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Nation of Fear (barfer)
Washington Post ^ | 5/16/06 | Eugene Robinson

Posted on 05/16/2006 10:44:15 AM PDT by blitzgig

There's little comfort in the latest polls on the revelation that the National Security Agency, on orders from George W. Bush, is compiling a permanent record of Americans' telephone calls. True, the new surveys by Newsweek and USA Today-Gallup are more encouraging than the Post-ABC News poll last week in which 63 percent said sure, no problem, go ahead and rummage through my life. But even the new polls say that four out of every 10 citizens are ready to surrender privacy and due process without so much as a whimper of protest.

That is just stunning. What the hell is going on?

After all, this is a nation that has always balked at the idea of any kind of national identification card, which other countries don't mind at all. This is a nation that refuses to require meaningful controls on firearms, accepting more than 30,000 deaths a year as the price we have to pay for privacy and freedom. You'd think news that the government is keeping track of all of our phone conversations would spark thundering outrage from sea to shining sea.

But it hasn't, and I think the reason is that the normally sunny, optimistic American mood has been adulterated by alien emotions that we don't handle very well -- fear, insecurity, resentment. It's as if the whole nation needs to be on Xanax. Or already is.

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TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: eugenerobinson; homelandsecurity; liberals; nsa; phonerecords; spying; terrorism
Ah yes, the unwashed masses are so stupid they don't know when to be outraged. How dare they voice their approval of that awful NSA activity?

Liberals like this writer are so clueless about the threats we face. Robinson doesn't even address them in this article. He just rants mindlessly and self-righteously, and laments how we ignorant and paranoid Americans don't share his immaculate views.

1 posted on 05/16/2006 10:44:17 AM PDT by blitzgig
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To: blitzgig
Local paper (aka=union newsletter) has this guy's column regularly.

He just rants mindlessly and self-righteously, and laments how we ignorant and paranoid Americans don't share his immaculate views.

Pretty much standard OP for him.

2 posted on 05/16/2006 10:47:57 AM PDT by digger48
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To: blitzgig

That, and he's a racist, to boot.


3 posted on 05/16/2006 10:48:21 AM PDT by digger48
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To: blitzgig

Pure projection. The ignorant one here is the Wash Poop Author. He doesn't even know what the program actually does but spends all his time ranting at us who DO know what is going on for being "too stupid" to embrace his mindless political hysteria


4 posted on 05/16/2006 10:48:53 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Real Leaders lead. Political Prostitutes cite polls and pander)
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To: blitzgig
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin
5 posted on 05/16/2006 10:49:03 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: blitzgig
That is just stunning. What the hell is going on?

What's going on is that unlike WaPo opinionmakers, the rest of us don't live in gated communities, or work in offices with round-the-clock security, or move in circles where people have security guards and limos.

What's going on is the terrorists strike the unguarded, those who don't spend their days sitting comfortably under the protection of our military while denouncing them daily, and we are the true targets, not those who rub shoulders with congresscritters and others who are protected around the clock.

What's going on is that we understand, like our President, that we are in a war, not just a political scuffle meant to make the other guy look bad because of his views on abortion.

What's going on is...we don't care what you people think anymore, we can get information and draw our own conclusions, thanks.

6 posted on 05/16/2006 10:49:38 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Real Conservatives don't sit home on election day)
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To: blitzgig
Are they as concerned about 'telemarketers' who buy - EVERYDAY - personal info. . .buying/eating/car riding/children/age related. . .income and medical related info re those who raise the 'privacy concerns' as well as the 'rest of America'?

Someone tell these idiots to 'get real'. . .- these fools who would if they could no doubt. . .

Bottom line. . .the government is far less invasive than 'world marketing'. . .and has better reasons to 'look'. . .

7 posted on 05/16/2006 10:50:23 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal-free. . .or suffer the consequences)
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To: blitzgig
What the hell is going on here?

No mention of Echelon?

No mention of Carnivore?

8 posted on 05/16/2006 10:51:24 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: blitzgig
fear, insecurity, resentment.

Just the standard format for the nightly news, or the DNC.

And the way the NSA is using these records is not as scary as the "Drug War" uses such records have been accessed for in times past.
9 posted on 05/16/2006 10:51:40 AM PDT by P-40
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To: blitzgig
This is a nation that refuses to require meaningful controls on firearms, accepting more than 30,000 deaths a year as the price we have to pay for privacy and freedom

What a COMPLETE ASSCLOWN.

10 posted on 05/16/2006 10:53:15 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: blitzgig

Eugene is a nitwit, on his best day.


11 posted on 05/16/2006 10:53:59 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Realism
Benjamin Franklin did not mean for our Government to protect terrorists who wantonly kill. . .

. . .if you lie down with dogs. . .you get fleas. . .

There are consequences to fraternizing with an enemy. . .this check/verify program offers no more/no less. . .

12 posted on 05/16/2006 10:54:37 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal-free. . .or suffer the consequences)
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To: blitzgig

This idiot wants a National ID card. What a hypocrite and a phony.


13 posted on 05/16/2006 11:02:11 AM PDT by D-Chivas
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To: cricket

I know exactly what he meant. Spinning it into any meaning that suits your needs at any given point in time is what makes the Constitution "a living document".


14 posted on 05/16/2006 11:06:43 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: D-Chivas
This idiot wants a National ID card

We already have one, don't we?

It's called a Social Security Card.

15 posted on 05/16/2006 11:07:55 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: onyx

BUMP


16 posted on 05/16/2006 12:29:39 PM PDT by blitzgig
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To: Puppage
Except that the Social Security Card says "not to be used for identification" right on it.

-PJ

17 posted on 05/16/2006 12:32:08 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: blitzgig; Peach; ohioWfan; Howlin

Good catch!
Thanks for the ping.

It's always helpful to see inside the twisted mind of a typical journalist.


18 posted on 05/16/2006 12:32:10 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: onyx


Democrats were okay with Eschelon and Carnivore which captured every phone call, every e-mail, every baby monitor (!), every ATM transaction and more, and that program is okay, pre war on terror, but this program isn't okay.

Eschelon and Carnivore information:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543118/posts?page=1#1

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1542838/posts

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543318/posts

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21387

Oops - Clinton's NSA spying program accidentally (ahem) captured a Republican's phone calls.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1553101/posts?page=1

And just for kicks, the Commies insisted on FISA:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21453

Flashback: Gore planned to bug America:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1559386/posts

NYT called domestic surveillance a necessity when Clinton was president:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1556815/posts

This is the December 2005 NYT article which says what today's USA Today article says regarding NSA collecting phone numbers.

Clearly, Democrats (and some RINOs) have manufactured their outrage over this already reported on program. LOL

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/24/politics/24spy.html?ei=5090&en=016edb46b79bde83&ex=1293080400&pagewanted=print



19 posted on 05/16/2006 12:34:23 PM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Puppage

Passports serve the same purpose quite nicely. Nobody's ever questioned mine.


20 posted on 05/16/2006 12:35:37 PM PDT by rightwinggoth
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To: blitzgig
After all, this is a nation that has always balked at the idea of any kind of national identification card, which other countries don't mind at all. This is a nation that refuses to require meaningful controls on firearms, accepting more than 30,000 deaths a year as the price we have to pay for privacy and freedom.

Many citizens (particularly in the old-media elite) say sure, no problem, go ahead and set up yahr-pehpahs-pliz check points for the disarmed peasants.

That is just stunning. What the hell is going on?

22 posted on 05/16/2006 12:41:05 PM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Realism
Those who would give up essential Liberty, . .

Please tell me of the liberties given up.

23 posted on 05/16/2006 3:31:06 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: Realism
I know exactly what he meant. Spinning it into any meaning that suits your needs at any given point in time is what makes the Constitution "a living document".

Are you referring to Ben Franklin or someone else?

24 posted on 05/16/2006 3:49:37 PM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal-free. . .or suffer the consequences)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Not anymore.


25 posted on 05/16/2006 7:44:44 PM PDT by sig226
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To: blitzgig
After all, this is a nation that has always balked at the idea of any kind of national identification card, which other countries don't mind at all.

A national ID card is already being implemented, it's just piggybacked on the state cards for now.

This is a nation that refuses to require meaningful controls on firearms,

Unless you live in Chicago, Maryland, parts of California

But it hasn't, and I think the reason is that the normally sunny, optimistic American mood has been adulterated by alien emotions that we don't handle very well -- fear, insecurity, resentment.

Encouraged by the government and liberals alike. Whether it's the stupid Ready.gov bullstuff billboards the feds put up, or the other nanny state crap (Operation TIPS, etc.).

Fear is good the for government, it allows them to expand their size, and Congress sure does love the pork, no matter what the final cost may actually be.
26 posted on 05/17/2006 11:24:51 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: cricket

I find it a bit ironic that this column appears in the Washington Post's online edition. In order to access the column, you have to register. Just for giggles, I read through the privacy policy for gems such as this: "When you are on an area of washingtonpost.com and are asked for personally identifiable information, you are providing that information to The Washington Post Company, its divisions or affiliates, or vendors providing contractual services for washingtonpost.com (such as hosting vendors and list managers)." So the horror at the invasion of privacy seems a bit hypocritical.


27 posted on 05/17/2006 11:35:26 AM PDT by GraceCoolidge
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To: GraceCoolidge
"When you are on an area of washingtonpost.com and are asked for personally identifiable information, you are providing that information to The Washington Post Company, its divisions or affiliates, or vendors providing contractual services for washingtonpost.com (such as hosting vendors and list managers)."

. . .no question re the hypocrisy. . .which informs us that privacy is not the 'dog they are really hunting' here.

Waiting, waiting for some astute interviewer to bring this to a Libs attention. . .WaPo being a perfect example and from their 'own house' so to speak.

Perhaps Hannity could ask a Lib when he attacks Bush over this issue, if they happen to subscribe to ANY of those in-house discount cards/plastic keys etc. that customers have, which in turn gives them the additional discount at their grocery. . .book store. . .movie theater. . .gas station; by which their life, is thus recorded for marketing purposes. . .

. . .and since many are designed to be attached to key chain. . .perhaps just on a 'bet'. . .ask to see their 'key chain'. . .

. . .or just quote how many millions of American's do subscribe to these offerings. . .thus sacrificing more privacy than anything NSA is doing on their behalf.

In any event, surely a LOL on those who protest too much. . .and who do take issue where real privacy is being 'given up' for a discount card. . .and as well the fact that their mortgage/credit history/legal history can be located in a few moments on the internet. . .and as well, a fine satellite image of their home and back yard. . .all wih just a few clicks. . .

28 posted on 05/17/2006 2:54:49 PM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal-free. . .or suffer the consequences)
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