If NY didn't have unconstitutional gun restrictions, they wouldn't have all those 'illegal' guns on the streets.


10 posted on 05/15/2006 8:30:51 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: neverdem

They got the straw purchase frame up method from Mayor Daley and his gestapo chiefs.


11 posted on 05/15/2006 8:31:04 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: SittinYonder

Of course.

A retailer in Georgia selling to a person standing in Georgia. All events occurred in Georgia. Lawsuit in Georgia.

I want the police in Georgia to charge Mayor Bloomberg, et al, with some Georgia felony.

Conspiracy to violate gun laws or somesuch.


12 posted on 05/15/2006 8:32:03 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: neverdem

"the buyer completes the paperwork and passes the background check, but later hands over the weapon to someone else who is not allowed to own a firearm."

How is this the stores problem? It sounds like the store did its job. What, are we now going to go after WalMart when some buys aspirin for themselves but passes some out on a camping trip?


13 posted on 05/15/2006 8:32:28 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: neverdem

So does this mean that anyone who is the victim of a crime perpetrated by an illegal alien can sue New York City for maintaining a "sanctuary city" policy?


14 posted on 05/15/2006 8:32:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: neverdem

Didn't we just have a federal law passed that prohibited this kind of thing?


15 posted on 05/15/2006 8:32:59 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
I want the police in Georgia to charge Mayor Bloomberg, et al, with some Georgia felony.

I'll see what I can do.

16 posted on 05/15/2006 8:33:32 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Como se llama, bonita, mi casa, su casa)
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To: neverdem

This is typical of the anti-Bill of Rights people like Democrat/Republican Bloomburg.

INstead of trying to use a "sting" to net gunshop owners trying to do a legitimate business, why don't these morons support laws with teeth in them - laws that put violent felons into the kind of Gulag-like prisons we ran back in the days of Al Capone, like Alcatraz??


17 posted on 05/15/2006 8:33:47 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: neverdem
I've got to pick my jaw up off the floor ... hang on ...

When a government agent willfully violates the law, and then persecutes a business for the action performed by the government agent, we have truly entered the land of Atlas Shrugged.

I think a hard rains a' gonna fall.

18 posted on 05/15/2006 8:33:48 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

"I want the police in Georgia to charge Mayor Bloomberg, et al, with some Georgia felony.

Conspiracy to violate gun laws or somesuch."

That and flagrant stupidity.


19 posted on 05/15/2006 8:34:13 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: edpc
The undercover investigators attempted "straw purchases,'' in which the buyer completes the paperwork and passes the background check, but later hands over the weapon to someone else who is not allowed to own a firearm.

This is series investigative work! Who knew?

20 posted on 05/15/2006 8:34:17 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: Theoden
...sue the steel industry which supplies the metal which the gun manufacturers use.

And also sue the plastic industry for making those mythical guns that are not detectable by screeners.

21 posted on 05/15/2006 8:34:21 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: Rummyfan
What more are dealers supposed to do?

Exactly. It's not like someone making a straw purchase isn't going to LIE about it.

22 posted on 05/15/2006 8:35:18 AM PDT by edpc
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To: neverdem

(The undercover investigators attempted "straw purchases,'' in which the buyer completes the paperwork and passes the background check, but later hands over the weapon to someone else who is not allowed to own a firearm.)

WTF! The lawsuit should be dismissed immediately as frivolous as the gun shop didn't do anything illegal. This is harrassment pure and simple. Bloomberg should be sued for conspiracy to violate citizen's second amendment rights.


23 posted on 05/15/2006 8:35:45 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: pgyanke
This is series investigative work!

Yes...and a hugh story.

24 posted on 05/15/2006 8:36:25 AM PDT by edpc
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To: Theoden
Maybe they should go right to the source and sue the steel industry

LOL! That seems to be the way we are headed. I can see it now - sellers of raw steel will have to get a promise from buyers that they won't use their steel to make guns.

While we are laughing at the absurdity some liberal somewhere is probably thinking this would actually be a good idea.

25 posted on 05/15/2006 8:36:39 AM PDT by Gator101
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To: neverdem

Bloomberg must get advice from AG Spitzer.


26 posted on 05/15/2006 8:38:59 AM PDT by floozy22
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To: neverdem

Did NY advise the local authorities about the NY sting outside the state?


They better have a story other than paperwork.

If the dealter was overt in knowing this was a straw man deal then they have problems.

It is interesting the article burries the fact 30 dealers had no issue.


27 posted on 05/15/2006 8:39:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SittinYonder

Please do. Seriously.

New York need to understand it does not run the United States.

Welcome to Georgia, boys.


28 posted on 05/15/2006 8:39:58 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: neverdem

Geez...I once sold a car to somebody who used it in an armed robbery....will the loony tunes be coming for me next?


29 posted on 05/15/2006 8:40:08 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: ClearCase_guy
When a government agent willfully violates the law, and then persecutes a business for the action performed by the government agent, we have truly entered the land of Atlas Shrugged.

Well said!

30 posted on 05/15/2006 8:41:07 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: Alberta's Child
for maintaining a "sanctuary city" policy?

I would be surprised if this had not been tried somewhere already. There are a lot of cities that started that sanctuary city nonsense but after 9/11 they tend to not promote it.
31 posted on 05/15/2006 8:41:36 AM PDT by P-40
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To: MeanWestTexan

Please, keep Bloomberg. He's boring.


32 posted on 05/15/2006 8:43:04 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: FreePaul; Theoden
...sue the steel industry which supplies the metal which the gun manufacturers use.

And also sue the plastic industry for making those mythical guns that are not detectable by screeners.

Let's throw in the toilet/sink manufacturers for good measure. They make porcelain. I love this debunked quote.....

That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me! You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It dosen't show up on you airport X-ray machines, and it cost more than you make here in a month.

- Bruce Willis, in Die Hard 2

The Glock is polymer.....and Austrian.

33 posted on 05/15/2006 8:44:10 AM PDT by edpc
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To: ClearCase_guy
When a government agent willfully violates the law, and then persecutes a business for the action performed by the government agent . . .

Something about this story doesn't ring true, since (as you pointed out) this would be the height of idiocy even by New York City standards.

I'm wondering if the facts as presented by 1010 WINS are accurate.

34 posted on 05/15/2006 8:44:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: edpc

Some Glock models are made in...Georgia.


35 posted on 05/15/2006 8:45:24 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: neverdem

When you buy the gun, doesnt one sign that you aree purchasing it for yourself. So what these agents did was illegal by signing under penalty of law that they were purchasing it for themselves. Whay arent the agents in trouble for lieing on a federal form????


36 posted on 05/15/2006 8:46:48 AM PDT by hoosierboy (I am not a gun nut, I am a firearm enthusiast)
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To: MeanWestTexan
I want the police in Georgia to charge Mayor Bloomberg, et al, with some Georgia felony. Conspiracy to violate gun laws or somesuch.

Absolutely! As Ann Coulter has pointed out Liberals will only stop abusing the legal system when it is used against them. 20 years of bogus Special Prosecutor malfesence came to an end after the Clinton Whitewater scandal. This is exactly what needs to be done. New York still thinks it is "first among states". Perhaps the Governor of Ohio should stop every car leaving the state w/ NY Tags and search them guns. Other states need to push back at Bloomberg hard.

Let us not forget Bloomberg is a Republican, just like his Rudy. Niether is trustworthy.

37 posted on 05/15/2006 8:50:48 AM PDT by Jack Black
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Seems like the Bloomberg administration would be better off using their resources on tracking down the criminals, instead of law-abiding businesses that sell guns.
38 posted on 05/15/2006 8:51:12 AM PDT by excalibur1701
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To: durasell

Yes....and some Berettas are made in my homestate. They're still Italian.


39 posted on 05/15/2006 8:52:50 AM PDT by edpc
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To: neverdem

In other news, Federal U.S. Attorneys for Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia charged several New York private investigators for 15 counts of straw man sales of firearms. The P.I.s posed as legal purchasers and then turned over the firearms to felons. One felon purports to be mayor of NYC.


40 posted on 05/15/2006 8:54:04 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: edpc

That quote is too funny. I guess that I miss a lot of humor by not watching movies.


41 posted on 05/15/2006 8:54:40 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: edcoil

"How is this the stores problem? It sounds like the store did its job. What, are we now going to go after WalMart when some buys aspirin for themselves but passes some out on a camping trip?"

Ya, e.g., you buy a jar of peanut butter at Wally World. Your neighbor kid comes over and has a reaction and dies.

Since your net worth is only $7.23, they will sue W-M for a $trillion for selling you this horrible poison.


42 posted on 05/15/2006 8:56:08 AM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental illness!)
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To: neverdem
Why doesn't he sue the FBI, which gave explicit "proceed" instructions in every single one of the transactions?
43 posted on 05/15/2006 8:57:21 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: durasell

I am sure Georgia could find a cell for him.

A crime is a crime.

Charge all the NYers involved in this conspiracy to violate Georgia (et al) law.

I GUARANTEE there is a sheriff in one of these jurisdictions who will write out the arrest warrant.


44 posted on 05/15/2006 8:57:25 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: neverdem

At least two people had to be involved in each transaction. The buyer for his actions and the person who was not allowed to own a firearm but received on from the buyer. Prosecutors should be very busy for a while.


45 posted on 05/15/2006 8:57:40 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: MeanWestTexan

This is one of those "gotta find an issue" issues.

The economy in NYC is booming, crime is down to historic lows, the tax break has put a ton of money into circulation, even the artists are more or less behaving...etc. etc.

So, now we have to import our issues.


46 posted on 05/15/2006 9:00:08 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: FreePaul
Shhhhhh.....don't tell anyone. I actually own a "porcelain" gun. I use it a lot.


47 posted on 05/15/2006 9:00:26 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc
This is series investigative work!

Yes...and a hugh story.

Well I, for one, am stuned!

48 posted on 05/15/2006 9:00:37 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did not prepare properly.)
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To: durasell

Hopefully we can export your mayor and all those involved into a small town southern prison cell.

Generally no A/C. Be fun in the summer.

I am serious about this --- unless authorized by local/state authorities, this "sting" violated a whole host of local laws.

Those that set it in motion are just a guilty as the purchaser.


49 posted on 05/15/2006 9:03:38 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: neverdem
The city is suing gun dealers in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia

I would think the state of NY should be able to muzzle one of it's cities. At the same time, the state governments of Ga,Oh,Pn,SC,and Va better protect some of their businesses against predation from another state.

50 posted on 05/15/2006 9:04:20 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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