Want to ask a Muslim a question about Islam?

05/17/06 | Son Of The Godfather

[Son Of The Godfather]

Ok friends,

It seems I've irked a Muslim in Britain with one of my postings somewhere. I received quite a scolding via e-mail from a gentleman who is certain the media distorts the truth about Islam, Muslims, etc...

After reading through the rant, I thought it would be a great opportunity to see if I could actually have a dialog about the wonderful "Religion of Peace" (this, after reading about how I'll think differently once they come for me).

Instead of a flame war with him, I'm going to actually see if he has any answers about some things in the Koran (ie: Mo's child bride, kill infidels wherever you find them, etc.) I'll keep it civil for now, as I'm curious how he will resolve some of these issues.

Anyone have questions they want me to include? Are there any websites you can recommend to give me ammo? (there was one that had listed all the evil things in the Koran that I'm trying to find).

Thanks in advance! Son Of The Godfather

[AppyPappy]

You won't win the battle. The Quoran can only be understood by people who speak Arabic. It's their shield of defense when discussing what the Quoran says.

[kx9088]

Ask him why we all can't just "get along"?

[mosaicwolf]

Read the book "The Prophet of Doom."

[Sweetjustusnow]

Good luck on that one.

I would suggest indepth history, but a brainwashed person is seldom able to remove the scales from their eyes.

[theDentist]

How does he explain the Koran urging followers to lie to infidels?

[Sweetjustusnow]

Oh and one more thing. Read the Hadiths.

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

Watch your head, and also carefully inspect all packages before opening them, preferably with an explosives-sniffing K-9!!!

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

You could ask about one of their sects.
Some think the new prophet will be born by a man.
After every bowel movement they examine the results to see if their new prophet has been born.

[Dark Skies]

Ask him if he is willing to consider that the prophet was being mislead by a jinn or even shaitan.

[BlueStateDepression]

I would be willing to bet you are looking for this one.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/

[Mr. K]

Try this one- According to the Koran an 'infidel' is someone who does not believe in God, or Allah or whatever name in your language.

How then do they justify killing 3000 people many of who were undoubtedly Christian and therefore did believe in God.

Why do the religious fanatics classify all non-muslims as 'infidels', even those that DO believe in God.

[no dems]

"Some think the new prophet will be born by a man.
After every bowel movement they examine the results to see if their new prophet has been born."

LOL!! You joke, but these idiots are capable of believing something that crazy.

[CougarGA7]

Here you go. Straight from the Koran. It's all you need to know.

5.51 O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Cristians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people

[tkathy]

They are so brainwashed they are incapable of rational discourse.

[Archon of the East]

Ask him why they embrace the most leftist organizations yet seem to despise what those organizations stand for the most. Seems a bit hypocritical

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

This was explained as I stated it by a Muslim in Algeria.
Truth or a joke?

[Son Of The Godfather]

That's the one!

Thanks for the suggestions everyone (and keep 'em coming).

SOTG

[brownsfan]

Here's one that might get interesting. Direct him to this webpage:

Faithfreedom Challenge

It's a page by a former muslim. On this page he challenges muslims to disprove his assertions that(direct exceprt from the webpage):

I accuse Muhammad of being:

a rapist
a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a ruthless torturer
a terrorist (I have been made victorious through terror)
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a thief and plunderer
a cult leader
a mentally deranged (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, used to think he had sex with his wives when he did not, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies).

If he can successfully challenge the author, the prize is $50,000 USD.

[Doogle]

OK, How come only brainwashed Muslims blow themselves up.
Why don't we hear of MULLAHS blowing themselves up?



Doogle

[Son Of The Godfather]

Man, that's good stuff.

[Gay State Conservative]

Ask him why so many muslim goat herders seem to be interested in "animal husbandry".

[onja]

Are Christians infidels or not? We are Monotheists but they still think we're infidels. Good luck.

[isthisnickcool]

Ask him what's wrong with insurance, beer, TV, masturbation, pictures of animate objects, wearing gold, music and musical instruments and why do they think jews are monkeys.

Honestly, I don't really care what this person says about Islam because unless they are an imam it really does not matter what their response is. Even then who cares? Frankly, you are wasting your time attempting to have a conversation with a robot.

[VRWC_PA]

You could certainly ask him about these quotes. I've seen them (or slight variations of them) in a number of sites devoted to freeing Iran from the mullahs.

DO NOT READ BELOW IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED!

Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom

"The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold."

"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."

"It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other foods their consumption is not forbidden."

"If a man __ God protect him from it! _ fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary."

[hunter112]

Some think the new prophet will be born by a man. After every bowel movement they examine the results to see if their new prophet has been born.

Wow, first time I've heard that one! I guess people with their head up their arse see only s***, but I suppose if one examines one's "output" that carefully, then you can achieve the same result!

[winner3000]

If Jesus and Mohammad are prophets sent by the same God, how come their teaching are diametrically opposite?

The Koran says that Jesus is a prophet. Jesus says he is God and/or son of God. Jesus therefore either truly is God, or he is a blasphemer. He therefore cannot be a prophet. Either way the Koran cannot be true. And if it's not true about this...

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

See my post 17

[halfright]

Ask him if he knows that the 72 virgins are all Helen Thomas clones and ask him if he would like to volunteer.

[brownsfan]

"Frankly, you are wasting your time attempting to have a conversation with a robot."

And there is the problem. I am not racist. I acknowledge that Arabs have, pre-islam, had a thriving culture. But islam is like weeds in a garden, choking out the flowers, slowly, but surely.
The children are raised from the moment of their birth in an environment of distrust, servitude, and hate. By the time they grow to be adults, there simply is no way to deal with them. They have become damaged in a significant, and dangerous way.

[CT]

Go to 'Ask The Imam.'

At first you'll think it is comedy, then realize it is totally serious.

[observer5]

Certainly this:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/comics.htm

[Tokra]

Are Christians infidels or not? We are Monotheists but they still think we're infidels. Good luck

They don't consider us Monotheists because of the Trinity. They think we worship more than one God.

[Tokra]

If a man __ God protect him from it! _ fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution , suicide is necessary."

There - fixed it.

[faq]

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

[Joan Kerrey]

Anyone have questions they want me to include?

Good luck but you're unlikely to get very far. When one lives in a closed society and is indoctrinated from birth there is little chance that logic and rational thought will get through to him.

[kromike]

The headline is a trick question. You're not supposed to ask of or question Islam at all. Your duty is not to ask a question about Islam but rather simply die.

Methinks that Islamofascists and the Enviro-whackos will ultimately team up since they both totally loathe humanity.

[reagan_fanatic]

I've had some interaction with muslims over this very subject - no matter how many facts that come directly from the koran you throw at them, they find a way to wiggle out from under it and usually respond with a personal attack as a way to draw you away from the subject.

I suspect there are a lot of muslims who know exactly what the passages in the koran means, and simply don't care if they discomfort a non-muslim. After all, you're just an unclean infidel, and allah hates you. Really, he does.

[ConservativeChris]

There is a transcript of a lady whose initials are A.C. and whose name rhymes with pan bolter, (I don’t have a picture to post so I wont mention her name) speaking at a university. In this speech a person of Islamic ancestry ask her why is being a Muslim worse than being a Christian? She responds with more testicular fortitude than any man I have seen. (Saying stuff like we don't rape our women for offenses, etc) I did a quick search on Google and couldn’t find it; maybe someone else has a copy of the transcript.

[null and void]

No. I learned all I need to know on 9/11.

I know the tree by its' fruits...

[Remole]

Ask him what he thinks of virtually contemporaneous historical texts (Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, chapter 15, verses 3-11--making reference to the faith affirmation of Christians that goes back to just a couple of years after the death of resurrection of Jesus) that give strong historical evidence that Jesus of Nazareth did in fact die, was buried, and was seen gloriously alive by many hundreds of people.

Ask him why Islam refuses to subject the Koran to historical-critical and literary-critical scrutiny.

Ask him why the Koran affirms certain things about Jesus (e.g., that Jesus never died on the cross), when many texts from earliest Christianity (see above, for example) affirm just the opposite.

[IllumiNaughtyByNature]

And make sure both understand the same definition of the word "is" before you start talking about child brides, killing infidels, etc. ...

[mikemach5]

Ask him why the Koran affirms certain things about Jesus (e.g., that Jesus never died on the cross), when many texts from earliest Christianity (see above, for example) affirm just the opposite.

Not only from earliest Christianity, but eye-witness accounts (Matthew and John) to boot. How can the Koran seriously refute eye witness accounts?

[fortunecookie]

I think the questions you mentioned are a good start. But I'm not hopeful that it will go any further, civilly. You mentioned this:

...this, after reading about how I'll think differently once they come for me...

I think that says it all. Where he's coming from, his ideas. Can there be an open, level playing field at this point? He, from his comments you mentioned, seems to be coming from a point where he feels superior to you because he's a misunderstood Muslim and you're an infidel, almost as though he's toying with you or hoping to convert you. And earning points with his Imam for taking on an infidel. I'd tread lightly.

[mikemach5]

How can the Koran seriously refute eye witness accounts?

Also... there are Roman records from the time in question that state a man named Jesus of Nazareth was crucified (unfortunately, I don't have the source. History Channel or Mysteries of the Bible most likely).

[pgyanke]

You could ask about supercedence... the fact that what comes later in the Koran supercedes what came earlier. In early passages (when Mohammed was a weak warlord), it was consiliatory. In the later passages (when Mad Mo was stronger), it's time to "kill the infidels wherever you find them."

He won't answer truthfully, though, because of Taqqiyah... the practice of lying to infidels.

If you want to have some fun with him, start a faith dialogue. Ask him if he respects your faith. He does? Good. Jesus taught us to call God "Our Father"... your conversation is over at this point--that's blasphemy. Allah is not a father to the Muslims, he is an enslaver.

[dynachrome]

http://www.anti-cair-net.org

Anti -"Council on American-Islamic Relations"
Some good stuff on islamic beliefs, also.

[kanawa]

Tacitus

[definitelynotaliberal]

Ask if Muslims wash the blood off, put on something white and pray after they kill. Killing is important, you have to kill infidels everywhere you find them, especially Jews. In the end times, rocks and trees will speak and say, "There's a Jew behind me. Kill him."

Ask why no Muslims ever help other Muslims ex. Afghanistan, Kosovo, Iraq. Other Muslims just go in to torture and kill. Ask why Sunnis hate Shias. Are they worshipping the Prophet or God? If they're worshipping God, does it matter to whom the Koran was given?

[Psycho_Bunny]

I wouldn't even bother having a discourse with a muslim about their religion for the simple fact that I don't believe islam can be considered an equal to any of the world's living religions.

And that's not hyperbole:  islam is the sole religion which defies the Common Notions of the others.  In this context I'm defining Common Notions as those ideas that are left as common to each religion when their differences are discarded.  For instance, the Golden Rule is voiced in each of the living religions, making it a Common Notion.  

Where lying is roughly "uniformly" considered "self delusion" in eastern religions and "sin" in western religions, it is perfectly acceptable in islam so long as the muslim is lying to a non-muslim.  Murder is not acceptable in any religion except islam, where it is encouraged if the victim is not islamic.  Not only is it encouraged but it's all the better if the muslim is able to use the infidel to their own advantage before the killing.  Although, in all fairness to islam, the victim is supposed to be given the opportunity to repent prior to the murder.

Now, this is not to say that all muslims are bad nor that all Taoists or Christians are good:  there are individuals in every faith who are worthless and evil in every sense of those concepts.  And almost no practitioner of any religion is capable of reaching the ideal goals of their religion: but the highest goals in islam are not absolute:  they are tainted with worldliness.  Seriously, in what other religion is the idea of sex in the afterlife given any serious consideration?  Not only sex but funky monkey sex where a women is reduced to being 1 of 72 sex toys.  

I mean, let's get real here, if you knew a man whose stated goal in life was to have sex with 72 virgins, you would probably consider him a worthless pig of a human being.  Who would want to be friends with a man like that?  His entire life would be devoted to manipulating innocent young girls into bed.  Most people would consider such a man a mentally unbalanced sex predator but in many islamic enclaves, that's part of the reward for a devout life.

Lets face it, there's no reasoning with animals.