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Senate Votes to Build 370-Mile Triple-Layered Fence on Mexican Border
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Posted on 05/17/2006 12:05:20 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns

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To: The South Texan

I say we just pay the Minutemen to build a fence and patrol it. It would get done better and faster.


101 posted on 05/17/2006 12:31:38 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: Rummyfan

Ok, Ok. So Ted Kennedy will have to turn sideways.


102 posted on 05/17/2006 12:32:12 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: BurbankKarl

That's a mighty impressive wall - will it help keep out 100-200m LEGAL aliens as part of this Senate package?


103 posted on 05/17/2006 12:32:55 PM PDT by lemura
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To: Roscoe Karns
This is a joke unless the basic rule of all obstacles is considered. All obstacles must be covered by either observation or fire to be effective.
104 posted on 05/17/2006 12:33:09 PM PDT by mosaicwolf
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To: TomasUSMC

Rove told lawmakers . . . “The president doesn’t want to enforce immigration law because he’s afraid he’ll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838263


105 posted on 05/17/2006 12:33:50 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Do some good while browsing FR --> Join our Folding@Home Team# 36120: keyword: folding@home)
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To: brytlea

I hear you.


106 posted on 05/17/2006 12:34:18 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Dare Bush vetos?

I wouldn't sweat it, the muscles in his veto hand have long since atrophied.

Seriously though, the fence is not incompatable with a reasonable guest-worker program. Speaking from a purely dirty politics point of view, he can take the high road on this along the lines of "The people have spoken and I won't go against them" and still be able to get a solid guest worker program and immigration enforcement that does not involve mines, machine guns or box cars packed with illegals.
107 posted on 05/17/2006 12:34:19 PM PDT by BJClinton
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To: TomasUSMC

"I say we just pay the Minutemen to build a fence and patrol it. It would get done better and faster"

I agree. Just like Wal-Mart was able to get supplies into the Katrina area faster than FEMA.

The private sector can do amazing stuff.


108 posted on 05/17/2006 12:34:55 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Roscoe Karns

I OPPOSE ANY FENCE THAT AFFECTS THE MIGRATORY PATTERNS OF THE DESERT SHREW!

:)


109 posted on 05/17/2006 12:36:07 PM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: areafiftyone
Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, an outspoken opponent of the Senate bill, derided the effort. “I didn’t see it was a persuasive event. If it was about Karl Rove seeking to convince members of Congress after debate that he’s right and we’re wrong it would have been better not to have the meeting,” he said.

It's good to see the House is standing their ground despite the pressure.

110 posted on 05/17/2006 12:36:08 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: The South Texan

DOGS - BORDER PATROL DOGS!!! HEREE KILLER!


111 posted on 05/17/2006 12:36:54 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: soccer_maniac

Oh my gawd! I don't even know what to say because if I said what I am thinking I would be permantently banned.


&^*%^&*(*&^%$#@!!!!!!!!!!!


112 posted on 05/17/2006 12:37:05 PM PDT by sheana
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To: truthkeeper
I hear the dam breaking. This fence will succeed in preventing border-jumping in urban areas like the San Diego fence has done, and will make it easier to isolate the illegals to remote areas where we can better concentrate personnel and UV minitoring. Additionally I think that vehicle barriers will be placed alongside a much wider border area.

This is a good beginning, and I am cautiously optimistic...

113 posted on 05/17/2006 12:37:09 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Four-time Bush Voter 1994-2004!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: GarySpFc

Well its a wierd start but at least its a start!


114 posted on 05/17/2006 12:37:36 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: TomasUSMC

Arent' the Minutemen supposed to start building one? I thought they already had some building companies ready and waiting to start.


115 posted on 05/17/2006 12:38:27 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: The South Texan
ummmm ....

Doesn't the government use a bidding process to tender a contract to a private company to first assess and engineer the fence and then another private contractor(s) to build the fence(s)?

In other words the fence will be built by private companies

So I really have no idea what you are talking about.

116 posted on 05/17/2006 12:39:10 PM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Republican Red

Is this the same country that built the Hoover Dam, the Panama Canal, that built the Empire State building in about 14 months? The one that was at nearly zero aircraft produce before WWII and was producing hundreds of thousands of aircraft within 3 years? The one that mounted the Normandy invasion? Is this the country that built the interstate highway system? That put a man on the moon in the span of one decade's effort?

Will someone please tell me what all this nonsense about "we can't build a fence/wall/whatever it takes" to keep our border secure? What the heck is going on here? I know some people disagree, but this is the same weak, "can't do" attitude that is the primary reason (besides politicians) why there aren't two beautiful, reinforced, taller and grander World Trade Center towers standing alongside that awful hole in Manhattan.


117 posted on 05/17/2006 12:40:25 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: MikeWUSAF
They don't THINK. They KNOW. Look at the alarming number of people who think this is a good thing. You're right. It is about amnesty. Anything else is just thrown out to accomplish that ultimate goal. Rush proved that today when he announced the Senate had decided not to implement anything until after amnesty.
118 posted on 05/17/2006 12:40:59 PM PDT by isrul
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To: Al Simmons
"This is a good beginning, and I am cautiously optimistic...
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I agree 100%...I live 7 miles north of the border and this is a huge step in the right direction. The bottom-line is that if the fence they build works to stop the crossings, then the pressure to extend it will be unstoppable!

-Toonces
119 posted on 05/17/2006 12:41:28 PM PDT by Toonces T. Cat (The Token Republican in Deep South Texas...)
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To: Rummyfan

Actally it's not all that smart to build a fence that long. Many desolate rural areas would be much better served using a combination of patrols, video monitoring and sensors.


120 posted on 05/17/2006 12:41:38 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Toonces T. Cat

I certainly hope youre right. And I hope they build it quickly.
susie


121 posted on 05/17/2006 12:42:42 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: hawkaw
Come on, you know what I am talking about. Private initiative. That is what I am talking about. Wal-Mart didn't have to get FEMA's clearance to get their stuff in the Katrina zone. Private companies taking bids from any government can be pains takingly slow as if the government was doing the work themselves.
122 posted on 05/17/2006 12:42:59 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: The South Texan

Gotcha


123 posted on 05/17/2006 12:44:11 PM PDT by hawkaw
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To: MikeWUSAF

We are all aware of how the big dig payed for veterans counseling and union vacations and every other thing then the dig itself, just as this "wall" will have riders for trips to and graft for?

Good point.


124 posted on 05/17/2006 12:44:33 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: hawkaw
Do you have a link to show that includes fences and walls already built?

Doesn't mean much, from the picture's on TV, the current walls are a mess and need to be torn down and rebuilt, per the walls pictured above.

125 posted on 05/17/2006 12:44:35 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Roscoe Karns

That's good news, but I'm not satisfied because it's NOT enough. It won't stop the illegals. It will just shift the AZ crossers into NM and TX!


126 posted on 05/17/2006 12:44:52 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987 - President Bush build that wall, NOW! 2006!)
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To: LS
Teddy Kennedy is going to lay down along the border?

You rang?


127 posted on 05/17/2006 12:45:48 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: org.whodat
I thought the wall/fencing around San Diego was working quite well?

Anyway, we shall see what happens.

128 posted on 05/17/2006 12:46:34 PM PDT by hawkaw
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To: mlc9852

I was wondering how long it would take before someone cracked that joke. I have my answer: 24 seconds.

It's nice to see that everyone is on the ball today!


129 posted on 05/17/2006 12:46:41 PM PDT by Redcloak (Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.)
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To: JewishRighter
"Is this the same country that built the Hoover Dam, the Panama Canal, that built the Empire State building in about 14 months? The one that was at nearly zero aircraft produce before WWII and was producing hundreds of thousands of aircraft within 3 years? The one that mounted the Normandy invasion? Is this the country that built the interstate highway system? That put a man on the moon in the span of one decade's effort?"

Great post.

I think a big difference is the accomplishments you listed are one thing. Leadership. JFK had a passion for the moon landing, etc. I think if you look back at our greatest accomplishments, it's because whoever was leading the nation at the times led w/passion and we responded in kind. I believe that's what's missing here. Of course we can build a wall along the entire border - if our leadership really wanted to.

130 posted on 05/17/2006 12:47:13 PM PDT by standingfirm
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To: Roscoe Karns
Build a canal to compete against the Chinese in panama
131 posted on 05/17/2006 12:47:45 PM PDT by Squat (Deport the illegals now! Turn Home Depot's into the prisons to hold the illegals!.)
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To: Roscoe Karns
Senate Votes to Build 370-Mile Triple-Layered Fence on Mexican Border

Which will probably consist of 1,480 quarter-mile segments separated by a mile of open land.

No, I'm not cynical.

132 posted on 05/17/2006 12:48:51 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: Livin_large

Right. I wrote four letters last night. We just need to keep pushing (not whining) for more protection on the border.

We also need to redefine the terms of the debate. The primary issue is not legal or illegal immigration. The primary issue is national security.


133 posted on 05/17/2006 12:49:28 PM PDT by plain talk
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1633903/posts


134 posted on 05/17/2006 12:49:42 PM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: BurbankKarl

135 posted on 05/17/2006 12:50:56 PM PDT by SC DOC
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To: Toonces T. Cat
This is a good beginning, and I am cautiously optimistic...
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I agree 100%...I live 7 miles north of the border and this is a huge step in the right direction. The bottom-line is that if the fence they build works to stop the crossings, then the pressure to extend it will be unstoppable!

Ok! So define to me what is a triple layer fence?? And the fence they built in california doesn't stop jack.
136 posted on 05/17/2006 12:52:42 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Cobra64

"OOOOOOOhhhhhhhh, pppoooooooo-ddaaaaaaa."


137 posted on 05/17/2006 12:53:10 PM PDT by LS
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To: Plutarch
"They'll force the Amnesty towel down our collective throats if they must"

Only if we heed the warning from Bush regarding the "tone" of the debate.

The Senate is lost. Too many craven politicians. We can work to politically exterminate them at election time. All efforts must shift to the House. They our the last hope.

They must understand that the ugly voices of the illegals are nothing compared to the fury of the American people. They must clearly understand that they will face this fury if they reward those who disrespect our sovereignty and laws.

This is not time to be polite. This is a time to be vociferously clear about what we demand. And vociferously clear about the consequences if we are ignored.

138 posted on 05/17/2006 12:53:20 PM PDT by isrul
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To: Parmenio
"Don't worry, it will get built. This project is going to turn into a bottomless barrel of pork."

Halliburton has the contract to build the fence sewn up. They will start as soon as the DUmmie detention centers are finished.

139 posted on 05/17/2006 12:53:53 PM PDT by skimask (People who care what you do don't matter.......People who matter don't care what you do.)
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To: hawkaw

Maybe it is working, but I would like to see some proof, to ease my mind.
susie


140 posted on 05/17/2006 12:57:19 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: standingfirm

Thanks. You're making a great point, too. And it goes to show you how far we've fallen. As much as I'm no fan of the Kennedy's, including JFK, he DID show leadership on the space race and other things. It's a sad day when the head of the Republican party in the White House looks so weak compared to any Kennedy.


141 posted on 05/17/2006 12:57:43 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: Roscoe Karns

And will President Bush sign that? Hmm. I wonder. We sure need that fence.


142 posted on 05/17/2006 12:58:33 PM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: demlosers

Just think of the graffitti on the south side of that wall!!!!!


143 posted on 05/17/2006 12:58:59 PM PDT by stockstrader
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To: hawkaw
I thought the wall/fencing around San Diego was working quite well?
Anyway, we shall see what happens.


Has been tunneled under many times, and the last one, no one knows for how long and how many used it, you need to look at a map of southern California, to see how much of a joke the San Diego wall is.
144 posted on 05/17/2006 12:59:04 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: lemura
i heard Sessions on Mark Levin last night say that they changed the language that would have allowed 100-200m legals.

It went from something like "300,000 a year which increases 20% if the current cap is met" was changed to "200,000 a year, period. No increase".

Sessions said it live on the air.

145 posted on 05/17/2006 1:01:12 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: Roscoe Karns

What?No boobietraps.


146 posted on 05/17/2006 1:01:18 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: The South Texan

I just heard Kennedy hates it and he's screaming his head off. That's a good sign.


147 posted on 05/17/2006 1:02:10 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: hawkaw

See post #6 and post #95. That should clarify.


148 posted on 05/17/2006 1:02:14 PM PDT by isrul
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To: Dreagon
370 miles doesnt even cover half the border with Texas alone. What kind of sop is this?

It doesn't cover even a quarter of the Texas / mexico border. 1,240 miles (give or take...)

It is the pandering, photo-op kind, unfortunatly.

149 posted on 05/17/2006 1:02:48 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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To: Roscoe Karns

Whodda thunk that Pat Buchanan was right in '96 when running for prez? Pat advocated that a fence should be built on the southern border to stop the illegals from crossing over, but was laughed at by the critics of the day. Now a mere 10 years later and the fence is going to be built.


150 posted on 05/17/2006 1:03:11 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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