Posted on 05/17/2006 9:47:43 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Wednesday to exclude illegal immigrants convicted of a felony or three misdemeanors from a chance at remaining in the United States under what critics say is an amnesty program.
The unanimous vote on an amendment that before Easter had been considered a "poison pill" provided added momentum for broad immigration bill that would give legal status to millions of illegal immigrants and put many of them on a path toward citizenship.
The amendment by two of the bill's leading opponents, Republican Sens. Jon Kyl of Arizona and John Cornyn of Texas, was softened Tuesday in negotiations with the legislation's supporters. The sponsors agreed to include exceptions for hardship cases and those who didn't know a deportation order had been issued for them, winning the additional support.
"We want to keep those who could harm us, the criminal element, out," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., one of the authors of the bill. "Those who could benefit us ought to remain."
Critics of the legislation aren't giving up, however, and planned to keep trying to reshape the bill.
Sen. Jeff Sessions (news, bio, voting record), R-Ala., offered an amendment Wednesday that would erect more fencing along the nearly 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexican border, an idea similar to one in an enforcement-only bill passed by the House in December.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said Wednesday that lawmakers increasingly realize the need for a comprehensive plan that goes beyond trying to stop people at the border.
"If you just try to build a wall 30 feet high and 2,000 miles long, it will be insufficient. People will go up over it, around it, in order to get a job in this country," Frist said on CBS' "The Early Show."
In other words, the amendment is meaningless.
ping
"If you just try to build a wall 30 feet high and 2,000 miles long, it will be insufficient"
Not if you add guard dogs at the base of the wall!
(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")
Good God! DC numbskulls at work. Sheesh!
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00125
Vote Summary
Question: On the Amendment (Kyl Amdt. No. 4027 )
Vote Number: 125 Vote Date: May 17, 2006, 10:39 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Agreed to
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 4027 to S. 2611 (Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 )
Statement of Purpose: To make certain aliens ineligible for adjustment to lawful permanent resident status or Deferred Mandatory Departure status.
Vote Counts: YEAs 99
NAYs 0
Not Voting 1
Well, we gotta start somewhere Fristy. Let's start with shutting down the Department of Education and taking those funds to build the fence. Sacrifices need to be made, so let's start with the Federal Government.
It's all about process yaknow, not about content.. or impact.
Our "leaders" never tire of insulting our intelligence.
With that, we should be bouncing his sorry arse out of the US........
I think it is just a lot of flatulance.
"If you just try to build a wall 30 feet high and 2,000 miles long, it will be insufficient. People will go up over it, around it, in order to get a job in this country," Frist said on CBS' "The Early Show."
Ok Bill. Maybe your right. Now, why don't you go ahead and build one just to humor us.
We keep hearing how this "just won't work", but they have never really tried it. Of course, aside from a fence or wall, they would have to step up the patrols of such a fence. When that is accomplished, I would gurantee Frist that illegals coming into this country would diminish by large margins.
For a lot of folks who cross the border, it is the ease of the task that draws them to do it. Obstacles do have a way of deterring folks. Using an old phrase, it "keeps honest people, honest"
Our current situation is analogous to placing a help wanted sign on the whole United States.
"If you just try to build a wall 30 feet high and 2,000 miles long, it will be insufficient. People will go up over it, around it, in order to get a job in this country," Frist said on CBS' "The Early Show."
Well Billy Boy, ever heard of hitting the Employers and turning off the Job Faucet? HUH??
Idiot
But it sure would be a good start!
None of this requires granting citizenship to those who entered the country illegally, yet that's what this bill seems to insist on. Legalization of some kind is almost inevitable. Granting citizenship is not. How long under this bill would it take to become a citizen anyway? It's ridiculous to insist on a 'path to citizenship'.
So, all a rapist/murderer has to do is say he didn't know he was ordered deported and that wins him citizenship and a lifetime of free welfare for him and 700 of his closest relatives?
Increased enforcement can be reversed in the future. However, citizenship, one granted, can not be reversed.
I've read that the Senate-Bush Amnesty and Immigration incrase plan will add 100-190 Million in the next 20 years. So yes, that could be almost 10 per year, and it would all be Legal.
Aren't our politicians great?
"...."We want to keep those who could harm us, the criminal element, out," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), D-Mass., one of the authors of the bill. "Those who could benefit us ought to remain." ....
could benefit us 'by voting democratic'(isn't that what the swimmer really means)
THIS FELONY PROVISION IS IRRELEVANT!!!
YOU CAN PETITION FOR A WAIVER OF EXCLUSION AND STILL GET IN!!!!!
THIS FELONY PROVISION IS A SCAM!!!!
see http://wwww.uscis.gov under forms "waiver of excludability"
To ALL
We have lost the Senate.
Write or call your Representative in the House!
They must hold, or life as we know it in the US will change forever.
Quit bitching and start calling or writing.
We MAY be able to stop this.
The hardship provision makes the ENTIRE BILL meaningless it essentially makes all 11 million 100% citizenship bound.
100% amnesty.
The MSM is in total blackout of the truth.
THE BELWAY IS IN A CONE OF STUPIDITY. (see cone of silence)
It truly is sad to watch the death of America
People will go up over it, around it, in order to get a job in this country,"
Well then the big duh! would be.......make it financially devastaing for employers to hire them. The idiocy of some of these people astounds me. They are totally unable to come to a common sense solution.
This is why I may not vote. Maybe ALL incumbents, regardless of party need to go.
I just know the Republican/Free Republic mantra of "Republicans suck, but Democrats suck even more!" is just not enough to get me to the polls anymore.
Don't laugh, that is next. Just wait. The third amendment may get some workout soon.
We get it and hopefully you've set yourself up in a new day job.
The next Constitutional Convention will throw out the insane idea that any of you vermin slimes in D.C. "deserve" a lifetime pension for voting away OUR RIGHTS!
http://news.aol.com/politics/story/_a/senators-hammer-out-immigration-details/n20060517093809990001?cid=771
They also voted 69-28 to scuttle a Democratic amendment to exclude foreigners and recent illegal immigrants from a new guest worker program.
The Senate also approved on a voice vote an amendment reducing the number of foreigners who could participate in the guest worker program annually from at least 325,000 to no more than 200,000. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., also won approval for his proposal to add 1,000 more Border Patrol agents this year, 100 helicopters and 250 power(swift) boats.
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PRESIDENTIAL OATH OF OFFICE
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ARTICLE IV SECTION 4 CONSTITUTION
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Tell me again we cannot accomplish something…
Suffrage
Slavery
Civil rights
WW I
WW II
Accepts more immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.
Provides more aid to other nations than any nation in the world.
Definition of Treason
1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.
If you build a bureaucracy with the power to confiscate the assets of Americans who are suspected of cheating on their taxes, people will still cheat on their taxes.
Would the Majority Leader draw the same conclusion about the tax laws?
I like the idea of Guard dogs....how many do we have
in the country and who can train and house a few thousand?
That is the question? Jake
Do you believe the United States government should secure our borders and ports before discussing so-called immigration reform?
Yes 97% 16219 votes
No 3% 529 votes
Total: 16748 votes
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
That is 00123
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00123
Vote Summary
Question: On the Motion to Table (Motion to Table Dorgan Amdt. No. 4017 )
Vote Number: 123 Vote Date: May 16, 2006, 04:10 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Motion to Table Agreed to
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 4017 to S. 2611 (Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 )
Statement of Purpose: To prohibit aliens who are currently outside the United States from participating in the H-2C guestworker visa program.
Vote Counts: YEAs 69
NAYs 28
Not Voting 3
This is 00122
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00122
Vote Summary
Question: On the Amendment (Salazar Amdt. No. 3994 )
Vote Number: 122 Vote Date: May 16, 2006, 12:40 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Agreed to
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 3994 to S. 2611 (Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 )
Statement of Purpose: To prohibit implementation of title IV and title VI until the President determines that implementation of such titles will strengthen the national security of the United States.
Vote Counts: YEAs 79
NAYs 16
Not Voting 5
Exactly. What's a hardship case?
susie
This is 00124
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00124
Vote Summary
Question: On the Motion to Table (Motion to Table Bingaman Amdt. No. 3981 )
Vote Number: 124 Vote Date: May 16, 2006, 05:16 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Motion to Table Failed
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 3981 to S. 2611 (Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 )
Statement of Purpose: To reduce the number of H-2C nonimmigrants to 200,000 during any fiscal year.
Vote Counts: YEAs 18
NAYs 79
Not Voting 3
Actually, let's take the salaries and perks from our senators and use that first, until they actually give us a secure border.
susie
This is good - if they grow some balz to enforce it. According to US Code Title 18, Section 1028 everyone who has in his/her possession or has used any form of falsified or stolen ID documents may be tried and if found guilty for such would be FELONS. That would include illegal aliens - essentially shutting them out from AMNESTY, unless there's an AMNESTY for that also....
Because they are a bunch of elite rich guys who can afford to live in gated communities and they like being able to have cheap gardners and nannies and potential future voters (the republicans cannot possibly believe THAT can they???).
They are not us.
susie
What a bunch of garbage! Deport them all! If they are here illegally now, they may not try to enter legally for at least 10 years. Make an amendment with cajones. Make it so impossible to come or live here illegally, they will try to do it the right, legal way like most others who can't just walk across the border.
My Rep is Wexler. I'm doomed.
susie
As long as "barriers" are worthless, lets take the one down arount the White House (or however you say it in Spanish) and the Capital.........after all Jorge and Fat@ss Teddy have nothing to fear.
At least from the Mexicans................
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