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Senate OKs Border Fence, Backs Citizenship
AP ^ | 05/17/2006 | By DAVID ESPO

Posted on 05/17/2006 4:21:08 PM PDT by notes2005

WASHINGTON - The Senate agreed to give millions of illegal immigrants a shot at U.S. citizenship and backed construction of 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the Mexican border Wednesday, but prospects of the legislation clearing Congress were clouded by a withering attack against President Bush by a prominent House Republican.

"Regardless of what the president says, what he is proposing is amnesty," said Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and the lawmaker who would lead House negotiators in any attempt to draft a compromise immigration bill later this year.

He said Bush had "basically turned his back" on a tough border security bill after encouraging the House to pass it last year.

Sensenbrenner's blast underscored the deep Republican divisions on immigration, and coincided with a clash among GOP senators on the Senate floor.

"This is not amnesty, so let's get the terms right," Sen. Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record) of Nebraska lectured fellow Republicans who condemned the bill. "Come on. Let's stop the nonsense."

"It sort of reminds me of the famous line, `Methinks thou dost protest too much,'" responded Sen. David Vitter, R-La., who repeatedly described the legislation as an amnesty bill for lawbreakers.

Ironically, the votes on the Senate floor gave fresh momentum to legislation that closely follows Bush's call for a broader bill that addresses the legal status of illegal immigrants as well as providing for a new guest worker program. Senate passage appears likely next week.

The political wheels turned as demonstrators massed within sight of the Capitol demanding greater rights for immigrants, the latest evidence of rising passions in connection with efforts to write the most significant overhaul of immigration law in two decades.

With the administration eager to emphasize its commitment to border security, officials continued to flesh out details of Bush's Monday night announcement that he would send up to 6,000 National Guard troops to states along the Mexican border.

Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, raised the possibility that Guard members could be sent over the objections of a state's governor.

"If a governor truly did not want this mission performed in their state, then the option is there for the president and the secretary of defense to federalize the Guard. And then the mission would be conducted, and then it would be without the control of the governor," he said.

Vitter led the drive to strip from the bill a provision giving an eventual chance at citizenship to illegal immigrants who have been in the country more than two years. His attempt failed, 66-33, at the hands of a bipartisan coalition, and the provision survived. In all, 41 Democrats joined with 24 Republicans and one independent to turn back the proposal. Opponents included the leaders of both parties, Sens. Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and Harry Reid, D-Nev. Thirty-one Republicans and two Democrats supported Vitter's amendment.

The vote to build what supporters called a "real fence" — as distinct from the virtual fence already incorporated in the legislation — was 83-16. It marked the first significant victory for conservatives eager to leave their stamp on a measure that looks increasingly like it is headed toward Senate passage.

Construction would send "a signal that open-border days are over. ... Good fences make good neighbors, fences don't make bad neighbors," said Sen. Jeff Sessions (news, bio, voting record), R-Ala. He said border areas where barriers are in place have experienced economic improvement and reduced crime.

"What we have here has become a symbol for the right wing in American politics," countered Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. He said if the proposal passed, "our relationship with Mexico would come down to a barrier between our two countries."

All Republicans and more than half the Senate's Democrats supported the proposal. A core group of bill supporters who have held off other more serious challenges in the past two days made little attempt to fight this one, judging it far less damaging than the attack on the citizenship provision or an attempt on Tuesday to strip out a guest worker program.

The Senate labored to complete work by next week on immigration legislation that generally follows an outline Bush set out in his nationally televised speech this week.

The measure includes provisions to strengthen border security, create a new guest worker program and crack down on the hiring of illegal immigrants as well as the controversial steps offering illegal immigrants an eventual opportunity to become citizens.

Supporters of the Senate measure credited Bush's prime-time Monday night speech with giving fresh momentum to the effort to pass long-stalled legislation.

Across the Capitol in the House, the story was different. Republicans pushed through a border security bill last year, and several members of the rank-and-file have criticized Bush for his proposals. To calm their concerns, the White House dispatched Karl Rove to discuss immigration with the House Republicans at their weekly closed-door meeting.

Rep. Steve King (news, bio, voting record), R-Iowa, an outspoken opponent of the Senate bill, derided the effort. "I didn't see it was a persuasive event. If it was about Karl Rove seeking to convince members of Congress after debate that he's right and we're wrong it would have been better not to have the meeting," he said.

King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

Rep. Peter King (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y., agreed that Rove did not seem to have been persuasive. "It's not the kind of issue you can compromise on; either you're giving amnesty to people who are here illegally or you aren't."

The National Capital Immigration Coalition organized the afternoon demonstration on the National Mall a few blocks from where lawmakers debated the issue they cared about.

"This is a critical moment. We oppose the militarization of the U.S-Mexican border," said Juan Jose Gutierrez, one of the event's organizers.


TOPICS: Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; borderfence; southernborder
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To: notes2005
...370 miles of triple-layered fencing

Tritple-layered fencing is a good idea, but why only 370 miles?

How high will the fence be? How much extra would it cost to make the middle fence electrical?

21 posted on 05/17/2006 4:40:41 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: notes2005
If Martinez (RINO-Florida) voted for this I will not support him if he runs for re-election. I wouldn't have anyway, of course, because of his NIMBY position on Gulf drilling.

Vaya con Dios, Mel!

22 posted on 05/17/2006 4:40:41 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Neither a Bushbot nor a Bushbasher.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
"The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

Bush has now crossed the line which Clinton drew in 1998.

His failure to protect America at home is an impeachable offense.

Mr. President, family values do stop at the Rio Grande.

If they cross the river, you become a proponent of lawlessness......

and sir...then you are as much a scumbag as Clinton!!!!

23 posted on 05/17/2006 4:41:02 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I'm a proud GRINGO......is Bill Clinton still the president?...Seems that way sometimes!)
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To: notes2005
"What we have here has become a symbol for the right wing in American politics," countered Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. He said if the proposal passed, "our relationship with Mexico would come down to a barrier between our two countries."

Sorry, the rhetoric won't play in Peoria anymore, Durbin...not since the criminal invaders have been prancing in the streets in our faces. In fact, looks like most of the country is becoming "right wing" on this issue.

24 posted on 05/17/2006 4:44:26 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Tai_Chung

The truth is that they can set up a any of several types of detection systems that would inform agents when the first wall was breached. By the time they got over the second wall then the agents could be waiting to pick them up. The truth is that those that are leading our country have reasons why they don't want to stop illegal immigration. They do not love America at all. They hate it. We need to start replacing them with people who do love America, or it will be destroyed.


25 posted on 05/17/2006 4:44:39 PM PDT by Revel
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To: notes2005

Sensenbrenner and the patriotic Republican Congressmen should call Pelosi and make a deal to impeach Bush for dereliction of duty. You know she'll jump at the chance and between them they could really make some waves. Even if they couldn't pull it off it would probably sidetrack and maybe even cripple the amnesty bill and send a loud and clear message that not even Sr. Arbusto would fail to understand.


26 posted on 05/17/2006 4:44:45 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: vetsvette
"King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

This is a joke, right? Somebody please tell me it's really 1975 and Chevy Chase is reading this line off the teleprompter.

Please?

27 posted on 05/17/2006 4:47:48 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: notes2005
OK, House. Your marching orders are, Kill it!

No bill is better than this bill or anything like it!

28 posted on 05/17/2006 4:49:50 PM PDT by Gritty (The Senate bill is amnesty wrapped in bureaucracy surrounded by fraud J.D. Hayworth, R-AZ)
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To: notes2005
It's amazing to hear what these nitwits are saying. They're supposed to be representing US, not Mexico. They must be getting some bit $$$ from the open borders/slave labor advocates to turn their backs on the existing laws.

Sensenbrenner speaks for the majority of America. Lawbreakers should not be rewarded with anything, least of all a chance at citizenship.

President Bush has failed us miserably, and has encouraged the next 10 million to come by advocating amnesty (no matter what he calls it).

No more votes for open borders politicians, no matter which party they claim to represent!

29 posted on 05/17/2006 4:53:35 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Screamname
So if millions of people robs banks, they too can look forward to amnesty. So hey gang, what are we waiting for?? I get dibs on Citibank!!

You want to be an undocumented bank employee? I myself am working up to be an undocumented pharmaceutical merchant. ;)

We don't have enough room in prisons for millions of undocumented bank employees. It will cost more to incarcerate them than the money they "worked" ("unlawfully" seize from banks) to get out of the economy. But, if I were you I would wait until there are more undocumented bank employees before becoming one.

30 posted on 05/17/2006 4:54:55 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: gubamyster

Time to deport Congress.


31 posted on 05/17/2006 4:57:40 PM PDT by Ruddles
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To: janetgreen
They're supposed to be representing US, not Mexico. They must be getting some bit $$$ from the open borders/slave labor advocates to turn their backs on the existing laws.

I hope they choke on it.

32 posted on 05/17/2006 4:57:44 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: notes2005
Nothing less than this will do:
34 posted on 05/17/2006 4:58:17 PM PDT by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: clintonh8r
If Martinez (RINO-Florida) voted for this I will not support him if he runs for re-election. I wouldn't have anyway, of course, because of his NIMBY position on Gulf drilling.

I would do likewise if I were you. But atleast he has not gone BANANAs like the Democrats. BANANA = Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything.

35 posted on 05/17/2006 4:58:34 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: notes2005
Open the border to all who can crawl, walk, stumble across.

Withdrawal all border agents, tear down the any thing that resembles a wall or obstacle to get in here.

Let the millions upon millions of the turd world population in here free and with out restraint.

Replace all republican representative with progressive socialist liberals and their moronic ideas.

Double the tax rate, expand all government programs

Darn it, please do it already and reap the whirlwind of our stupidity.

I'd come back in 20 years after it crashes and burns and the people of this country want to rein in their government and control their borders, stop terrorism and be a Republic again.

I wish I could buy an island or finds a Galts Gulch.

Sorry, I'm just about over this crap my vote for republicans being treated like a crack ho

36 posted on 05/17/2006 5:01:28 PM PDT by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: notes2005

What we have here has become a symbol for the right wing in American politics," countered Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. He said if the proposal passed, "our relationship with Mexico would come down to a barrier between our two countries."

One could only hope Dicky boy.


37 posted on 05/17/2006 5:02:03 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Algernon Sidney
Bush is a War President with a mandate. As Patriotic Americans, we must trust him in his role as the Decider.

Then let him refrain from taking a position on illegal immigration. We put him in office the second time to fight the war on terror - let him do so, and leave the immigration issues to others who will serve the will of the American people.
38 posted on 05/17/2006 5:02:44 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

This is a one finger salute from our government to those waiting their turn to immigrate legally and to us the US citizens who demand that the laws protecting the rights of those waiting to immigrate legally be respected and enforced.


39 posted on 05/17/2006 5:05:37 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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To: notes2005

We must all remember, that these soon to be made citizens, do NOT pledge allegiance to the U.S. they hold DUAL citizenship, and plan to return to their home countries after they have send quite a sizeable sum home. How does that help us?

Did NAFTA give away our US sovereignty?


40 posted on 05/17/2006 5:07:22 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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