Skip to comments.Vice President Cheney radio interview - "Guard troops can install a section of fence"
Posted on 05/16/2006 2:52:45 PM PDT by Libloather
Rush Talks with Vice President Cheney
May 16, 2006
RUSH: And once again, we are thrilled and honored to have with us the vice president of the United States, Dick Cheney. Mr. Vice President, welcome back. As always, great to have you here.
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, good afternoon, Rush.
RUSH: All right, question: Is the president -- are you and the president, the administration -- aware of the dissatisfaction on the whole issue of illegal immigration that exists, not just within the Republican base but within the country at large?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Yes we are, Rush. In my travels out around the country I've found for a long time now immigration, illegal immigration in particular, to be a big issue, and it's true no matter part of the country you go to. Of course you find it down along the border of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, but I also was out in the Seattle area the other day and talked to several folks out there, and it was a significant issue up there, too. It takes different forms in different places around the country but it's a tough issue. It's complicated; it's important, and so there are, I think, legitimate concerns out there on the part of a lot of folks.
RUSH: Why do you think so many people -- and I'm just judging from telephone calls I've had and when I make trips to California like you just mentioned, I can't get away from the subject. It's all anybody wants to talk about, particularly in southern California. Why is it that so many people don't think that the steps the president is outlining and has outlined over the years will address the seriousness of the problem?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, I think part of it is that a lot of folks aren't aware of what's already being done. I mean, the president pointed out in his speech for example that since we got into office, we have arrested, turned back, sent back across the border some six million illegals. That's huge number. There's a huge amount of effort that's gone into that. We've had a very significant increase in resources. It's just that the problem is so big, there's still a lot more to be done and to date we've not been successful in getting a comprehensive approach out of the Congress that would allow us to address some of these issues. So we've been doing what we could administratively; we've been doing what we could with appropriations bills but in terms the basic legislation we've still got a ways to go. The House has acted; the Senate has not yet acted, and then of course we'll have to get something out of conference, and what the president did last night was lay out a fairly precise program in terms of what he'd like to see.
RUSH: Well, let's talk about what's going on in the Senate. There are a number of bills there. The compromise bill we're being told is Hagel-Martinez, two Republicans proposing this bill. Robert Rector at Heritage and Senator Sessions, who I know you respect, both did joint analyses of this bill and what they project, using conservative estimates, is anywhere from over the next 20 years 110 to 217 million legal immigrants entering the country and illegals as part of that number being granted legal status. What is the public policy purpose for doing that in these kinds of numbers?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: I haven't seen their analysis, Rush, and at this point, of course, what you have in the House bill is specifically a border-enforcement bill. What you've got in the Senate bill is a bill that goes after border enforcement but also you've got Hagel-Martinez and there's Kennedy-McCain. There are a lot of proposals kicking around. The Senate has not finalized its package yet so we don't know what's going to come out of the conference. Obviously we're going to want to look at it very carefully to make sure it does achieve the objectives the president's talked about.
RUSH: Well, if you haven't seen it, let me give you the bare essentials. Senator Sessions did his own analysis. It's a 614 page bill. I know it's gotta be conferenced, but this is a pretty radical starting point. They have anywhere from 117 to 217 million legal Americans -- that's two-thirds of the population -- over the next 20 years if this bill were to become law and if the president signed it as is. Now, hopefully that --
THE VICE PRESIDENT: These are people who would attain legal status?
RUSH: No, this is a combination of both. This is an increase in the number of legal immigrants as well as added to illegals who would then be made legal over that 20-year time frame and it also allows for exponential growth because these people would be allowed to bring in their family members as well, and one of the big concerns here is the strain this would put on an already stretched social safety welfare net and this sort of thing --
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Mmm-hmm.
RUSH: -- and so these numbers are just striking to me. Add two-thirds of the country's population in 20 years? I don't think we can handle that financially and certainly not in an assimilation way.
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Right. Well, if that's the case I would hope that would inform the debate and that Congress will consider those kinds of impacts very carefully before they finally pass something. We'll certainly weigh in on it.
RUSH: Well, Senator Sessions, I think in floor debate today, spent some time really working the numbers and he thinks most senators aren't even aware of these numbers and he's going to do his best to make them aware during the debate.
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Yeah.
RUSH: So hopefully that's true. Now, let's talk about the National Guard. Six thousand Guardsmen. What's the length of time that it is expected they will be needed?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, the total proposal is to run for one year in terms of using the National Guard, and over that period of time we've added some 3,000 Border Patrol since we got here. We're going to increase that by an additional 6,000. That's a 50% increase in the Border Patrol over where we are today, and the National Guard would be, in effect, to supplement what's there already in terms of the Border Patrol during that period of time while you recruit and train additional Border Patrol officers. That is it's Guardsmen as a temporary measure. Units, it is expected, would go down as part of their regular training rotation, and this would be for up to 6,000 at any one time. The way they'd handle their annual training exercise, would go down in support of the Border Patrol themselves.
RUSH: Let me ask you this on behalf of my audience simply because of a number of e-mails. People don't think that this number of 6,000, which probably will add up to two or 3,000 on duty at any given time, is actually going to make much of an impact. What would you say to them?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, I'd say it's not just about the National Guard. You've already got a large number of folks working down there under the auspices of the Border Patrol. We've got big investments going in now in terms of additional technology, in terms of sensors and aerial vehicles, unmanned aerial vehicles and so forth, as well as fences. One of the very useful things the Guard can do is what they did there in San Diego a few years ago when they installed a section of fence there that's turned out to be very effective -- that particular section has been very effective -- basically was built by Guard troops. So there are a lot of things they could do to support the effort and to beef up the effort that's already underway and I think that's the intention with respect to the Guard. It's not a be-all and end-all of the operation. I think a lot of our folks who sign up for military service don't sign up to go stand on the border for two or three years of active duty. But this is a way to use the resources of the National Guard to support the professionals who are otherwise involved in that activity. We think it makes sense. It's been done before to some extent in the counter-narcotics area. It's not a new concept to have the Guard working the border in support of federal officials.
RUSH: As all of you in the administration discuss the issue and formulate a plan, do you ever, has a wall, an actual wall, ever been given serious consideration?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: It is given serious consideration, not a wall, for example, from ocean to ocean. There are a lot of places out there where it doesn't make sense. There are other places where it does. I'm told -- I'm not an expert in this by any means -- that when you get into built-up urban areas fences -- "security barriers" might be a better word for it -- are in fact an important part of the overall plan and need to be part of it. There are other areas where you've got vast spaces out there where you need other kinds of arrangements. You need roads to be able to patrol. You can use remote cameras; you can use unmanned aerial vehicles. It's partly a matter of getting technology into it as well, too. It's a very complicated problem. We're talking just about one piece of it, just the border security part of it. But you've also got to address, I think, some of the basic economic incentives that attract people in the first place: all those folks who want to come here for the jobs that they can find working in the United States for a lot more than they can make in Mexico or someplace in Central America. We think you've got to address all those aspects and facets of the problem, and where appropriate fences or security barriers make good sense, but I think the experts got to go through and figure out what's the best technique or procedure for each part of the border.
RUSH: Let me ask you a quick political question, two prongs to it. The Dubai Ports deal. The American people spoke out loudly against it: "We don't want any part of it." It got killed. The illegal immigration deal is generating just as much negative response, but the American people are not getting the reaction, the same reaction from government to that that they got on the Dubai Ports deal. A little confused, asking questions: What's different here? We're still talking security. The second thing is, Democrats, Mr. Vice President, frankly, are getting away with being total bystanders and spectators on this. They offer no solution themselves, yet they continue to sit around and criticize the administration and the Republicans over this. Is there a plan to deal with them politically on this?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well! (chuckles) It is a very tough issue. There's no question about it. You mentioned the Dubai Ports deal, Rush. That created a firestorm of controversy, and so Congress quickly backed provisions that would have made it impossible to go forward, and of course the folks at Dubai Ports withdrew their proposal. The fact is that, from the perspective of United Arab Emirates and so forth -- I worked closely with those folks. They have been very good allies of ours, and I don't want to go back and redo the whole Dubai Ports operation. But the fact of the matter is I thought there was a very strong emotional reaction there. I can understand the emotional reaction, but it didn't bear much resemblance to the basic fundamental facts. What we have here... I mean, I suppose there's a difference between trying to govern and solve a major problem which is what the president and those of us who work for him are trying to do, versus the Democrats, in this case, who don't have any responsibilities or at least aren't willing to take any responsibilities, willing to sit on the sidelines and take potshots. This is an important problem for us to deal with. We've got some 11 or 12 million illegals in the country. It is a national security problem. It's also an economic problem. If you could round all those folks up tomorrow and put them back over the border, you'd have a big hole in your workforce. It is not an easy, simple proposition. If it was, it would have been solved a long time ago. It's one of those tough, intractable problems where you're going to make progress three yards and a cloud of dust. We need to get started. We need to get the border secured. That's our top priority. But then we also need to deal with other aspects of the problem.
RUSH: Mr. Vice President, thanks for your time. I wish we had a little bit more but I know you're on a tight schedule and it's thrill whatever time we have with you, whenever. So thanks very much for being with us now, and we look forward to the next time.
THE VICE PRESIDENT: All right, it's good to talk to you, Rush. You render a great service out there by hosting these debates.
RUSH: Thank you, sir, very much.
When I heard that, I almost fell out of my chair. FINALLY!
Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to hire Mexicans to build the fence?
Wouldn't it be cheaper to arrest illegals, and sentence them to 90 days hard labor building the fence before they get deported?
Well, OK, to dress things up a bit. As long as it doesn't get in the way, I mean...
Just a sop.
"Well, I think part of it is that a lot of folks aren't aware of what's already being done"
More aware of what's not being done for 6 years.
"But you've also got to address, I think, some of the basic economic incentives that attract people in the first place: all those folks who want to come here for the jobs that they can find working in the United States for a lot more than they can make in Mexico or someplace in Central America."
Yep, depress American wages to the level of those countries, on the excuse of caring about them. Cheney the Globalist.
Just enforce the border.
We complained about Bush not putting men on the border and not building a wall.
Bush is on record as putting men on the border.
Cheney is on record as wanting fences or walls.
Considering the steps the Administration has taken in the past day, and the reaction to it of certain FReepers, this further step toward their position will make them FURIOUS.
I mean, the president pointed out in his speech for example that since we got into office, we have arrested, turned back, sent back across the border some six million illegals.
So which quote of yours is the truth, Mr Vice President? It can't be both.
Scary...even Cheney is out of touch.
Bush is on record with putting Guard down on the border that will not enforce the law. They cannot apprehend nor carry ammunition.
Cheney is on record with a section of fence, rather than an entire strip of fencing, so what people will do is simply go through the sections not fenced in.
Quit stating they have given what was wanted. They have not.
There are 12 million here...we turned back 6 million...
Why can't both be true?
Illegal aliens are not to be used as a direct means to put dishonest contractors and companies out of business. They are to be used by dishonest contractors and companies to put Americans out of work.
Cheney is on record as wanting fences or walls.
Cheney should have been President. We would be getting real results for America now, IMHO...not the token crap and AMNESTY we are getting from Bush and the Senate. I listened to Bush rationalize the illegals in a press conference with Australia's President today...made me want to puke!!!!
And give them a lottery number for fast track citizenship? No guarantee except for wages earned. Just a shot at fast track citizenship...
Charles Krauthammer said those opposed to allowing the 12 million illegal earn their citizenship need to have their medications adjusted.
Last night Bush said the anti-amnesty crowd are not thinking with their heads, they are thinking with their emotions. Bush has the real logical and reasonable solution to this problem: earned amnesty. He says anyone who breaks into the country and stays for 2-5 years should be allowed to stay here.
Bush's message to conservatives: Dont be sissy women who think with their emotions. Be men who think logically and who use reason. Don't get worked up over this issue, it not that big of a deal. Go back to watching American Idol.
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"How DARE they STEAL our ideas for troops and a wall!" FReepers say
"When they agreed to move towards our position, we knew we had to leave the party" say some Republicans
If NG guys are engineer units I am thinking belts of triple standard concertina fences stewn with tangle foot and landmines.
Just make sure they're all facing north while they're installing the last section.
How is his interpertation less valid then yours?
And, exactly, where was it stated the the nat guard troops will be unable to carry ammunition and unable to detain an illegal?
I dunno, he's probably the most powerful VP ever, and he's the spearhead for the WH dealings with Congress--he has an office in the Capitol, I believe.
One of the reasons Bush hasn't vetoed anything is because of Cheney's negotiations before bills go to the vote.
I think Cheney's great but he's greatly responsible for the way this Administration is.
Why? The simple fact is that the entire Western world needs workers. We don't have enough. Why? Because we have accepted the Nanny State as necessary, because we have accepted the socialist paradigm for human sexuality and the role of the family, and because our low self-interest demands that we suffer as little as possible in our old age.
Immigration is simply something that has to occur in the Western world as it currently is. The Left can't wait for the demographic implosion. The Right tilts at windmills to try to remain in power.
Your comments are clear minded as ever.
I'm willing to give this administration, this administration that is the first in my life time willing to tackle the issue head on, the benefit of working towards a solution.
Ah, yes, but I forget, Rome WAS built in a day.
Pinging you to a transcript of the Vice President's appearance on the Rush Limbaugh radio talk show this morning. :)
They both can be correct; 12 million are here, 6 million sent back
Cheney didn't have much to say about the bills in the Senate - which are awful. And as for a fence - I'm waiting to see one built. I think I'm going to have a long wait, except for a few small stretches suitable for photography.
If ya'll don't mind, I would like to request the the section of fence for Texas be on the Mexican side of the Rio.
"We've got some 11 or 12 million illegals in the country. It is a national security problem. It's also an economic problem. If you could round all those folks up tomorrow and put them back over the border, you'd have a big hole in your workforce."
Ya, a hole in our workforce that would quickly be filled by legal Americans.
These people must think we're idiot's!
Word for today: Subterfuge
And wear an orange jumpsuit while doing it!
Of course it can be both. It not only can be, but is. Illegals have been pouring into this country ever since President Reagan signed the 1986 immigration reform act which provided the first, and so far only, true amnesty to illegal aliens.
The Border Patrol apprehends on average around 1.1 million illegals a year -- actually not necessarily 1.1 million individuals since some of them are captured more than once trying to cross. The 1.1 million is a percentage of the total. The ones that made it in comprise the estimated 11-12 million now in the country.
The President promised 2000 new agents per year for the next five years, yet his budget actually only funds just over 200. This is simply unacceptable.
OMG!!! Once again you have me FOFL!
Geeesh, Mr. VP.
From the President himself and his spokepeople.
From the president stating there would not militarize the border.
From the fact they've stated the Guard will be there to observe and essentially listed the duties the Minutemen already perform.
As far as the "Observations", the observations concerned what people who want a secure border desired. I think as a person who demanded action on this, I am qualified to state that "observation" is not what we desired.
We desired the borders fenced/walled from left to right, and right to left. Not pieces of structure. We demanded that talk of amnesty/guest worker be stalled until they secured the border. Not passed in conjunction with their lame carrots ensuring its unlikely our borders will be secured anymore than they were fom the last legislation two decades ago. We wanted strict eomployer sanctions enforced, we've nothing to suggest that'll occur. If they were serious they'd have done it by now with the laws on the book. So, no, it is WRONG to state we got what we wanted.
Bush and his band of fools should understand that, unlike the Left, we aren't a bunch of drooling morons who will believe anything.
In fact, we tend to view this particular brand of paternalistic nonsense as being fit for slaves and lackeys.
There is nothing "comprehensive" about any of this. But what can be done? We need workers. Millions of them. Between the Sexual Revolution and the glorious Nanny State, we have nowhere to go.
"The simple truth is that we've lost control of our own borders, and no Nation can do that and survive. We ignore America's lost sovereignty at our own peril." Ronald Reagan
Yes, I know.
Cheney is on record as wanting fences or walls
Cheney should have been President. We would be getting real results for America now, IMHO...
Wouldn't this be a tremendous waste of resources -- to put a fence where there is no possibility of coming over the border? There is one thing some people are forgetting -- once a government project gets going, nothing stops it. The fence will be there forever. It will become a bottomless barrel of pork that will never end. Let's fence the most vulnerable and porous parts of the border first, then fill in the gaps where it is really needed. It seems to me that the Administration's approach to the fence is the rational one.
Now to be fair, it was 210.
Money for welfare for able-bodies Americans, but not for the border patrol.
"Wouldn't it be cheaper to arrest illegals, and sentence them to 90 days hard labor building the fence before they get deported?"
I have a better idea. How about for every so many illegals caught coming in at the border; we sentence a corrupt official to hard labor building the fence?(sarcasm)
Heck, it beats sitting out there picking their noses since they won't have any power to actually secure the border.
Any opening will be utilized. Nothing will prevent them, even rough terrain, from coming through the opening. Likely with assistance from the Mexican Government.
Kinda scary that the administration doesn't seem to have done an analysis on what kind of numbers the various guest worker plans will bring into our country.
And to add to Soul Seeker's #11 - W said he was going to put "up to" 6000 NG. That, taken with the rest of his speech, could mean 2.