Posted on 05/16/2006 10:21:38 PM PDT by RWR8189
Americans love to poll, test and otherwise assess themselves.
A news item barely hits the wires before a poll follows indicating Americans' reaction. Applying for a new job? Just fill out this short questionnaire to determine whether you're racist, sexist, homophobic, heterophobic, ageist, height-ist, or a fat-o-phobe.
In that spirit of sensitivity, I submit the following pop quiz to gauge your bias as a news consumer. After reading the following characteristics, please select the college group that most likely fits the description:
The group has a 100 percent college graduation rate. Sixty percent have a 3.0 grade point average or above. During the past four years, 80 percent have made a national honor roll. Members regularly volunteer at more than a dozen community agencies, building houses for the homeless and serving in soup kitchens, while raising more money than any other group for the Katrina Relief Fund.
Answer: (a) Tri-Delta sorority at the University of North Carolina; (b) women's rowing team at Clemson University; (c) synchronized swim team at Harvard University; (d) men's lacrosse team at Duke University.
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Outstanding article.
A given from Kathleen Parker.
Whatever.
I still say that it was a STUPID and juvenile action to hire a stripper and then act like drunken jackasses..I understand the rush to judgement on the rape charges was very premature but come on,people,how can conservatives defend those type of ignorant hijinks?.I thought having some sense of decency and morality was part of the conservative ethic.At least thats how I was raised.
I always thought it was the liberals who excused immorality and debauchery.Guess I made a mistake.
Carefull! I got called a very bad name on this forum for trying to make this point more gently.
I think the adage is: lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
What they did might have been immoral and debaucherous, but if it wasn't illegal, then the government and the media have no right in dragging their names through the mud.
I don't think anyone is defending their behavior, all we can do is condemn such actions in our own families, and choose to associate ourselves with like-minded people.
Are you referring to the accused or the whole team?
Remember, 2 of the indicted, are claiming they left at around the time the stripper got there, they have ATM recipts to prove it, and to top it off, they have a cab driver who remembers them from that night.
That said, stupid isn't always illegal, morals and values are important, but first and foremost, when right is right, we can't always pick the people we like to defend (or even in some cases attack).
I'm still going to wait till all the evidence is in before I actually come up with a solid opinion.
Sidenote: In college, I was at a frat parties where strippers came, I always left, and returned later on after the strippers were gone (or went somewhere else, or went home). I stated my objections, and always left.
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Skip the trial, strippers with long records never lie.....
I agree. Inviting a stripper to one's home is risky; going to a houseful of drunk men to strip is risky. This sort of thing used to bounce people right out of college, never mind a sports team.
Skip the trial, "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply.
Sour grapes because the vice angle is getting such little traction on this forum?
During a slow year in the oil patch I put food on the table by dealing blackjack at a titty bar.
I'm a pretty big guy, and I got to know some of the 'dancers' there, and more than once was the 'boyfriend' for the evening they could point to to scare off some flake.
The dancers there would not do private parties without some guy(s) along for security.
I was asked more than once if I wanted to make $50 to $100 bucks (real good money then) to keep the crowd in line for an hour or so, and if the party was going to be large, there would be more than one of us (and usually more than one dancer). It paid better than the money I made dealing cards on a $2 limit table.
That the individual involved did not have any security present is suspect in itself to me.
Sounds like you didn't do well from a peer review standpont. Or maybe that should be FReer review!
And one of the reasons you don't have security is because you are a complete amateur and also a very good possibility that there is some sex going on as well which would be negotiated after some actual dancing. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. And these charges are seriously, seriously questionable. I would not have been bringing this casae as a DA even if I thought it was true since there was going to be virtually no chance of success with virtually no chance of avoiding completely decimation of the accusers life as well as potential perjury charges.
I am a Tri Delt and more than 60 percent of my chapter had a 3.0 grade point average or above during the 4 years I was in college, and members regularly volunteered at more than a dozen community agencies, building houses for the homeless and serving in soup kitchens AND cancer charities and benefits as well as many others. Many were on the honor roll, but I don't know the percentage.
That thought had crossed my mind as well. The girls who wanted security did not "date" as the euphamism went.
The ones who "dated" did not generally look for a guy to watch their back.
(Even in the most discerning establishments there are those who will do more than 'dance', although the management in our small town's club did not ask them back again for fear of getting a reputation for pimping--which would have been the end of the place.)
when one engages in risky behavior, and the unfortunate happens, my reaction is the same as if the pitcher sent a slow pitch that was knocked out of the park.
both sides engaged in risky behavior. when someone bungee jumps and forgot to tie the cord, who's fault is it?
if anyone is at fault, it is those who showed the bad judgement to engage in this risky behavior in the first place.
does that justify false accusations? no, neither does it justify rape, but at least one of those did occur.
I was telling some at work, the team was stupid. In this day and age, you have to always have in the back of your mind "How could my actions hurt or be used to hurt me?"
Hiring a black stripper to an all white team party is pretty stupid.
I too am familiar with how escort services work (from acquantainces in it). And that they had no "observed" security presence has bothered me from the onset.
It has been reported that the FA (false accuser) was dropped off.
J Bissey (neighbor) reports he witnessed both FA and Kim Roberts exit a car together.
I wondered if the Escort service itself does a "taxi" service for its dancers; and stays "mobile" in the area where private parties are done.
So, the dancers are boring, one of the attendees says "we got a broom you can use to make this more interesting".. and the girls feel disrespected and go to the bathroom to change clothes.
Kim Roberts exits the bathroom, and apparently the house, leaving Crystal (FA) in the bathroom. FA is in the bathroom doing her nails and poss talking on the phone). Exits bathroom, exits house smiling, with one shoe, leaving behind her phone and nails, and falls down and lays there.
One of the attendees helps her to the car and helps put her in the car.
Is the "security" hovering nearby with mobile phone in hand, giving instructions?
Must read ping.
Thanks for the ping; it's good to read something about the Duke students that isn't hateful.
Anyone want to bet on whether there is a civil suit if there is no conviction?
Yes, they were young, stupid, juvenile, and our culture, movies, peers, demand a wild oats, prove your not a nerd, right of passage, celebration from college kid to working stiff.
The difference is they grow past it, unlike the Kennedy's, and Clinton's. to whom it is a way of life. These kids have been through enough without some three ply user giving them more grief for behaving like college kids.
I do bet the renting the dancer thing is over for good and all during these rights of passage after this event.
Yes, it does reek of a scam. The more I dig into it all, the more I see "ugly". This morning, there's a hit piece out on one of the Defendent's mothers. She, OMG, contributed a "whopping $34K" to the Bush Campaign.
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So! Someone is fishing out all the likely targets for the big dollar hit. It has all the lovely trappings of class warfare, too. This is starting to stink like a beach after a red tide in midsummer. It just doesn't get any fishier than that.
I could see this scenario taking place. Good post.
Good one.
I know Durham has been trying to clean up its image. But with this much rot underlying so much -- not only do I fear that Durham will not be able to, I suspect this case and how it has been handled is merely symptiomatic of the deeper rot underlying Durham.
My motto is to "follow the money."
Whatever..........
The only charge more serious in NC is first degree murder. Because I am a conservative, I should say Too bad, so sad, see you in 20 years...IF you survive?
It is more important for some people to make sure the world knows they were baaaaaaaad boys. Priorities, I guess.
It's not that you're wrong, it's just that you're late to the party, so to speak. The morality of drinking and hiring strippers was discussed at leangth months ago, everybody agreed and there's really nothing more to say about it.
As we say at hockey games when the announcer says, "1 minute left in the period": THANK YOU, MR. OBVIOUS!
It reminds me of, as I get older, how funny it is that every generation when it comes of age thinks it's the first one to discover that war is bad and sex is pleasurable.
It's not that it's not true, but would you engage in conversation with someone who walked up to you and said, "The sky is blue, why aren't you talking about it?" ?
Powerful!
:)
I have a feeling one or both may work for one of the many massage parlors in the area.
Tom Cat's on Cole Mill Rd comes to mind, haven't done much with it yet.
(BTW--could the WHITE car have been the main 'ho"?) Instead of PIMP we should be thinking "MADAM"
Shazaam. I hadn't even thought of that.
Some folks might not understand the white versus black car stuff here.
Debates rage over what car(s) were used in this Episode of... as "Durham Rages".
Mark
Who'd a thunk it! College students doing something "STUPID and juvenile!" Sorry, but if doing stupid and juvenile things while in college was a crime, then I'd still be in jail, and I haven't been in college since 1988!
Mark
The Duke Player who carefully put Crystal into the car -- which one was that?
Crystal was zonked already. She'd passed out on the grass. Duke Player helps her up and puts her into Kim's car. What if Crystal had this "flash" moment, looked up at the Duke guy's face, and the top rim of the car door was superimposed below his nose? In a stupor, could Crystal have thought that to be a MOUSTACHE?
And maybe this is the smoking gun Nifong going to use for his "date-rape" drug allegation?
I think this started out as a small badger game to filch some cash off of 'rich white boys' and their daddies for hush money, but it has blown all out of proportion.
At least that is my jaded take.
Now, I might be wrong, she might just be a poor wronged innocent, upstanding in the community, prominent in her church, (etc.), but somehow, I doubt it.
But stupid enough to hire strippers.
Thinking with the big head.
But stupid enough to hire strippers.
Not thinking with the big head.
LOL!!! I knew that had nothing to do with this thread, Since I was posting to you I wanted to get that thought out of my brain before I forgot!!!!(or it might be gone forever)
Ha! Your post fit perfectly inside some stuff I was looking at. The hairs on the back of my neck are definitely raised.
No, it sounds more like a very rude respondent using a name I wouldn't use in front of my children or any polite company. One has to consider the source.
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