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Senate OKs Border Fence, Mulls Citizenship
AP ^ | 20 minutes ago | DAVID ESPO,

Posted on 05/17/2006 12:32:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: Shermy

Shermy, great point... it's absurd that 'border security' is now the 'compromise element' to bring the GOP on board what is 95% simply illegal immigrant legalization/amnesty,
when 'border security' is in the budget alrady and should have been done all along!

I also believe it is fundamentally wrong to not fix *INTERIOR ENFORCEMENT* too. Nobody is talking about it but it is more fundamentally broken than our border. Without the ability to deport ilegal immigrants and fine the employes of illegal immigrants, and without real verification programs, we continue to see illegal immigrant employment mushroom.


101 posted on 05/17/2006 2:38:02 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: Tammy8

This is what we know about Bush... We know he believes anyone in the world who wants to come here and work should be given an opportunity to do so. Anyone who comes here illegally and finds a job and is a "good law abiding person" should have their status here legalized. Don't get Bush wrong, he is not for "amnesty", but for allowing those who come here illegally to stay and work in the United States. For years, Bush has done virtually nothing on border security. Instead he proposed a couple of years ago, a guest worker program to allow more people to come here. He has called Americans who seek to protect the borders, vigilantes.


102 posted on 05/17/2006 2:41:09 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: DevSix

"If we are going to take this issue on...lets take it on completely is what he is correctly proposing."

*Completely*? Really now ... does Bush propose a comprehensive solution that includes a solution to the problem of illegal alien border crossers who come here to have children so they are US citizens an dcan later be used as 'anchor babies' to bring the whole family to the US? And on it on US taxpaer dime, since they are indigent and US law forbids turning them away from hospital emergency rooms?

What solution does Bush have? What do you propose for that?


103 posted on 05/17/2006 2:41:17 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: WOSG
Let me ask you, how many illegal immigrants will be deported under McCain-Kennedy or Hagel-Martinez?

You don't understand. Anyone who comes here illegally and obeys the law, should be allowed to stay and work. It is a matter of basic human rights and compassion to the President and his pro-amnesty buddies.

And if you disagree, Charles Krauthammer thinks you should have your medications adjusted. Bill Kristol thinks you are a "yahoo". Bush thinks you are not compassionate. And Fred Barnes thinks you are hurting the Republican Party. Who cares about the nation, we must care about the Republican Party at the expense of the nation. The neo-cons have taken over the Republican Party. You are a "nut" if you disagree with them. You may even be a racist.

Now who is responsible for "splitting" the Republican Party.

104 posted on 05/17/2006 2:48:23 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: kidd

Some fences are already there. There is a 23 mile fence south of San Diego on the border. There are other sections as well. All a fence does is act a force multiplier and it funnels the illegals to areas where we can control and detect them. There are also parts of the border that don't need fencing due the terrain, access, etc. This is a good start.

It is obvious by the votes that this is a sop to the conservative Reps who are really serious about border control, so they can vote for the final bill. I hope the House stands its grounds about citizenship. Although not desireable, I would accept some sort of permanent residency by never citizenship. You can't reward illegal behavior.

105 posted on 05/17/2006 2:54:45 PM PDT by kabar
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To: All

I just sent a new fax to my senators from numbersusa.com...

Dear Senator,

I was extremely disappointed by the President's immigration speech.


A recent Zogby poll shows that the enforcement-only approach of H.R. 4437, which most House Republicans supported in December, is the approach favored by most Americans.

The poll found that Americans want less, not more, immigration. Sixty-seven percent of respondents said immigration should be reduced so those already here are allowed to assimilate.

Furthermore, support for the enforcement-only approach cut across party lines, with 81 percent of Republicans, 72 percent of independents, and 57 percent of Democrats supporting it.

This suggests that the immigration plan the President outlined is not what a majority of Americans want. In fact, it is in direct contrast to what they want. Please pursue an enforcement-only immigration bill.

Cordially,

P.S. After having secured our borders I would support a more diversified guestworker program that includes all peoples of every nationality. Given that there is a long line of people in nations such as Vietnam, Cambodia and those of Africa, I do not believe it is fair to them to only include Mexicans and Central Americans as eligible for the guestworker program. Furthermore, I would be against offering the guestworker program to those already here illegally.

You can find this fax by proceeding to
http://www.numbersusa.com/faxes?ID=5520


106 posted on 05/17/2006 2:55:54 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: soccer_maniac

The media said King said Rove said President Bush said...? That is a few too many he saids for me. I will only believe President Bush said that when I hear it from him. Whatever is going on- don't forget the media is not your friend.


107 posted on 05/17/2006 3:02:06 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and secure the border!!!)
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To: DevSix

"He is looking to address this in a comprehensive and systematic process."

Actually, he's looking to placate the vast majority of voters while providing amnesty and calling it "guest worker." Unfortunately, some, including you, are falling for this sham.


108 posted on 05/17/2006 3:03:02 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: Robertsll

No joke. Bush really believes anyone who comes here looking for work and finds a job should be allowed to stay, so long as they are not a threat to this country. Bush is an "open borders" globalist.

Of course he is. He wants to 'encourage and help them' come, too! What he really wants is an army of slaves for companies (and other people) who want the cheapest labor possible without thinking of the big picutre and long term effects. Of course this is all under the guise of 'letting people in who want a better life.' Yeah, right. It's quite shocking, actually, how much he DOES NOT want to protect our borders and sovereignty.


109 posted on 05/17/2006 3:04:38 PM PDT by usmom
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To: Robertsll

"Don't get Bush wrong, he is not for 'amnesty,' but for allowing those who come here illegally to stay and work in the United States."

That's amnesty.


110 posted on 05/17/2006 3:08:25 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: Robertsll

" You don't understand. Anyone who comes here illegally and obeys the law, should be allowed to stay and work. It is a matter of basic human rights and compassion to the President and his pro-amnesty buddies."

For a second I didnt detect the sarcasm... never-mind the mind-warp that goes around "law-abiding illegal immigrant".

I think there is something to be said for 'compassion' in the sense of being reasonable in application of the law.
But undermining the rule of law on a massive scale is not compassionate nor wise, it is an incitement to disrepect of law and order.


111 posted on 05/17/2006 3:09:43 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: Condor51

Thanks. My Representative, Lipinski (D-IL), voted for HR4437.


112 posted on 05/17/2006 3:11:02 PM PDT by RonF
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To: usmom
Our nation needs slave labor to keep inflation down. We are printing tons of paper money to keep up with the deficits these false conservatives are running up in Congress. Therefore to combat inflation, we need to push middle class wages lower.

If you oppose cheap foreign labor, you are to blame for inflation. Not the people in charge of our monetary and fiscal policy, they are not to blame for inflation. It is people who make more than 20,000 a year and expect to make money. Corporations have every right to make tens of billions of dollars. That is their constitutional right. But for workers to share in any of that will result in inflation.

113 posted on 05/17/2006 3:11:31 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: WOSG
For a second I didnt detect the sarcasm

It was partly tongue in cheek. Don't forget that is what our president believes.

114 posted on 05/17/2006 3:13:19 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: BenLurkin
Amid increasingly emotional debate over election-year immigration legislation, senators voted 83-16 to add fencing and 500 miles of vehicle barriers along the southern border.

That amendment passed, too? It seems Sessions and company are chipping away at this bill little by little...but will it end up being enough to be effective?

115 posted on 05/17/2006 3:15:31 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: BenLurkin

Well, well, Congress seems to slowly be converging to the solution I've been advocating for over a year:

Tight border enforcement (including fences), tight internal enforcement, and a guest worker program. I just hope their 'mulling' citizenship ditches the fast-track to citizenship for folks who sunk in. A fast track to regular guest-worker status is fine with me (mostly for logistical reasons).


116 posted on 05/17/2006 3:38:34 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: BenLurkin

The Senate voted to build 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the Mexican border



Now, I thought that border was over 2,000 miles?


117 posted on 05/17/2006 3:39:31 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (You want my vote? I want border security and no criminals rewarded for criminal behavior)
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To: lemura
NO bill is better than this bill.

Amen.

118 posted on 05/17/2006 3:42:57 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Are you saying Steve King is lying?


119 posted on 05/17/2006 3:46:10 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Do some good while browsing FR --> Join our Folding@Home Team# 36120: keyword: folding@home)
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To: Tammy8

What did he say about tax cheating employers who hire illegals in his speech on Monday?


120 posted on 05/17/2006 3:48:36 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Do some good while browsing FR --> Join our Folding@Home Team# 36120: keyword: folding@home)
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To: soccer_maniac

So who is lying here?


121 posted on 05/17/2006 3:59:04 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (You want my vote? I want border security and no criminals rewarded for criminal behavior)
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To: BenLurkin
Republicans are like the Dems of the 60s, torn between their civil rights wing and their dixiecrat wing. Dems were in charge of Congress, and fought the battle within their party. It ended up leading to a GOP majority. We are split between a conservative, pro-American wing and a "dem-lite" wing.

These fools like Hagel, McCain and Bush are leading the GOP down that same path, back to permanent minority status.

122 posted on 05/17/2006 4:01:13 PM PDT by Defiant ( I love Mexico.....exactly where it is.)
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To: BenLurkin

The fence needs to be 1200 miles long, not 400 miles! Don't these senatorial morons know anything at all about the border?


123 posted on 05/17/2006 4:07:37 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Tammy8

"I would be furious if I believed President Bush said that"

Bush said this, sugar coated with Clintonisms, on Monday night. Why are people acting surprised?

The whole point about legalization is that we are unwilling to actually enforce immigration law to the point of deporting illgal immigrants who are here illegally but otherwise not breaking laws. Based on that failure of will and desire to not look 'mean-spirited', we let lawbreakers get in line for citizenship.

If you dont deport then you can leave asis or you then must legalize. That's the thinking.


124 posted on 05/17/2006 4:26:32 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: DevSix

"English"

Do you support English-only ballots?
Do you support ending the 'dual citizenship' of
If not, then what meaning is this requirement'?
Can we end bilingual education?
It's nice to make take an English course, but practically meaningless in an
environment of multiculturalism
Where the majority of students in LA school system
are kids of illegal immigrants parents, speaking spanish
at home.

It also begs a simple question: Why not English only for all naturalized citizens? It should be a requirement for citizenship, right?


125 posted on 05/17/2006 4:33:37 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: Owen

"The hoops that will be created by Senate amendments to provide path to citizenship for the 11 million illegals are going to be severe."

They are practically meaningless now, and they even turned back a Vitter amendment to cut it down. Your optimism is not justified by events thus far.

"Damn near none of these illegals will qualify. "

So far, even the Hagel-Martinez 'compromise' got everybody in the amnesty. And with document fraud, even illegal aliens yet to cross will 'qualify'! (Its what happened in 1986).

Also, the fencing is not relevent, really, without serious attempts at interior immigration law enforcement.
What's relevent is the will to enforce immigration laws via deportation.

If the Senate passes the CLEAR Act, and puts teeth into employer verification, I might bite. ... but I'm skeptical, still.


126 posted on 05/17/2006 4:39:35 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: WOSG

I listened to every word of President Bush's speech, and read the transcript, he did not say that.

There is much to debate about this issue without putting words into anyone's mouth.


127 posted on 05/17/2006 4:54:13 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and secure the border!!!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

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That amendment passed, too? It seems Sessions and company are chipping away at this bill little by little...but will it end up being enough to be effective?
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It doesn't have to be. It's moving in the right direction to walk into conference. The House Senate conference will move it even more in the right direction.

The President has strong feelings about people who walk across the border to find work. His feelings are less strong about short cutting the already strict requirements for naturalized citizenship. The Senate is sending out a bill with a GW total of only 200K. I don't think the Democrats realize how small that is.

The conference will reduce this further and add the condition of a 2/3 supermajority in both houses required to raise that number. That's the crusher. The Democrats think they can jack that number later. By putting a supermajority condition on it they are maneuvered into a corner.

Then by adding English required, 10 years wait, pay fine, pay an estimate of back taxes, make a self financed trip to the border to "get in line" (the line will move fast) and you have enough hoops to jump through that anyone who does would probably make a fine American.

The House Senate conference will also add miles to that fence.

This is moving in the right direction. I don't think it was anticipated that the Senate would report out a bill that the House / Senate conference could actually adjust even further rightward to something explicitly abhorrent to the Democrats and actually something that gives us a fence plus severe punishment of those who broke the law and a GW program so small that it is almost invisible.


128 posted on 05/17/2006 5:08:51 PM PDT by Owen
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Thanks for posting that. I couldn't believe Rove would have said that---and I sure didn't think Bush THOUGHT that.


129 posted on 05/17/2006 6:07:36 PM PDT by LS
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To: Maynerd

Cheney said yesterday on Rush that we didn't need a fence along the whole border, and that "experts" had told him that it made sense in many places and made no sense in others. I can see that, coming from AZ. There's parts of AZ where you pretty much cannot cross (i.e., the Yuma desert). It would be VERY easy to spot someone there using a variety of techniques (I don't recommend thermal, however :)


130 posted on 05/17/2006 6:09:31 PM PDT by LS
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To: Owen

Interesting take. I hope you are right.


131 posted on 05/17/2006 6:11:35 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Kimberly GG

There's no doubt in my mind that big business has finally awoken to the fact that they are at the end of the plank from both a moral and legal standpoint on this issue and that they stand to lose much more than hiring illegals has saved them over the years.

Despite some who claim this is just another conspiracy theory if you look at it from an administration standpoint the possibly consequences are such that there will be something in this legislation that forgives illegal hiring by corporations.

Without an amensty for the corporations as well they will still be liable for damages basd on past illegal acts.

In other words the RICO statutes won't stop applying just because a guest worker program is created.

It's time to read the fine print.


132 posted on 05/18/2006 5:58:19 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Tammy8

Allow me to ask you a simple and honest question.

With respect to the illegal alien issue whom do you trust more, the administration or the house of representatives?


133 posted on 05/18/2006 6:00:13 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Echo Talon

"its a start but it needs to be 1,900 miles."

Is that the length of the US-Mexican border?


134 posted on 05/18/2006 6:08:57 AM PDT by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: tabsternager
Actually, he's looking to placate the vast majority of voters while providing amnesty and calling it "guest worker." Unfortunately, some, including you, are falling for this sham.

That is complete rubbish (unless we all get amnesty every time we go to court and pay a fine) - I get a ticket for jay-walking or disturbing the peace....I go to court pay a fine.....case closed. Did I recieve amnesty? (of course not).

GWB is not giving amnesty. That is what Ronald Reagan did. One minute 3 million were illegal the next minute they were legal with absolutely no requirements nor punishment.

GWB is not offering this in the least. There are background check requirements, there are assimilation requirements, there will be fines owed, etc, etc.

If you still don't like this type of plan. So be it. However, having to be intellectually dishonest and insist it is amnesty is BS. (unless we all get amnesty every time we go to court and simply pay a fine without doing jail time).

135 posted on 05/18/2006 1:03:48 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: GarySpFc
However, on immigration I cannot. There have been 8 amnesties since 1980, and things keep getting worse. Family members of citizens attempting to immigrate here LEGALLY need 8 to 25 years to get here, and if 12 million illegals are given a path to citizenship, then future family members can forget ever coming. As it is have to wait at the back of the line...overseas, not here. Furthermore, these people are not allowed to visit their relatives here, and that due to American law, not Russian. Somewhere, somehow truth, justice and the American way went down the drain when America considers legal immigration, AND THAT IS EVIL.

GarySpfc - I hear your sentiment...but we have to be willing to be intellectually honest here - Especially regarding amnesty - The notion that GWB is offering "amnesty" is simply a false premise.

Unless we all get amnesty every time we go to court and pay a fine - If I get a ticket for jay-walking or disturbing the peace....I go to court pay a fine.....case closed. Did I recieve amnesty? (of course not).

GWB is not giving amnesty. That is what Ronald Reagan did. One minute 3 million were illegal the next minute they were legal with absolutely no requirements nor punishment.

GWB is not offering this in the least. There are background check requirements, there are assimilation requirements, there will be fines owed, etc, etc.

If you still don't like this type of plan. So be it. However, having to be intellectually dishonest and insist it is amnesty is BS. (unless we all get amnesty every time we go to court and simply pay a fine without doing jail time).

Best regards,

136 posted on 05/18/2006 9:18:14 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
GarySpfc - I hear your sentiment...but we have to be willing to be intellectually honest here - Especially regarding amnesty - The notion that GWB is offering "amnesty" is simply a false premise.

I agree, but who is being intellectually honest? George W. Bush has one definition of amnesty, and most law professors have another. The definition of amnesty as given by Kris Kobach, law professor, and former head of the Immigration section in the Department of Justice is, "Moving an individual from a guilty to an innocent position, without them paying the required penalty." Note, Professor Kobach's credentials. These illegal aliens are not being deported, which is the penalty for entering the US illegally.

Here are some of the most common felonies committed by illegal aliens, and all of these are offenses, which call for deportation..

8 usc 1325 entering the US unlawfully (misdemeanor first time, felony second time)
8 usc 1326 entering the US after being deported
18 usc 1546 using false documents to obtain work authorization
18 usc 1028 using false identification document
42 usc 408 misuse of a social security number
18 usc 1344 setting up a bank account with false information
137 posted on 05/18/2006 9:40:35 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Owen; WOSG
"The hoops that will be created by Senate amendments to provide path to citizenship for the 11 million illegals are going to be severe."

My wife took her citizenship test last year and passed. The test for reading and writing English is a joke. "Jack and Jill ran up the hill." Can you read that? Write, "I like dogs." You passed.
138 posted on 05/18/2006 9:46:16 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc
I agree, but who is being intellectually honest? George W. Bush has one definition of amnesty, and most law professors have another.

Well 9 times out of 10 I'd go with the exact opposite of what most college professors are saying about anything! (but that's another story).

Furthermore there are always maximum penalties and or penalties on the books that judges see fit to give a lesser degree of punishment (and that still isn't amnesty).

When one gets a speeding ticket and has to pay a hefty fine but is put on probation for 6 months without accruing *points*...is that amnesty?

Furthermore the notion that we are going to round up 11 million people and remove / deport them is simply silly. It ain't going happen (and you and I both know it). Hell we could hardly remove one little Cuban boy back to his Father in Cuba without this country erupting on itself.

Outside of the very serious logistics alone of trying to do such -

139 posted on 05/18/2006 9:48:03 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Owen

BTW, with 4 million in line to immigrate to the US legally the INS workers have 4 minutes to examine each file. Now add 12 to 20 million to that total, and tell me how long they are going to have to examine each file?


140 posted on 05/18/2006 9:48:26 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: DevSix

Wait just a minute. The law books call for these individuals to be deported, no exceptions. Tha tis amnesty. W is saying we will create another penalty for them, plus he adds a reward.


141 posted on 05/18/2006 9:53:24 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: DevSix
Furthermore the notion that we are going to round up 11 million people and remove / deport them is simply silly. It ain't going happen (and you and I both know it). Hell we could hardly remove one little Cuban boy back to his Father in Cuba without this country erupting on itself.

Ahhhh, so pragmatisim rules the day, and people trying to immigrate here legally are shafted. I agree we cannot deport them, but we can make it hard for them to obtain work, which will cause most of them to leave. However, we reward them by putting them on the road to citizenship.

“I tell you the truth, anyone who sneaks over the wall of a sheepfold, rather than going through the gate, must surely be a thief and a robber![1] John 10:1

Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent— the LORD detests them both. Proverbs 17:15
142 posted on 05/18/2006 9:57:27 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc

Isn't the civics and history test portion of the naturalization process given in English?


143 posted on 05/19/2006 6:08:00 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen
Isn't the civics and history test portion of the naturalization process given in English?

Yes, but it is not very difficult. If I recall correctly it consists of 10 true-false questions.
144 posted on 05/19/2006 6:11:34 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc

Interesting. I haven't time to look up the details but I have a vague recollection of it asking questions a native born HS graduate could not likely answer correctly without study.


145 posted on 05/19/2006 8:16:30 AM PDT by Owen
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To: GarySpFc
Ahhhh, so pragmatisim rules the day, and people trying to immigrate here legally are shafted.

To an unfortunate degree I would say yes - But again, "we the people" are just as much to blame - When we allow a flawed system to continue to the point of which we have today....and then we have a man / POTUS looking to systematically and comprehensively address these problems without a doubt pragmatism is going to have to play a role in what can be done (from this point forward).

The notion that we are either going to round up 11 million people or have some new gestapo type police units out there going after businesses (for which many will have simply been duped by false ID cards, etc) is just not reasonable.

Again, the logistics alone (and you and I know logistics in any Operation is the bottom line) simply make the idea of mass deportation foolishness.

Our foolish and flawed temporary workers program helped grow this problem. A sizable portion of those currently here illegally...did not come here illegally as they came via the workers program...and then simply never returned (wrongly so! and thus they are illegal).

I believe GWB is taking a realistic and commonsense approach at how to address this 40 year in the making complex problem. Clearly not every decision made is going to be the "perfect decision" had this be dealt with from the beginning 40 (20) years ago.

146 posted on 05/19/2006 8:40:02 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: WOSG
You stated: "It also begs a simple question: Why not English only for all naturalized citizens? It should be a requirement for citizenship, right? "

It already is.

____________________________________________________________________________________

EXCERPT FROM HERE:

Welcome to the naturalization home page.
Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is conferred upon a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements established by Congress in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

The general requirements for administrative naturalization include:

a period of continuous residence and physical presence in the United States; residence in a particular USCIS District prior to filing;

an ability to read, write, and speak English;

a knowledge and understanding of U.S. history and government;

good moral character;

attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution; and, favorable disposition toward the United States.

________________________________________________________________________________

If you marched you don't qualify.

:)Easy Does It:)

147 posted on 05/19/2006 8:53:44 AM PDT by eazdzit (Register Independent CROSS OVER IN THE PRIMARIES!!! VOTE AGAINST CFR, NWO, GLOBALIST RepuboCrats !!)
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To: Tammy8; WOSG; All
Tammy8 posted: "I listened to every word of President Bush's speech, and read the transcript, he did not say that.

There is much to debate about this issue without putting words into anyone's mouth. "

I think it is fair to say that the president has gave sufficient reason to believe he feels that way, but is not likely to come right out and say so in those words.

That being said the important point that Tammy8 is making is this. We are short on time, we must stay focused and should not give anyone openings to derail our thinking or the message.

It is better to ignore the debatable stuff, source every point being made, challenge every unsourced opposing comment, and summarize at least one point in every post.

i.e. NO AMNESTY, NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP THAT STARTS WITH ILLEGAL ENTRY INTO OUR COUNTRY.

ENGLISH ONLY BALLOTS

:)Easy Does It:)

148 posted on 05/19/2006 9:16:39 AM PDT by eazdzit (Register Independent CROSS OVER IN THE PRIMARIES!!! VOTE AGAINST CFR, NWO, GLOBALIST RepuboCrats !!)
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To: eazdzit

Then it is an empty requirement. Many naturalized citizens do not know English, I know some personally.


149 posted on 05/19/2006 12:16:40 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: WOSG
Right you are, my friend.

This fact just shows the sheople effect on government employees in general. They try to keep the boss happy and stay out of the way.

In this area of responsibility most of management are political appointees and have limited experience.

Cheers.

:)Easy Does It:)

150 posted on 05/19/2006 10:11:44 PM PDT by eazdzit (Register Independent CROSS OVER IN THE PRIMARIES!!! VOTE AGAINST CFR, NWO, GLOBALIST RepuboCrats !!)
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