Posted on 05/16/2006 10:46:11 AM PDT by Antoninus
Kean and Menendez "Perfect Together" On Broken Border Crisis In Advance of Bush Speech to Nation
(Ridgewood, May 15, 2006) - John Ginty, the conservative candidate in this year's Republican U.S. Senate primary election in New Jersey, challenged liberal candidate Tom Kean, Jr. to a wide-ranging debate on border security and the uncontrolled flow of illegal aliens from around the world into American territory.
In an email sent to the Kean campaign and in advance of tonight's speech by President Bush about the worsening border crisis, Ginty said, "Republican voters deserve to question the candidates for the U.S. Senate nomination about the candidates' views and platforms concerning the border crisis, as well as other issues. I am willing to defend my public position favoring the construction of a 700-mile security fence on the southern border and the imposition of an immediate program to eliminate the illegal flow of unauthorized persons over this Nation's sovereign borders."
Ginty continued, "You should be willing to publicly defend your positions in favor of a massive 'guest-worker' program, an amnesty program for the 12 to 24 million illegal aliens already in the country, as well as your stated opposition to the border security fence. I am ready to debate you on these and other matters at any place and time chosen by you or a third party debate sponsor."
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, speaking on "Meet the Press" yesterday, said that the amnesty component in the Senate "immigration reform" bill favored by some U.S. senators and by Tom Kean Jr., together with family unification provisions, could allow as many as 50 million people to be put on the path to U.S. citizenship over the next several years. While Kean has denied that he favors amnesty, Ginty says that any allowance for an illegal alien to remain in the country without first having to return to his home country is by definition an amnesty policy.
On the president's speech tonight, Ginty said, "The American people are waiting for real, effective action to secure this country's borders. Spin or half-measures offered to soften conservative opposition to major components of the Senate bill will not pass muster."
John Ginty will get my support in the primary election.
This is what primaries are for. To find the strongest candidate to face the ultra leftist of the Democrats.
How is Ginty's fundraising compared to Kean's?
I don't want to vote for a RINO. What do the latest polls say about Ginty vs. Kean Jr.? (Not that I believe them, but I'm curious)
Kean Jr.'s response (paraphrased):
"Well, yeah, so my dad always had this nice Mexican guy do our lawn. Last weekend a guatenalan or hondurican served my water at dinner. And the law firm my daddy got me a job at had a nice Mexican janitor who I'd sometimes chat with when sneaking a cigarette. Yes, it is true, I am a smoking-American."
If I get my voter's registration card before the primary, Ginty will get my support.
My wife and I (new residents of NJ) just made the deadline today to register to vote in the primary. Is Ginty making any appearances in the Camden area?
Another question...I noticed that the NJ voter registration form did not ask me to select party affiliation. Does this mean that anyone can vote in the Republican Primary?
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This is what primaries are for.
Amen to that. If we get forced into accepting liberal Kean Jr. as our candidate, we may as well admit that we have a liberal party and a socialist party in NJ. I personally will not accept that, so let's work to give Kean the boot and give Ginty the nod.
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Well, now wait a minute. If Conservatives fail to donate enough, work hard enough, persusade enough people such that this guy wins the nomination, then clearly Kean was the stronger candidate, yes?
This is what primaries are for. To find the strongest candidate. If individuals fail to get their preferred choice nominated, that failure is their own. It's not Kean's.
Ginty can't win, Kean will
The NJGOP is full of RINOs and Liberals, Ginty cant win. Kean will. Don't waste your time, Thats all I am saying.
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This is what primaries are for. To find the strongest candidate. If individuals fail to get their preferred choice nominated, that failure is their own. It's not Kean's.
No, it's to find out which candidate has more support from the party--that doesn't always translate into "stronger." In 2001, Bret Schundler won the primary, but the RINOs in the party failed to support him--and worse, actively worked for his Democrat opponent, Jim McGreevey. I'll never forget that.
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Dude, the party is the voters. If you couldn't get the support of the voters for your guy, why would he deserve the nomination? This failure is yours. It's not Kean's and it's not the GOP's. If you want a guy nominated, work harder for him, donate more money to him and be persuasive to more voters.
The party will support any nominee who wins a primary and is polling strongly. With money. The party isn't going to send money to a candidate who has not demonstrated viability with strong polling.
If Kean is going to be a formidable candidate in the general election, then a candidate that defeats him in the primary will be too. If you want someone, make it happen. If it doesn't happen, the failure is yours, not someone else's.
And the reality here is, you know this to be true.
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Did you actually read my post? Here in NJ, if a conservative wins in the primary, he is promptly abandoned by the liberal party apparatus. That's the way things work here. They tell us that only a liberal Republican can win--and then make sure that happens every time by pulling the rug out from under conservative candidates themselves.
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No, I did read what you wrote, but the disconnect in our thinking is now clear. I was talking about the national party funding candidates for national office. If the nominee is polling well, regardless of ideology, he or she will get funded.
Are you 100% certain the state party abandoned whoever it is you are talking about before any polling data was available? And . . . what was the funding differential from the party on that occasion versus other candidates. I was talking strictly national seats, not state legislature, and looking for purely numerical manifestations of this abandonment.
No. It means we live in a borderline-socialist state with completely corrupt party leadership. Read up on how the NJ GOP sabotaged its own candidate, Bret Schundler back in '01.
With all due respect, you are ignorant of the situation here in Jersey. The leadership of both parties are total scumbags.
As I stated in another thread, I have met the man and I like what he stands for. I will vote for Ginty on June 6th but I have a feeling this is going to be the same as trying to get Lonegan in for Governor.
I can tell you I know of about 15 people that were very impressed with Ginty's views and plan to vote for him as well. Now get those people to tell 15 people each and so on and we may actually get a candidate that we can proundly vote for in November.
So if Kean fails to get the vote of conservatives in the general election, whose fault is that? Is that the voters' fault or Kean's fault for not listening to conservatives?
You want conservatives to vote for RINOs at all costs, but conservative candidates are shunned because it's "their fault" that the RINOs won't support them.
Take your party bootlicking over sound conservative principles argument and shove it.
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So if Kean fails to get the vote of conservatives in the general election, whose fault is that? Is that the voters' fault or Kean's fault for not listening to conservatives?
You want conservatives to vote for RINOs at all costs, but conservative candidates are shunned because it's "their fault" that the RINOs won't support them.
Take your party bootlicking over sound conservative principles argument and shove it.
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As pretty much everyone rational knows, there is only one sound conservative principle to be embraced by those who actually have values, rather than just pay them lip service with arms across chest:
Vote for the rightmost candidate who is viable, and do so in any national office election you are eligible for.
See how easy? See how this is simple and doesn't require an exploration of rocket science? See how such a stalwart expression of core principle defines that which is ethical and moral?
Doing otherwise is a dabbling in Kerryian nuance that reveals an absence of values. You might want to work on that.
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