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Friendly Fire - If McCain’s going to claim he’s a conservative on guns, then he’s got some...
National Review Online ^ | May 17, 2006 | John R. Lott Jr.

Posted on 05/17/2006 8:55:39 AM PDT by neverdem






Friendly Fire
If McCain’s going to claim he’s a conservative on guns, then he’s got some explaining to do.

By John R. Lott Jr.

With presidential primaries just over two-and-a-half years away, John McCain is moving back towards Republican conservatives. On some issues, from campaign finance to illegal immigration to global warming, he isn’t even trying to convince conservatives that he agrees with them. But he realizes he can’t oppose them on everything. So, on other important issues, such as taxes, abortion, and guns, he’s brandishing his conservative credentials.  

It is quite a contrast to his 2000 presidential campaign, when he openly criticized and needled conservatives. This last Saturday, he even gave a graduation talk at Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University (though, for balance, he will also be addressing this week graduates at New York City’s very left-wing New School).  

Reporters speculated on Meet the Press on Sunday that McCain wants to make amends with conservatives well before he officially announces his candidacy for president next year. So can he convince people he is still sufficiently conservative?  

Let’s consider just one of these issues: McCain’s claimed pro-gun record. This was true a decade ago, but since then, on issues such as regulating gun shows, banning less expensive guns and so-called assault weapons, and requiring gunlocks, McCain has supported central portions of the gun-control agenda. Indeed, in a couple cases, McCain authored the proposed legislation himself.  

McCain’s gun show regulations, instead of simply requiring background checks on sales at gun shows, would make it extremely difficult for gun shows even to function. A special license would be required to operate gun shows. Licenses could be denied without the federal government even having to give a reason, and no time limits would be placed on how long the government had to make its decisions.  

While gun-control groups have tried for years to register the names of gun owners, McCain’s legislation helps accomplish this by effectively requiring the registration of all people who attend a gun show. Gun show operators would even face criminal penalties and imprisonment if any unregistered attendees were to trade a gun after the show subsequent to discussing the gun during the show. The only option to operators would thus be to register everyone.  

McCain acknowledges that these regulations could be abused, but, according to him, the goals are too important to compromise, and McCain assures us that we should trust the regulators. Yet, it was not so long ago that the Clinton administration constantly halted gun sales nationwide as background checks broke down and kept records long after the law explicitly allowed. 

Most troubling are McCain’s extreme measures for what is essentially a non-existent problem. The Bureau of Justice Statistics under Clinton conducted a survey of 18,000 state prison inmates in 1997—the largest survey of inmates ever conducted. Less than one percent of inmates (0.7 percent) who had a gun obtained it from a gun show. The vast majority of criminals—40 percent—say they got their guns either from friends or family, and 39 percent got it on the street or from other illegal sources. 

Of course, like with many gun-control regulations, the call for more regulations rests on distortions. Despite the “gun show loophole” term used by McCain and others, there are no special exemptions for buying a gun at a gun show. Dealers must perform the same background checks as in a store. What gun-control groups refer to is the non-regulated private transfer of guns. Eighteen states regulate the private transfer of handguns, with some having regulations going back more than several decades. However, not surprisingly, just as with the semi-automatic gun bans, there is not a single academic study showing that these regulations reduce any type of violent crime. 

McCain has also done advertisements on behalf of Americans for Gun Safety, a gun-control organization that supports licensing and registering every gun owner in the United States. He has used the ads to greatly exaggerate the risks of children getting access to guns in the home—a claim that is based upon a questionable survey—and asked that people lock up guns. With the threats he claims existed, few would know that in 2002, for example, the number of children under 10 who died from accidental gun shots was 20, and the number of children under 15 was 56. Obviously, one death is too many, but McCain has launched no similar campaign against other much more dangerous items in people’s homes.  

No mention was ever made by McCain about using guns for self-defense or that gunlocks might make it difficult to stop intruders who break into your home. And research indicates that McCain’s push for gunlocks is far more likely to lead to more deaths than it saves. 

Unfortunately, these are not the only misleading advertisements that McCain has made for Americans for Gun Safety. As David Kopel has pointed out, McCain has also made misleading advertisements on an array of other issues, such as the Brady Law and gun shows. 

McCain has helped protect guns owners, such as supporting legislation to protect gun makers from reckless lawsuits, but for McCain to argue this week that he is reliably pro-gun relies on conservatives having very short memories. Possibly the threat of Hillary Clinton being president will convince conservatives to vote for McCain, should he win the nomination. But unless he denounces his past positions, it won’t be because they believe he is a “pro-gun” conservative. 

John R. Lott Jr. is the author of More Guns, Less Crime and The Bias Against Guns.


National Review Online - http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjIwYjQyOGQ4OWNhN2I0Nzc1MTE4NmVmZWRmMGJjMWE=


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: District of Columbia; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; hillary; mccain

1 posted on 05/17/2006 8:55:44 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
McCain, the Manchurian Candidate!
2 posted on 05/17/2006 8:57:05 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: neverdem



He's never been the conservatives darling, but with his McCain/Kennedy Immigration fiasco, he has lost the squishy middle and a good amount of Independents.


3 posted on 05/17/2006 9:01:09 AM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: neverdem

Not Cain nor the GOP define conservativism. This as much in response to this as to some FReeper's rant this AM.

The uninfringed Second Amendment is a fine litmus test for me. Cain is a bit too blue for me. As is the GOP.


4 posted on 05/17/2006 9:02:48 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: neverdem


McCain is a radical conservative for a Frenchman. He'd fit in with the present "conservative" government in France.


5 posted on 05/17/2006 9:08:56 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Goldwater made two huge mistakes.
He did not vet his VP candidate enough, so the dims brought up Engleton had been hospitalized with depression.
The MSM and Democrats screamed the VP candidate was insane!
This was a large reason he lost the election.
The next thing he did was thinking McCain was a conservative and using his power in Arizona to get his senate seat.
6 posted on 05/17/2006 9:12:04 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: neverdem
I rarely see McCain defenders here on FR anymore. It seems that most here are on to him now.

Now, we must work on the Michael Weiner crowd.

7 posted on 05/17/2006 9:21:38 AM PDT by lormand (Michael Weiner, aka Michael Savage - The Al Gore of Conservatism)
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To: neverdem

McCain is no conservative. Period.


8 posted on 05/17/2006 9:56:27 AM PDT by paulcissa (Only YOU can prevent liberalism.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Goldwater made two huge mistakes. He did not vet his VP candidate enough, so the dims brought up Engleton had been hospitalized with depression.

Here's a good reason for not talking to yourself out loud. It applies in an open forum too.

Thomas Eagleton's Mental Health – 1972

Goldwater - Miller

9 posted on 05/17/2006 10:15:15 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: lormand
I rarely see McCain defenders here on FR anymore. It seems that most here are on to him now.

I hope he doesn't get the GOP nomination, but I can't help the dems, no way.

Now, we must work on the Michael Weiner crowd.

Michael Savage, talk radio? What's up with them?

10 posted on 05/17/2006 10:21:58 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
I knew he had been replaced but the MSM and Democrats had poisoned the mind of sheeple who only knew from media that the VP Candidate might be insane.
A lot of people who are able to vote do not know the name of their elected officials.
11 posted on 05/17/2006 10:24:17 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

My thoughts precisely. I would just as soon cast a vote for Chuckie Schumer as for McCain.


12 posted on 05/17/2006 10:24:21 AM PDT by rebelyell
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To: neverdem
"Here's a good reason for not talking to yourself out loud. It applies in an open forum too."
WTF do you mean?
13 posted on 05/17/2006 10:27:42 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: neverdem
NEVER trust a RINO, especially when it comes to guns! Without guns, we'd already be Mexica. Guns are our LAST defense! A snake can shed it's skin; however, McCain can't. Once a snake, always a snake. Who cares what he "says." I care about what he has done, and NOT what he says he will do!
14 posted on 05/17/2006 10:29:44 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987 - President Bush build that wall, NOW! 2006!)
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To: neverdem

McLame panders to the people he wants to support him at the moment. before, it was the RAT media, now it's conservatives. He's spinning like a pinwheel.


15 posted on 05/17/2006 10:30:57 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: onyx
he has lost the squishy middle

What, praytell is the "squishy middle?" LOL

16 posted on 05/17/2006 10:32:23 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987 - President Bush build that wall, NOW! 2006!)
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To: NRA2BFree

LOL -- his most ardent supporters.


17 posted on 05/17/2006 10:33:32 AM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
WTF do you mean?

You made this comment to yourself in comment# 6.

Goldwater made two huge mistakes.
He did not vet his VP candidate enough, so the dims brought up Engleton had been hospitalized with depression.

Don't you read links? Check the links in comment# 9. William E. Miller, who nobody heard of, ran with Barry Goldwater in 1964. "Democratic nominee George S. McGovern's presidential hopes virtually evaporated when it was revealed shortly after the party convention that his newly chosen vice presidential running mate, Missouri U.S. Sen. Thomas F. Eagleton, had been hospitalized on three occasions for depression and had undergone electroshock therapy."

18 posted on 05/17/2006 10:43:41 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

What?


19 posted on 05/17/2006 10:46:00 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: NRA2BFree
NEVER trust a RINO, especially when it comes to guns!

I never will, but what if the powers that be make it McCain vs. Hillary? I'll have to hold my nose once again.

20 posted on 05/17/2006 10:47:14 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
"What's up with them?"

The Weinerette's live in a bi-polar world, just like their leader. To them, if you don't like Der Weiner, then you are a Bush-bot.

21 posted on 05/17/2006 11:06:57 AM PDT by lormand (Democrat Party- Culture of Treason)
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To: neverdem

There was a time when elections were decided by the people. Now they're decided by multinational corporations who own media outlets that can swamp the liberal cities with whatever line will increase the profit margin.
We had an election here in Oregon yesterday. A large school district had a bond measure up for approval. But here such measures require a "super majority" to pass. That is, not only must the measure get over 50% of the vote but at least 50% of eligible voters must cast their ballots. The turnout was only about 41% and the measure failed.
I look ahead and try to see the possible choices I might have in November and again in two more years and I consider not even voting.
Time after time we're presented with a choice between Frick and Frack, between Tweedledum and Tweedledummer, between bad and worse. We step into the voting booth, holding our noses and vote for "the lesser of the two evils" knowing full well both are evil.
I don't think I want to play the game anymore. Regardless of my choice, it turns out to be bad. Even a lowly rat, chased through a maze expects a piece of cheese for his effors. Deny him his reward and he'll never even enter the maze. We must be dumber than that rat, 'cause we keep going back into the booth, going through the same motions year after year, expecting some new and different outcome and getting the same old shaft.
What's that definition of insanity again?


22 posted on 05/17/2006 11:19:08 AM PDT by oldfart (There are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous people and the most dangerous person is the one who h)
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To: neverdem; All
Large amount of egg on my face, I was wrong.
No excuse but a bad memory.
And not searching to refresh my memory.
I searched and went over every link still thinking I was correct. I was totally wrong.
23 posted on 05/17/2006 12:10:51 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: neverdem

I would not trust McCain if he said the sun raises in the east and shines yellow.
He has been a RINO, strong conservative, dahrling democrat, and other things at times but always a camera hawk.
I just don't trust McCain to be a real Reagan Conservative, but then neither is G.W. Bush.


24 posted on 05/17/2006 12:12:48 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: neverdem

A good article to keep for reposting when McLame starts campaigning.


25 posted on 05/17/2006 2:40:00 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
New NRA Campaign Asks Lawmakers to Pledge Not to Confiscate Guns in Times of Crisis This maybe one of the few effective arguments against staying home or voting 3rd party this November. Schumer's squealing like a stuck pig already.

What If Mexicans Were Crack? - Some similar arguments.

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26 posted on 05/18/2006 12:32:56 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I think your history is skewed. Thomas Eagleton, of depression fame, was George McGovern's VP candidate in 1972, until he was "fired" or removed himself. The MSM being against him actually helped Nixon. Goldwater's VP candidate was William Miller.


27 posted on 05/18/2006 12:52:58 AM PDT by jammer
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

>>The uninfringed Second Amendment is a fine litmus test for me.

Ditto that bump.

If a pol doesn't trust me with firearms, I don't trust that pol with the power of government.


28 posted on 05/18/2006 3:01:26 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: jammer
I agree see my post 23
29 posted on 05/18/2006 4:14:57 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: neverdem; HuntsvilleTxVeteran
William E. Miller, who nobody heard of, ran with Barry Goldwater in 1964.

Just FYI, Miller's last time in the public eye was as part of an old American Express ad campaign. "Do you know me? I ran for VP... nobody knows me. That's why I carry the American Express card."

That was one of the reasons I used to love American Express -- entertaining ads. But the GWOT taught me different. When I deployed it took me months to get to a place where I could pay my Amex bill -- on a Platinum card I'd had for 19 or so years, I owed 'em $245 when I took off. One of their snooty sales reps told me that Amex didn't care that I was kinda busy... "I listen to deadbeats like you all day." Mind you, that's after two decades without a late payment.

I paid the bill, and threw my card away. I don't accept American Express cards now, and never will. A couple years ago they were giving Jesse Jackson $2 million a year as part of his annual Wall Street shakedown, but they couldn't deal with a soldier who left one loose end -- and was calling, by the way, on a $1.50 a minute satphone from a place ending in "stan."

All the goodwill they built up with their Bill Miller ads and giving me decent service for a long time vanished when they put some anti-soldier lefty on the phone. Screw 'em.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

30 posted on 05/18/2006 11:06:43 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: neverdem

31 posted on 05/18/2006 11:10:20 PM PDT by heights
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To: namsman

BTTT


32 posted on 02/06/2008 5:30:42 AM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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