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Iran to require oil payments in euros [While you were away,...]
United Press International ^ | 15MAY06 | United Press International

Posted on 05/16/2006 3:09:54 AM PDT by familyop

TEHRAN, May 15 (UPI) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced Friday that in July Iran will abandon dollar payments for its oil and natural gas exports in favor of euros.

The move comes amid a standoff between Tehran and Washington over Iran's nuclear fuel enrichment program. The Bush administration insists the program is cover for a nuclear weapons program, a charge that Iran denies.

All current international oil transactions on the New York Mercantile Exchange and London's International Petroleum Exchange are priced in dollars.

Middleeastforex.com reported May 13 that Ahmadinejad announced the change Friday during a visit to Baku, Azerbaijan.

Many political observers see the decision as an attempt to pressure Washington, which is attempting to line up other U.N. Security Council members to act against Iran for its nuclear policies.

Iran has also proposed establishing a euro-based Iranian oil bourse to compete with NYMEX and the IPE. The proposal was first put forward in the beginning of the Third Development Plan (2000-2005), and began to receive serious attention in 2005.

Some observers speculate that the Iranian switch to euros could negatively affect the dollar, as many central banks from oil importing nations could choose to stock up their currency reserves with euros rather than dollars.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banks; blackmail; bourse; euros; iran; iranian; nuclear; oil; on; terror; war; weapons
How many of you really know the significance of the above and other related events?
1 posted on 05/16/2006 3:09:57 AM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop
it's double edged. driving the dollar down is the main goal. driving the euro higher leaves the continent unable to compete. it is significant
2 posted on 05/16/2006 3:15:01 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: familyop

If this is going to be a trend (i.e. in Venezuela and elsewhere) the US have a severe problem.


3 posted on 05/16/2006 3:16:15 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
opec won't go for it(not yet).europe will get hit the worst
4 posted on 05/16/2006 3:21:42 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
it's double edged. driving the dollar down is the main goal. driving the euro higher leaves the continent unable to compete. it is significant

I understand the main point, but not the intricacies, I suppose. Who benefits from this? China and the yuan?

5 posted on 05/16/2006 3:29:25 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc
anyone who hates "western culture". the dollar and euro are highly traded. china doesn't necessarily win because the respective economies (dollar/euro based) are teetering. muslims bent on destruction sitting on top of oil are the only ones who temporarily benefit here.
6 posted on 05/16/2006 3:37:16 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

I don't know much but tend to agree. The euro currency countries need a gradual lowering of the euro in order to adjust and continue to export enough products for stability. A rapid, though temporary rise in the euro value will hurt producers in those countries to least a small extent.

We need to do the same with gradually lowering our dollar relative to other currencies (the yuan, for one). Although my hardly educated guess is toward a small bump downward, we'll can have a much easier ride than the euro folks (given that no idiotic panic or other significant economic event occurs).


7 posted on 05/16/2006 3:50:31 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: kinoxi
opec won't go for it(not yet).europe will get hit the worst

Nope.

If a currency of a nation is used outside out its boarders in big dimensions for store of value or transactions so this poses especially unter the aspect of growing seignorage-profits but also because of the security of exchange rates and smaller transaction-rates a great advantage over other nations.

Beside of this the influence of a nation whose currency is used as a "key currency" is growing in the relevant circles (IWF, G20, G8, etc.).

The benefit for the EU will be much higher than the costs if they manage to push down the dollar as the #1 currency on this planet.

8 posted on 05/16/2006 3:50:36 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Alia
Euro and dollar adjustment ping.


9 posted on 05/16/2006 3:51:49 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: kinoxi

if the dollar collapses (oil and gas trade in euro is a nice try on that) both of our economies went down in flames but I cannot imagine our central banks will let that happen.

It hurts though.


10 posted on 05/16/2006 3:59:42 AM PDT by globalheater (There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare - Sun Tzu)
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To: familyop

Saddam tried to shift the bourse to Euros too.

I would guess Iran is trying to get France, Germany on its side? And to try to slide all other Oil-producers (apart from Britain and Canada) away from dollars?


11 posted on 05/16/2006 4:01:14 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Atlantic Bridge

are you serious ?

We (D) are an exporting nation and a big client of ours still is the US - a quite reliable and political benign partner compared to russia, iran, india and china btw.

Brasil is ok though ;)

We can kiss our economy good night if we can't sell volkswagens and daimlers in the US.

They cough - we get H5N1.



12 posted on 05/16/2006 4:03:59 AM PDT by globalheater (There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare - Sun Tzu)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
It may prompt the government to reduce spending and repatriat some of our foreign debt.

Probably a forlorn hope.

13 posted on 05/16/2006 4:04:17 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: familyop
This is a two sided issue. If Iran converts to EURO in July 2006, while the US dollar is low, as it is now and the US dollar rises then Iran will lose when the EURO rate drops.
14 posted on 05/16/2006 4:04:37 AM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: agere_contra

they must be mad they think we are on their side just because they use our currency. An atomic WWIII is just a too big price paid for questionable valuta deals.


15 posted on 05/16/2006 4:05:12 AM PDT by globalheater (There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare - Sun Tzu)
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To: familyop

Frankly I don't believe Iran makes even a slight dent in the use of the dollar world wide. The total value of oil trade is small relative to all other trade.


16 posted on 05/16/2006 4:05:19 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: SR 50

lol the $ will fall and be very hard to catch once a remarkble ammount of oil deals will be taken away from the greenback.

Checked the price of gold lately ? You think that's a strong dollar you smell ? The new geenspann now whatshisname (something german sounding) can rise interest all he wants the $ keeps falling at the moment. Add this to that, count in the trade gap and the covered inflation in the US and europe, let that be an initial explosion for the overheated real estate market...

Wait a minute i got to sell stocks ;-)

...good side effect might be that oil get's cheaper in the end.


17 posted on 05/16/2006 4:12:02 AM PDT by globalheater (There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare - Sun Tzu)
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To: globalheater
lol the $ will fall and be very hard to catch once a remarkble ammount of oil deals will be taken away from the greenback. Checked the price of gold lately ? You think that's a strong dollar you smell ? The new geenspann now whatshisname (something german sounding) can rise interest all he wants the $ keeps falling at the moment.

You need to read #16. The currency passed to oil producers is minescule (couple hundred billion per year) compared to forex volume (2 trillion a day). Both of those though dwarf the transactions in gold: a great store of value, but much too rare to use as currency.

18 posted on 05/16/2006 4:21:27 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
If a currency of a nation is used outside out its boarders in big dimensions for store of value or transactions so this poses especially unter the aspect of growing seignorage-profits but also because of the security of exchange rates and smaller transaction-rates a great advantage over other nations.

Translation? My view is the carry trade, rate swaps and arbitrage are so dominant that being the #1 currency doesn't pay as much as it used to. Most dollars being held in reserves are not there to serve as currency, they are there because economic policy is currently to loan money to Americans so they can buy imported crap. That will end and the so will the collecting of all those dollars.

19 posted on 05/16/2006 4:25:09 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: familyop

I thought the 'EU' was demanding Iran quit their uranium enrichment and now Iran wants to get paid in 'euros'? What happens if the EU refuses?


20 posted on 05/16/2006 4:26:26 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: familyop

They do this they are signing their own death warrant.


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21 posted on 05/16/2006 4:27:34 AM PDT by Perdogg (Durham - The San Francisco of North Carolina)
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To: familyop
If anything like this should happen, which it won't, the US should tell the UN "sorry we don't buy or deal in EUROs, so forget any further US funds".
22 posted on 05/16/2006 4:40:09 AM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: familyop

Thank you for the ping (I'll be here soon).


23 posted on 05/16/2006 4:51:57 AM PDT by Alia
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To: familyop

The dollar's already affected and nobody's going to help Uncle Sam. We shouldn't be surprised.


24 posted on 05/16/2006 4:52:23 AM PDT by hershey
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To: kinoxi
It's significant only in that it ignores "direct foreign" investments. See, the US has many interests, so to speak, in Europe.

Iran thinks it'll run the exchange markets? lol.

Iran is cornered.

25 posted on 05/16/2006 5:31:15 AM PDT by Alia
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To: agere_contra
I think your supposition about what Iran is up to is correct.

Still, it just shows that Iran hasn't yet entered the big world of "economics" -- as in, "thinking" this won't be balanced and countered by free market capitalism.

26 posted on 05/16/2006 5:32:42 AM PDT by Alia
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To: hershey

Iran exports oil to Europe, so it makes sense for them to trade in Euros. I don't think it means a thing in toto. Europe was going to buy their oil from Iran whether in dollars or euros. The value of the dollar is not determined by Iranian oil shipments. The dollar trades on our competitiveness relative to other currencies/economies. The European economy is stillborn and the Iranian economy barely registers worldwide.


27 posted on 05/16/2006 5:32:47 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: SR 50
This is a two sided issue. If Iran converts to EURO in July 2006, while the US dollar is low, as it is now and the US dollar rises then Iran will lose when the EURO rate drops.

BINGO.

28 posted on 05/16/2006 5:33:20 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Perdogg
They do this they are signing their own death warrant.

Exactly.

And besides, Iran is a Terrorist State, last I heard. And ya just know all those same countries found "guilty" in the Oil4Food Scam are just pining to be included in another scam.. eh? :)

29 posted on 05/16/2006 5:34:52 AM PDT by Alia
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To: familyop

The total value of all oil transactions (each day) is less than 1% of the total value of US currency transactions (each day.)

Iran moving to the Euro will have no effect whatsoever. The entire oil market shifting would have very little impact as well.


30 posted on 05/16/2006 5:36:41 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: hershey
spoke to a trader in singapore few minutes ago -

dollar is under attack tonite here in asia -

31 posted on 05/16/2006 5:52:43 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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