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Want to ask a Muslim a question about Islam?
05/17/06 | Son Of The Godfather

Posted on 05/17/2006 6:42:22 AM PDT by Son Of The Godfather

Ok friends,

It seems I've irked a Muslim in Britain with one of my postings somewhere. I received quite a scolding via e-mail from a gentleman who is certain the media distorts the truth about Islam, Muslims, etc...

After reading through the rant, I thought it would be a great opportunity to see if I could actually have a dialog about the wonderful "Religion of Peace" (this, after reading about how I'll think differently once they come for me).

Instead of a flame war with him, I'm going to actually see if he has any answers about some things in the Koran (ie: Mo's child bride, kill infidels wherever you find them, etc.) I'll keep it civil for now, as I'm curious how he will resolve some of these issues.

Anyone have questions they want me to include? Are there any websites you can recommend to give me ammo? (there was one that had listed all the evil things in the Koran that I'm trying to find).

Thanks in advance! Son Of The Godfather


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1 posted on 05/17/2006 6:42:24 AM PDT by Son Of The Godfather
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To: Son Of The Godfather

You won't win the battle. The Quoran can only be understood by people who speak Arabic. It's their shield of defense when discussing what the Quoran says.


2 posted on 05/17/2006 6:43:58 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Ask him why we all can't just "get along"?


3 posted on 05/17/2006 6:44:06 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Read the book "The Prophet of Doom."


4 posted on 05/17/2006 6:44:22 AM PDT by mosaicwolf
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Good luck on that one.

I would suggest indepth history, but a brainwashed person is seldom able to remove the scales from their eyes.


5 posted on 05/17/2006 6:45:19 AM PDT by Sweetjustusnow (Mr. President and Representatives, do your duty to uphold our laws or you are all gone.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather
How does he explain the Koran urging followers to lie to infidels?
6 posted on 05/17/2006 6:46:07 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. 17,400+ snide replies and counting!)
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Oh and one more thing. Read the Hadiths.


7 posted on 05/17/2006 6:46:22 AM PDT by Sweetjustusnow (Mr. President and Representatives, do your duty to uphold our laws or you are all gone.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Watch your head, and also carefully inspect all packages before opening them, preferably with an explosives-sniffing K-9!!!


8 posted on 05/17/2006 6:46:25 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Son Of The Godfather
You could ask about one of their sects.
Some think the new prophet will be born by a man.
After every bowel movement they examine the results to see if their new prophet has been born.
9 posted on 05/17/2006 6:47:05 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Ask him if he is willing to consider that the prophet was being mislead by a jinn or even shaitan.


10 posted on 05/17/2006 6:47:09 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Son Of The Godfather

I would be willing to bet you are looking for this one.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/


11 posted on 05/17/2006 6:47:59 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Try this one- According to the Koran an 'infidel' is someone who does not believe in God, or Allah or whatever name in your language.

How then do they justify killing 3000 people many of who were undoubtedly Christian and therefore did believe in God.

Why do the religious fanatics classify all non-muslims as 'infidels', even those that DO believe in God.


12 posted on 05/17/2006 6:49:36 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

"Some think the new prophet will be born by a man.
After every bowel movement they examine the results to see if their new prophet has been born."

LOL!! You joke, but these idiots are capable of believing something that crazy.


13 posted on 05/17/2006 6:49:40 AM PDT by no dems (A Winning Campaign Theme for a Conservative in '08: "PUTTING AMERICA FIRST")
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To: Son Of The Godfather
Here you go. Straight from the Koran. It's all you need to know.

5.51 O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Cristians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people

14 posted on 05/17/2006 6:49:49 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather

They are so brainwashed they are incapable of rational discourse.


15 posted on 05/17/2006 6:50:46 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather
Ask him why they embrace the most leftist organizations yet seem to despise what those organizations stand for the most. Seems a bit hypocritical
16 posted on 05/17/2006 6:51:40 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: no dems
This was explained as I stated it by a Muslim in Algeria.
Truth or a joke?
17 posted on 05/17/2006 6:51:42 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: BlueStateDepression

That's the one!

Thanks for the suggestions everyone (and keep 'em coming).

SOTG


18 posted on 05/17/2006 6:52:14 AM PDT by Son Of The Godfather
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To: Son Of The Godfather
Here's one that might get interesting. Direct him to this webpage:

Faithfreedom Challenge

It's a page by a former muslim. On this page he challenges muslims to disprove his assertions that(direct exceprt from the webpage):

I accuse Muhammad of being:

a rapist
a pedophile (had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a ruthless torturer
a terrorist (I have been made victorious through terror)
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a thief and plunderer
a cult leader
a mentally deranged (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, used to think he had sex with his wives when he did not, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies).

If he can successfully challenge the author, the prize is $50,000 USD.
19 posted on 05/17/2006 6:52:53 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather

OK, How come only brainwashed Muslims blow themselves up.
Why don't we hear of MULLAHS blowing themselves up?



Doogle


20 posted on 05/17/2006 6:53:48 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: brownsfan

Man, that's good stuff.


21 posted on 05/17/2006 6:53:52 AM PDT by Son Of The Godfather
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Ask him why so many muslim goat herders seem to be interested in "animal husbandry".


22 posted on 05/17/2006 6:54:09 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Are Christians infidels or not? We are Monotheists but they still think we're infidels. Good luck.


23 posted on 05/17/2006 6:55:08 AM PDT by onja ("The government of England is a limited mockery." (France is a complete mockery.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather
Ask him what's wrong with insurance, beer, TV, masturbation, pictures of animate objects, wearing gold, music and musical instruments and why do they think jews are monkeys.

Honestly, I don't really care what this person says about Islam because unless they are an imam it really does not matter what their response is. Even then who cares? Frankly, you are wasting your time attempting to have a conversation with a robot.

24 posted on 05/17/2006 6:56:52 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (What is is about "illegal" you don't understand?)
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To: Son Of The Godfather
You could certainly ask him about these quotes. I've seen them (or slight variations of them) in a number of sites devoted to freeing Iran from the mullahs.

DO NOT READ BELOW IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED!

Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom

"The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold."

"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."

"It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other foods their consumption is not forbidden."

"If a man __ God protect him from it! _ fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary."
25 posted on 05/17/2006 6:59:04 AM PDT by VRWC_PA
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Some think the new prophet will be born by a man. After every bowel movement they examine the results to see if their new prophet has been born.

Wow, first time I've heard that one! I guess people with their head up their arse see only s***, but I suppose if one examines one's "output" that carefully, then you can achieve the same result!

26 posted on 05/17/2006 6:59:07 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: Son Of The Godfather

If Jesus and Mohammad are prophets sent by the same God, how come their teaching are diametrically opposite?

The Koran says that Jesus is a prophet. Jesus says he is God and/or son of God. Jesus therefore either truly is God, or he is a blasphemer. He therefore cannot be a prophet. Either way the Koran cannot be true. And if it's not true about this...


27 posted on 05/17/2006 7:00:23 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: hunter112
See my post 17
28 posted on 05/17/2006 7:00:27 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Ask him if he knows that the 72 virgins are all Helen Thomas clones and ask him if he would like to volunteer.


29 posted on 05/17/2006 7:00:34 AM PDT by halfright (9/11 3,000 Americans MURDERED...MINE the borders! N O W !!! Semper Fi !!)
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To: isthisnickcool

"Frankly, you are wasting your time attempting to have a conversation with a robot."

And there is the problem. I am not racist. I acknowledge that Arabs have, pre-islam, had a thriving culture. But islam is like weeds in a garden, choking out the flowers, slowly, but surely.
The children are raised from the moment of their birth in an environment of distrust, servitude, and hate. By the time they grow to be adults, there simply is no way to deal with them. They have become damaged in a significant, and dangerous way.


30 posted on 05/17/2006 7:01:31 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: AppyPappy
Go to 'Ask The Imam.'

At first you'll think it is comedy, then realize it is totally serious.

31 posted on 05/17/2006 7:02:39 AM PDT by CT
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Certainly this:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/comics.htm


32 posted on 05/17/2006 7:02:58 AM PDT by observer5 ("Better violate the rights of a few, than of all!)
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To: onja
Are Christians infidels or not? We are Monotheists but they still think we're infidels. Good luck

They don't consider us Monotheists because of the Trinity. They think we worship more than one God.

33 posted on 05/17/2006 7:05:25 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: VRWC_PA
If a man __ God protect him from it! _ fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution , suicide is necessary."

There - fixed it.

34 posted on 05/17/2006 7:07:08 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/


35 posted on 05/17/2006 7:07:45 AM PDT by faq
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Anyone have questions they want me to include?

Good luck but you're unlikely to get very far. When one lives in a closed society and is indoctrinated from birth there is little chance that logic and rational thought will get through to him.


36 posted on 05/17/2006 7:08:32 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey (what support is Sinclair giving to a candidate)
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To: Son Of The Godfather
The headline is a trick question. You're not supposed to ask of or question Islam at all. Your duty is not to ask a question about Islam but rather simply die.

Methinks that Islamofascists and the Enviro-whackos will ultimately team up since they both totally loathe humanity.

37 posted on 05/17/2006 7:08:56 AM PDT by kromike
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To: Son Of The Godfather
I've had some interaction with muslims over this very subject - no matter how many facts that come directly from the koran you throw at them, they find a way to wiggle out from under it and usually respond with a personal attack as a way to draw you away from the subject.

I suspect there are a lot of muslims who know exactly what the passages in the koran means, and simply don't care if they discomfort a non-muslim. After all, you're just an unclean infidel, and allah hates you. Really, he does.
38 posted on 05/17/2006 7:09:35 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Support American sovereignty - boycott employers of illegal aliens)
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To: Son Of The Godfather

There is a transcript of a lady whose initials are A.C. and whose name rhymes with pan bolter, (I don’t have a picture to post so I wont mention her name) speaking at a university. In this speech a person of Islamic ancestry ask her why is being a Muslim worse than being a Christian? She responds with more testicular fortitude than any man I have seen. (Saying stuff like we don't rape our women for offenses, etc) I did a quick search on Google and couldn’t find it; maybe someone else has a copy of the transcript.


39 posted on 05/17/2006 7:09:38 AM PDT by ConservativeChris
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To: Son Of The Godfather

No. I learned all I need to know on 9/11.

I know the tree by its' fruits...


40 posted on 05/17/2006 7:10:07 AM PDT by null and void (Islam wasn't hijacked on 9/11. It was exposed.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather
Ask him what he thinks of virtually contemporaneous historical texts (Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, chapter 15, verses 3-11--making reference to the faith affirmation of Christians that goes back to just a couple of years after the death of resurrection of Jesus) that give strong historical evidence that Jesus of Nazareth did in fact die, was buried, and was seen gloriously alive by many hundreds of people.

Ask him why Islam refuses to subject the Koran to historical-critical and literary-critical scrutiny.

Ask him why the Koran affirms certain things about Jesus (e.g., that Jesus never died on the cross), when many texts from earliest Christianity (see above, for example) affirm just the opposite.

41 posted on 05/17/2006 7:11:09 AM PDT by Remole
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To: AppyPappy

And make sure both understand the same definition of the word "is" before you start talking about child brides, killing infidels, etc. ...


42 posted on 05/17/2006 7:13:25 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing)
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To: Remole
Ask him why the Koran affirms certain things about Jesus (e.g., that Jesus never died on the cross), when many texts from earliest Christianity (see above, for example) affirm just the opposite.

Not only from earliest Christianity, but eye-witness accounts (Matthew and John) to boot. How can the Koran seriously refute eye witness accounts?

43 posted on 05/17/2006 7:15:23 AM PDT by mikemach5
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To: Son Of The Godfather
I think the questions you mentioned are a good start. But I'm not hopeful that it will go any further, civilly. You mentioned this:

...this, after reading about how I'll think differently once they come for me...

I think that says it all. Where he's coming from, his ideas. Can there be an open, level playing field at this point? He, from his comments you mentioned, seems to be coming from a point where he feels superior to you because he's a misunderstood Muslim and you're an infidel, almost as though he's toying with you or hoping to convert you. And earning points with his Imam for taking on an infidel. I'd tread lightly.

44 posted on 05/17/2006 7:17:13 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: mikemach5
How can the Koran seriously refute eye witness accounts?

Also... there are Roman records from the time in question that state a man named Jesus of Nazareth was crucified (unfortunately, I don't have the source. History Channel or Mysteries of the Bible most likely).

45 posted on 05/17/2006 7:17:47 AM PDT by mikemach5
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To: Son Of The Godfather
You could ask about supercedence... the fact that what comes later in the Koran supercedes what came earlier. In early passages (when Mohammed was a weak warlord), it was consiliatory. In the later passages (when Mad Mo was stronger), it's time to "kill the infidels wherever you find them."

He won't answer truthfully, though, because of Taqqiyah... the practice of lying to infidels.

If you want to have some fun with him, start a faith dialogue. Ask him if he respects your faith. He does? Good. Jesus taught us to call God "Our Father"... your conversation is over at this point--that's blasphemy. Allah is not a father to the Muslims, he is an enslaver.

46 posted on 05/17/2006 7:21:14 AM PDT by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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To: Son Of The Godfather

http://www.anti-cair-net.org

Anti -"Council on American-Islamic Relations"
Some good stuff on islamic beliefs, also.


47 posted on 05/17/2006 7:23:00 AM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: mikemach5
Tacitus
48 posted on 05/17/2006 7:23:10 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: Son Of The Godfather

Ask if Muslims wash the blood off, put on something white and pray after they kill. Killing is important, you have to kill infidels everywhere you find them, especially Jews. In the end times, rocks and trees will speak and say, "There's a Jew behind me. Kill him."

Ask why no Muslims ever help other Muslims ex. Afghanistan, Kosovo, Iraq. Other Muslims just go in to torture and kill. Ask why Sunnis hate Shias. Are they worshipping the Prophet or God? If they're worshipping God, does it matter to whom the Koran was given?


49 posted on 05/17/2006 7:24:10 AM PDT by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Son Of The Godfather
I wouldn't even bother having a discourse with a muslim about their religion for the simple fact that I don't believe islam can be considered an equal to any of the world's living religions.

And that's not hyperbole:  islam is the sole religion which defies the Common Notions of the others.  In this context I'm defining Common Notions as those ideas that are left as common to each religion when their differences are discarded.  For instance, the Golden Rule is voiced in each of the living religions, making it a Common Notion.  

Where lying is roughly "uniformly" considered "self delusion" in eastern religions and "sin" in western religions, it is perfectly acceptable in islam so long as the muslim is lying to a non-muslim.  Murder is not acceptable in any religion except islam, where it is encouraged if the victim is not islamic.  Not only is it encouraged but it's all the better if the muslim is able to use the infidel to their own advantage before the killing.  Although, in all fairness to islam, the victim is supposed to be given the opportunity to repent prior to the murder.

Now, this is not to say that all muslims are bad nor that all Taoists or Christians are good:  there are individuals in every faith who are worthless and evil in every sense of those concepts.  And almost no practitioner of any religion is capable of reaching the ideal goals of their religion: but the highest goals in islam are not absolute:  they are tainted with worldliness.  Seriously, in what other religion is the idea of sex in the afterlife given any serious consideration?  Not only sex but funky monkey sex where a women is reduced to being 1 of 72 sex toys.  

I mean, let's get real here, if you knew a man whose stated goal in life was to have sex with 72 virgins, you would probably consider him a worthless pig of a human being.  Who would want to be friends with a man like that?  His entire life would be devoted to manipulating innocent young girls into bed.  Most people would consider such a man a mentally unbalanced sex predator but in many islamic enclaves, that's part of the reward for a devout life.

Lets face it, there's no reasoning with animals.

50 posted on 05/17/2006 7:25:46 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ISLAM: The Other Psychosis)
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