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Senate OKs Border Fence, Mulls Citizenship
AP ^ | 20 minutes ago | DAVID ESPO,

Posted on 05/17/2006 12:32:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: Shermy

Shermy, great point... it's absurd that 'border security' is now the 'compromise element' to bring the GOP on board what is 95% simply illegal immigrant legalization/amnesty,
when 'border security' is in the budget alrady and should have been done all along!

I also believe it is fundamentally wrong to not fix *INTERIOR ENFORCEMENT* too. Nobody is talking about it but it is more fundamentally broken than our border. Without the ability to deport ilegal immigrants and fine the employes of illegal immigrants, and without real verification programs, we continue to see illegal immigrant employment mushroom.


101 posted on 05/17/2006 2:38:02 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: Tammy8

This is what we know about Bush... We know he believes anyone in the world who wants to come here and work should be given an opportunity to do so. Anyone who comes here illegally and finds a job and is a "good law abiding person" should have their status here legalized. Don't get Bush wrong, he is not for "amnesty", but for allowing those who come here illegally to stay and work in the United States. For years, Bush has done virtually nothing on border security. Instead he proposed a couple of years ago, a guest worker program to allow more people to come here. He has called Americans who seek to protect the borders, vigilantes.


102 posted on 05/17/2006 2:41:09 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: DevSix

"If we are going to take this issue on...lets take it on completely is what he is correctly proposing."

*Completely*? Really now ... does Bush propose a comprehensive solution that includes a solution to the problem of illegal alien border crossers who come here to have children so they are US citizens an dcan later be used as 'anchor babies' to bring the whole family to the US? And on it on US taxpaer dime, since they are indigent and US law forbids turning them away from hospital emergency rooms?

What solution does Bush have? What do you propose for that?


103 posted on 05/17/2006 2:41:17 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: WOSG
Let me ask you, how many illegal immigrants will be deported under McCain-Kennedy or Hagel-Martinez?

You don't understand. Anyone who comes here illegally and obeys the law, should be allowed to stay and work. It is a matter of basic human rights and compassion to the President and his pro-amnesty buddies.

And if you disagree, Charles Krauthammer thinks you should have your medications adjusted. Bill Kristol thinks you are a "yahoo". Bush thinks you are not compassionate. And Fred Barnes thinks you are hurting the Republican Party. Who cares about the nation, we must care about the Republican Party at the expense of the nation. The neo-cons have taken over the Republican Party. You are a "nut" if you disagree with them. You may even be a racist.

Now who is responsible for "splitting" the Republican Party.

104 posted on 05/17/2006 2:48:23 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: kidd

Some fences are already there. There is a 23 mile fence south of San Diego on the border. There are other sections as well. All a fence does is act a force multiplier and it funnels the illegals to areas where we can control and detect them. There are also parts of the border that don't need fencing due the terrain, access, etc. This is a good start.

It is obvious by the votes that this is a sop to the conservative Reps who are really serious about border control, so they can vote for the final bill. I hope the House stands its grounds about citizenship. Although not desireable, I would accept some sort of permanent residency by never citizenship. You can't reward illegal behavior.

105 posted on 05/17/2006 2:54:45 PM PDT by kabar
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To: All

I just sent a new fax to my senators from numbersusa.com...

Dear Senator,

I was extremely disappointed by the President's immigration speech.


A recent Zogby poll shows that the enforcement-only approach of H.R. 4437, which most House Republicans supported in December, is the approach favored by most Americans.

The poll found that Americans want less, not more, immigration. Sixty-seven percent of respondents said immigration should be reduced so those already here are allowed to assimilate.

Furthermore, support for the enforcement-only approach cut across party lines, with 81 percent of Republicans, 72 percent of independents, and 57 percent of Democrats supporting it.

This suggests that the immigration plan the President outlined is not what a majority of Americans want. In fact, it is in direct contrast to what they want. Please pursue an enforcement-only immigration bill.

Cordially,

P.S. After having secured our borders I would support a more diversified guestworker program that includes all peoples of every nationality. Given that there is a long line of people in nations such as Vietnam, Cambodia and those of Africa, I do not believe it is fair to them to only include Mexicans and Central Americans as eligible for the guestworker program. Furthermore, I would be against offering the guestworker program to those already here illegally.

You can find this fax by proceeding to
http://www.numbersusa.com/faxes?ID=5520


106 posted on 05/17/2006 2:55:54 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: soccer_maniac

The media said King said Rove said President Bush said...? That is a few too many he saids for me. I will only believe President Bush said that when I hear it from him. Whatever is going on- don't forget the media is not your friend.


107 posted on 05/17/2006 3:02:06 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and secure the border!!!)
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To: DevSix

"He is looking to address this in a comprehensive and systematic process."

Actually, he's looking to placate the vast majority of voters while providing amnesty and calling it "guest worker." Unfortunately, some, including you, are falling for this sham.


108 posted on 05/17/2006 3:03:02 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: Robertsll

No joke. Bush really believes anyone who comes here looking for work and finds a job should be allowed to stay, so long as they are not a threat to this country. Bush is an "open borders" globalist.

Of course he is. He wants to 'encourage and help them' come, too! What he really wants is an army of slaves for companies (and other people) who want the cheapest labor possible without thinking of the big picutre and long term effects. Of course this is all under the guise of 'letting people in who want a better life.' Yeah, right. It's quite shocking, actually, how much he DOES NOT want to protect our borders and sovereignty.


109 posted on 05/17/2006 3:04:38 PM PDT by usmom
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To: Robertsll

"Don't get Bush wrong, he is not for 'amnesty,' but for allowing those who come here illegally to stay and work in the United States."

That's amnesty.


110 posted on 05/17/2006 3:08:25 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: Robertsll

" You don't understand. Anyone who comes here illegally and obeys the law, should be allowed to stay and work. It is a matter of basic human rights and compassion to the President and his pro-amnesty buddies."

For a second I didnt detect the sarcasm... never-mind the mind-warp that goes around "law-abiding illegal immigrant".

I think there is something to be said for 'compassion' in the sense of being reasonable in application of the law.
But undermining the rule of law on a massive scale is not compassionate nor wise, it is an incitement to disrepect of law and order.


111 posted on 05/17/2006 3:09:43 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: Condor51

Thanks. My Representative, Lipinski (D-IL), voted for HR4437.


112 posted on 05/17/2006 3:11:02 PM PDT by RonF
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To: usmom
Our nation needs slave labor to keep inflation down. We are printing tons of paper money to keep up with the deficits these false conservatives are running up in Congress. Therefore to combat inflation, we need to push middle class wages lower.

If you oppose cheap foreign labor, you are to blame for inflation. Not the people in charge of our monetary and fiscal policy, they are not to blame for inflation. It is people who make more than 20,000 a year and expect to make money. Corporations have every right to make tens of billions of dollars. That is their constitutional right. But for workers to share in any of that will result in inflation.

113 posted on 05/17/2006 3:11:31 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: WOSG
For a second I didnt detect the sarcasm

It was partly tongue in cheek. Don't forget that is what our president believes.

114 posted on 05/17/2006 3:13:19 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: BenLurkin
Amid increasingly emotional debate over election-year immigration legislation, senators voted 83-16 to add fencing and 500 miles of vehicle barriers along the southern border.

That amendment passed, too? It seems Sessions and company are chipping away at this bill little by little...but will it end up being enough to be effective?

115 posted on 05/17/2006 3:15:31 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: BenLurkin

Well, well, Congress seems to slowly be converging to the solution I've been advocating for over a year:

Tight border enforcement (including fences), tight internal enforcement, and a guest worker program. I just hope their 'mulling' citizenship ditches the fast-track to citizenship for folks who sunk in. A fast track to regular guest-worker status is fine with me (mostly for logistical reasons).


116 posted on 05/17/2006 3:38:34 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: BenLurkin

The Senate voted to build 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the Mexican border



Now, I thought that border was over 2,000 miles?


117 posted on 05/17/2006 3:39:31 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (You want my vote? I want border security and no criminals rewarded for criminal behavior)
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To: lemura
NO bill is better than this bill.

Amen.

118 posted on 05/17/2006 3:42:57 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Are you saying Steve King is lying?


119 posted on 05/17/2006 3:46:10 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Do some good while browsing FR --> Join our Folding@Home Team# 36120: keyword: folding@home)
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To: Tammy8

What did he say about tax cheating employers who hire illegals in his speech on Monday?


120 posted on 05/17/2006 3:48:36 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Do some good while browsing FR --> Join our Folding@Home Team# 36120: keyword: folding@home)
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