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Senate OKs Border Fence, Mulls Citizenship
AP ^ | 20 minutes ago | DAVID ESPO,

Posted on 05/17/2006 12:32:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin

WASHINGTON - The Senate voted to build 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the Mexican border Wednesday and clashed over citizenship for millions of men and women who live in the United States illegally.

Amid increasingly emotional debate over election-year immigration legislation, senators voted 83-16 to add fencing and 500 miles of vehicle barriers along the southern border. It marked the first significant victory in two days for conservatives seeking to place their stamp on the contentious measure.

The prospects were less favorable for their attempt to strip out portions of the legislation that could allow citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants and create new guest worker programs.

The Senate acted in a volatile political environment, as the White House struggled for a second day to ease the concerns of House Republicans who contend that President Bush favors amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Thousands of demonstrators massed a few blocks from the Capitol demanding immigrant rights.

Construction of the barrier would send "a signal that open-border days are over. ... Good fences make good neighbors, fences don't make bad neighbors," said Sen. Jeff Sessions (news, bio, voting record), R-Ala. He said border areas where barriers already exist have experienced economic improvement and reduced crime.

"What we have here has become a symbol for the right wing in American politics," countered Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. He said if the proposal passed, "our relationship with Mexico would come down to a barrier between our two countries."

The Senate labored to complete work by next week on immigration legislation that generally follows an outline Bush set out in a nationally televised speech this week.

The measure includes provisions to strengthen border security, create a new guest worker program and crack down on the hiring of illegal immigrants.

Most controversially, it offers an eventual chance at citizenship for many of the estimated 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants already in the country. Senate Republicans staged an impromptu, occasionally emotional debate over whether that amounted to amnesty.

Sen. David Vitter of Louisiana said it did. "Surely this is a pardon from what present law says must happen," he said of provisions in the bill that require immigrants to undergo background checks, pay back taxes and take other steps before they can become citizens.

Sens. John McCain and Chuck Hagel replied heatedly it was not amnesty.

"Let's stop the nonsense," said Hagel, addressing fellow Republicans. "You all know it's not amnesty." Said McCain, addressing Vitter, "Call it a banana if you want to ... to call the process that we require under this legislation amnesty frankly distorts the debate and it's an unfair interpretation of it."

Vitter sought the last word. "Methinks thou dost protest too much."

The clash erupted after Vitter sought a change in the legislation to strip out provisions of the bill that would allow for guest worker programs and give some illegal immigrants a chance at citizenship.

Supporters of the Senate measure credited Bush's prime-time Monday night speech with giving fresh momentum to the effort to pass long-stalled legislation.

Across the Capitol in the House, the story was different. Republicans pushed through a border security bill last year, and several members of the rank-and-file have criticized Bush for his proposals. To calm their concerns, the White House dispatched Karl Rove to their weekly closed-door meeting.

Rep. Steve King (news, bio, voting record), R-Iowa, an outspoken opponent of the Senate bill, derided the effort. "I didn't see it was a persuasive event. If it was about Karl Rove seeking to convince members of Congress after debate that he's right and we're wrong it would have been better not to have the meeting," he said.

King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

Rep. Peter King (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y., agreed that Rove did not seem to have been persuasive. "It's not the kind of issue you can compromise on; either you're giving amnesty to people who are here illegally or you aren't."

At the White House, press secretary Tony Snow defended Bush against criticism. "The president is actually taking a more aggressive role on border security than the House itself took," he said. "That is the sort of thing that is going to answer a lot of the complaints that we have heard."

The National Capital Immigration Coalition organized the afternoon demonstration on the National Mall a few blocks from where lawmakers debated the issue they cared about.

"This is a critical moment. We oppose the militarization of the U.S-Mexican border," said Juan Jose Gutierrez, one of the event's organizers.


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1 posted on 05/17/2006 12:32:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
citizenship for many of the estimated 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants already in the country

This is the poison pill that must be stopped at all cost.

2 posted on 05/17/2006 12:34:39 PM PDT by lemura
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To: lemura

Amen!


3 posted on 05/17/2006 12:35:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: BenLurkin

Rove was said not be doing very well at the house. Good For the U.S. House.!


4 posted on 05/17/2006 12:35:54 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: BenLurkin

Halfway there.


5 posted on 05/17/2006 12:36:47 PM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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To: BenLurkin

I've posted this before, but want to repeat it: the fence is eventually going to be built along the entire length of the border. It's going to turn into a bottomless barrel of pork. Like any government project, once it gets going it's not going to be stopped.


6 posted on 05/17/2006 12:36:51 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: BenLurkin

NO bill is better than this bill. Let the status quo remain rather than legalize illegals.


7 posted on 05/17/2006 12:37:10 PM PDT by lemura
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To: BenLurkin

"This is a critical moment. We oppose the militarization of the U.S-Mexican border," said Juan Jose Gutierrez, one of the event's organizers.

&&&
I'm sure you do, Mr., just as a mugger opposes his victim's ability to protect himself.


8 posted on 05/17/2006 12:37:11 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: BenLurkin
The Senate voted to build 370 miles

I believe that the Senate bill has 200 miles before this and the House bill has 700 miles.

I think even the House version is really just a good start, but I will give the Senate credit for taking a step in the right direction.

However, unless they drop the amnesty, this bill needs to be killed and the House needs to pass a Border Security bill that includes their fencing provisions and try and get it though the Senate.

9 posted on 05/17/2006 12:38:11 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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Rove: "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

WTF!!! That better be a joke!

10 posted on 05/17/2006 12:39:48 PM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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"What we have here has become a symbol for the right wing in American politics," countered Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. He said if the proposal passed, "our relationship with Mexico would come down to a barrier between our two countries."

If intelligent border control is the symbol of right-wing politics, I'm a monkey's uncle. It may be a symbol of the wishes of the majority of Americans, but not the peolpe we have sent to Washington. So far, that is.

If democrats and the Mexican government believe that the border is the only thing that defines our relationship with Mexico... I guess we'd be better off without democrats, or a relationship with Mexico, or both. How sophomoric of Durbin.
11 posted on 05/17/2006 12:39:57 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: Bigg Red

Bump that!


12 posted on 05/17/2006 12:40:04 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: BenLurkin
King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

When such a lack of respect for the rule of law is displayed from the very top its bound to filter down to the general public eventually.
13 posted on 05/17/2006 12:40:06 PM PDT by Timedrifter
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To: Condor51
Could be a mis-quote. The media is notorious for those.
14 posted on 05/17/2006 12:40:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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SA 3979. Mr. SESSIONS submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 2611, to provide for comprehensive immigration reform and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

Strike section 106, and insert the following:

SEC. 106. CONSTRUCTION OF STRATEGIC BORDER FENCING AND VEHICLE BARRIERS.

(a) Tucson Sector.--The Secretary shall--

(1) replace all aged, deteriorating, or damaged primary fencing in the Tucson Sector located proximate to population centers in Douglas, Nogales, Naco, and Lukeville, Arizona with double- or triple-layered fencing running parallel to the international border between the United States and Mexico;

(2) extend the double- or triple-layered fencing for a distance of not less than 2 miles beyond urban areas, except that the double- or triple-layered fence shall extend west of Naco, Arizona, for a distance of 10 miles; and

(3) construct not less than 150 miles of vehicle barriers and all-weather roads in the Tucson Sector running parallel to the international border between the United States and Mexico in areas that are known transit points for illegal cross-border traffic.

(b) Yuma Sector.--The Secretary shall--

(1) replace all aged, deteriorating, or damaged primary fencing in the Yuma Sector located proximate to population centers in Yuma, Somerton, and San Luis, Arizona with double- or triple-layered fencing running parallel to the international border between the United States and Mexico;

(2) extend the double- or triple-layered fencing for a distance of not less than 2 miles beyond urban areas in the Yuma Sector; and

(3) construct not less than 50 miles of vehicle barriers and all-weather roads in the Yuma Sector running parallel to the international border between the United States and Mexico in areas that are known transit points for illegal cross-border traffic.

(c) Other High Trafficked Areas.--The Secretary shall construct not less than 370 miles of triple-layered fencing which may include portions already constructed in San Diego, Tucson and Yuma Sectors and 500 miles of vehicle barriers in other areas along the southwest border that the Secretary determines are areas that are most often used by smugglers and illegal aliens attempting to gain illegal entry into the United States.

(d) Construction Deadline.--The Secretary shall immediately commence construction of the fencing, barriers, and roads described in subsections (a), (b), and (c) and shall complete such construction not later than 2 years after the date of the enactment of this Act.

(e) Report.--Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall submit a report to the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate and the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives that describes the progress that has been made in constructing the fencing, barriers, and roads described in subsections (a), (b), and (c).

(f) Authorization of Appropriations.--There are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to carry out this section.

15 posted on 05/17/2006 12:41:09 PM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: tennmountainman

King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, “The president doesn’t want to enforce immigration law because he’s afraid he’ll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life.”


16 posted on 05/17/2006 12:41:18 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Parmenio

Better to have afnce as a barrel of pork, than the bottomless pork supertanker brought upon us by an amnesty/guest worker program.


17 posted on 05/17/2006 12:41:23 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: BenLurkin
"Amid increasingly emotional debate over election-year immigration legislation, senators voted 83-16 to add fencing and 500 miles of vehicle barriers along the southern border. It marked the first significant victory in two days for conservatives seeking to place their stamp on the contentious measure.

Excellent!

Now vote for the NG to secure the border as well. The flood of illegals must stop.

18 posted on 05/17/2006 12:41:46 PM PDT by stopem (Sorry illegals the jobs are drying up you will be loitering a long time!)
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To: BenLurkin

""Sens. John McCain and Chuck Hagel replied heatedly it was not amnesty.

"Let's stop the nonsense," said Hagel, addressing fellow Republicans. "You all know it's not amnesty." Said McCain, addressing Vitter, "Call it a banana if you want to ... to call the process that we require under this legislation amnesty frankly distorts the debate and it's an unfair interpretation of it."

Vitter sought the last word. "Methinks thou dost protest too much."""

Ha! Good one by Vitter! Hegel and McCain are too corrupt and dishonest just to come out and say it's an amnesty, and we support it. Probably got a cue when Bush told a similar lie about "amnesty."


19 posted on 05/17/2006 12:42:36 PM PDT by Shermy (Read my lips. No new amnesty.)
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To: Condor51

Rove didn't say that... The Representative fromt he House said that.


20 posted on 05/17/2006 12:43:11 PM PDT by ruschpa
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To: BenLurkin

Building 370 miles of fence is worse than building no fence at all. It will simply encourage illegals to travel through the desert to locations where there isn't a fence. It will simply result in the deaths of more illegals, but it won't stop them from coming.

To be effective, the fence HAS to cover most or ALL of the border to completely discourage border crossings.

Perhaps this is a start, but considering how difficult it was just to get 370 miles approved, it is not encouraging that more miles of fence will be built.


21 posted on 05/17/2006 12:43:26 PM PDT by kidd
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To: BenLurkin

Rove told lawmakers . . . “The president doesn’t want to enforce immigration law because he’s afraid he’ll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12838263


22 posted on 05/17/2006 12:44:19 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Do some good while browsing FR --> Join our Folding@Home Team# 36120: keyword: folding@home)
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To: tennmountainman

""King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life.""

Rove! Doing a double plus good job to earn that backend performance bonus after 2008 from the National Chamber of Commerce!


23 posted on 05/17/2006 12:45:02 PM PDT by Shermy (Read my lips. No new amnesty.)
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"Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, an outspoken opponent of the Senate bill, derided the effort. “I didn’t see it was a persuasive event. If it was about Karl Rove seeking to convince members of Congress after debate that he’s right and we’re wrong it would have been better not to have the meeting,” he said.

King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, “The president doesn’t want to enforce . . ."

25 posted on 05/17/2006 12:46:41 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Shermy

The Representative said that, not Rove. That was his interpretation.


26 posted on 05/17/2006 12:47:09 PM PDT by ruschpa
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To: BenLurkin
King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

?????????????????????

27 posted on 05/17/2006 12:48:30 PM PDT by notes2005
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To: BenLurkin

"King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life." "

And there we have it folks, Bush's strategist admitting that the president does not want to enforce the very laws he swore he would when sworn in. Even worse, because he doesn't want to inconvenience illegal aliens. So instead of working to increase legal immigration and streamline that process through legislation he chose to out and out ignore the laws on the books and do whatever he damn well pleased.

I am beyond disgusted.


28 posted on 05/17/2006 12:49:19 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Bikers4Bush

Reread it... The Representative said that, not Rove. That was his interpretation.


29 posted on 05/17/2006 12:50:19 PM PDT by ruschpa
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To: Baynative

Check also.
www.desertinvasion.us


30 posted on 05/17/2006 12:51:03 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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""What we have here has become a symbol for the right wing in American politics," countered Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. He said if the proposal passed, "our relationship with Mexico would come down to a barrier between our two countries.""

LOL. He's sooo out of touch with his own people.

This "symbol" meme about the fence...does Durbin think we should tear down the fence already there?

The globalist lobbyist behind this must be laughing their rears off watching this show of Liberal guilt and shame. They manipulated it well. Lefty blogs have no voice, aimless, cowering from being labeled with the race card.

31 posted on 05/17/2006 12:51:23 PM PDT by Shermy (Read my lips. No new amnesty.)
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To: Parmenio
I've posted this before, but want to repeat it: the fence is eventually going to be built along the entire length of the border. It's going to turn into a bottomless barrel of pork. Like any government project, once it gets going it's not going to be stopped.

If the fence is "pork", then I'm going to have to change my attitude on wasteful government spending. Just call me a "spend and fence" conservative.

32 posted on 05/17/2006 12:52:05 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: lemura

No amnesty!


33 posted on 05/17/2006 12:52:52 PM PDT by Racer1
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To: BenLurkin

its a start but it needs to be 1,900 miles.


34 posted on 05/17/2006 12:53:15 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: BenLurkin
***Could be a mis-quote.***

It better be.
My BP is now about 370/120 and my head is ready to explode.

If Dubya refuses to enforce the laws he swore an oath to uphold because of his 'feelings' he has NO business being POTUS. He should resign and go work at Bleeding Hearts 'R' Us.

That quote is just unf*king believably STOO-PID. <<<-head shaking->>>

(I gotta go take a pill}

35 posted on 05/17/2006 12:53:38 PM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Parmenio

That sounds great to me. I hope the 'pork-barrel' fence doesn't get stopped until it's a super-larded pork-barrel wall...


36 posted on 05/17/2006 12:53:41 PM PDT by AntiGuv (How is Mexico our friend?)
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To: BenLurkin

Somebody help me out, if you will. I'm trying to figure out what my representative voted on the original House immigration bill. Where do I go to figure this out?


37 posted on 05/17/2006 12:54:48 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Condor51

For the 5th time... If you reread it, and put it in context. It seems the Representative said that, not Rove.


38 posted on 05/17/2006 12:54:55 PM PDT by ruschpa
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To: michigander

Too many holes in the fence if you ask me.


39 posted on 05/17/2006 12:55:53 PM PDT by Racer1
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To: ruschpa

I've read it a number of time and it reads to me just the opposite.

Even if it was the Rep that said it his interpretation would have come directly from what Rove told them and based on what the administration has done to date to secure the border it would certainly seem to be the case.


40 posted on 05/17/2006 12:55:59 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: BenLurkin
I am watching the Senate debate the immigration bill.

Senators Spector and Murdering Ted Kennedy seem to be doing everything possible to throw a monkey wrench into any amendments proposed by opponents to Amnesty..

I believe that the Senate is showing that it is incapable of passing laws that uphold Americas values.

I am absolutely disappointed so far with the way the Senate is conducting business.

I would expect some of this inefficiency in the house with the likes of Cynthia McKinney but not with Senators.

Folks our Senators are not listening to the voters that sent them to represent us.

Thank God for Jim Imhoff, Tom Corburn, John Cornyn, Jeff Sessions and others.

A pox on Spector and Kennedy.
41 posted on 05/17/2006 12:56:07 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: lemura

Absolutely. And the borders should militarized.


42 posted on 05/17/2006 12:56:57 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: RonF
You find your representative here.
43 posted on 05/17/2006 12:57:56 PM PDT by AntiGuv (How is Mexico our friend?)
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To: BenLurkin
""This is a critical moment. We oppose the militarization of the U.S-Mexican border," said Juan Jose Gutierrez, one of the event's organizers."

Juan Jose, you can just kiss my little ole southern grits..

sw

44 posted on 05/17/2006 12:58:24 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife) ("The Devils in the Details")..Sen David Vitter)
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To: ruschpa

I agree it wasn't Rove who said that and it doesn't make sense when you read what Tony Snow said in the briefer. King should smarten up.


45 posted on 05/17/2006 12:58:50 PM PDT by hawkaw
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To: OKIEDOC
And McCain too!

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46 posted on 05/17/2006 1:00:00 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife) ("The Devils in the Details")..Sen David Vitter)
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To: Bikers4Bush
I am beyond disgusted.

I'm beyond disgusted that someone who allow the "interpretation" of some silly House representative to make you believe that is directly what GWB said.

GWB is a man of tremendous character and class. Two traits that are sorely lacking among most men today in this Country.

That he is looking for a comprehensive and systematic reform process to this 40 year in the making problem simply shows he wants serious legislation on this issue. On the whole. He does not want to push certain aspects of this needed reform down the road. If we are going to take this issue on...lets take it on completely is what he is correctly proposing.

47 posted on 05/17/2006 1:00:08 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: BenLurkin

My personal opinion is that anybody who came here illegally as an adult, for any length of time, is forever barred from applying for citizenship. Period.


48 posted on 05/17/2006 1:01:44 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: BenLurkin

49 posted on 05/17/2006 1:02:27 PM PDT by Gritty (We have aging white Americans, dying, shitting their pants in fear. I love it.-Prof J Gutierrez U-Tx)
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To: DevSix
The problem isn't that Bush has proposed "comprehensive" immigration reform, but that he's proposed the wrong "comprehensive" immigration reform.
50 posted on 05/17/2006 1:02:32 PM PDT by AntiGuv (How is Mexico our friend?)
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