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To: billbears; Jim Robinson
I've been following your discussion with interest. In this political struggle, I'd think the long term winning strategy is where the effort should be placed. After all, any given politician must, regardless of party, more or less, vote constrained by the populace in his/her district. Thus, changing the minds of the people, via education, via challenging their common assumptions, making them defend the positions of the MSM, via websites like FR etc... HAS to result in positive gain over the long term. We are clearly seeing the younger generation(s) getting more Conservative/Libertarian over time. IMO, This should be the measure of our success. How the Libertarians vote or what the Libertarian party, or any other third party orgs do in a particular cycle is, it seems to me, somewhat of a secondary concern. However, speaking of which, in the short term, an organization that has recently greatly helped our cause, IMO, is the Club For Growth, which has given Conservatives/Libertarians a resource to elect politicians (like Tom Coburn) who don't try to 'triangulate' and ‘stay in power’, as it seems to me much of the establishment GOP is geared to do, but instead galvanize the blogosphere and the new Conservative/Libertarian media by leading, rather than being lead, which equals more long term gain. When politicians see that being Conservative/Libertarian results in them staying in power, then we can sit back and watch them fall over each other in their eagerness to reform (reduce) government and restore Constitutionality. :)
41 posted on 05/16/2006 11:43:59 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: traviskicks
Well, like I said, the very best thing we can possibly do for the long term is to make sure we continue replacing liberal activist judges with constitutionalists. Judges are forever.
42 posted on 05/16/2006 11:51:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: traviskicks
I'm mostly a CFG fan myself. But here in IL we have a really serious problem with the State GOP. Our last Republican governor is currently awaiting sentencing on a veritable laundry list of corruption charges.

He was a nasty RINO sort. I'll admit I voted for the pro-gun pro-life Dem (yes there are some. Glen Poshard is his name.) over the pro-abortion, anti-2nd, tax raising Republican. Poshard came within a whisker of defeating Ryan in the General election largely due to his pro-gun and low tax position.

Apparently the IL GOP has learned absolutely nothing from the Ryan debacle and has nominated as their candidate another pro-abortion, anti-2nd, tax raising, pro-illegal candidate. Judy Barr Topinka actually served in Ryans corrupt regime but claims 'no knowledge' of the laundry list of crimes committed during his tenure.

IL conservatives are a long suffering lot, but this is something up with which I will not put. In my district it's an easy choice for the House. Pete Roskam is running for Hydes seat and has his endorsement.

Unfortunately I'm stuck with Durban and Obama as Senators, once again largely due to the complete ineptitude of the IL GOP. I won't have a chance to vote for a Senator for another 2 years, sadly.

What I won't do under any circumstances is vote for a RINO for the US Senate. We've seen in the last few days what havoc even a couple of those beasts can wreak, so I won't be contributing in that regard.

Hopefully the IL GOP will purge itself of the RINOs running the Central Committee in the interim and find a real honest to God conservative to run against Durbin. I'm not sanguine about the possibility, but I suppose there's always hope.

L

43 posted on 05/17/2006 12:08:26 AM PDT by Lurker (Insanity is repeating the same action again and again yet expecting different results.)
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To: traviskicks
"We are clearly seeing the younger generation(s) getting more Conservative/Libertarian over time. IMO, This should be the measure of our success..."

The long term for the United States is limited to the next decade. All democracies end in bankruptcy or hyperinflation whenever the public learns to vote itself benefits. The Gokhale-Smetters Report suggests that we will cross the threshold by the end of the next decade. We can't afford to wait for generational changes to solve this problem.

66 posted on 05/18/2006 8:32:51 AM PDT by Reaganghost (Democrats are living proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.)
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