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Senate OKs Border Fence, Backs Citizenship
AP ^ | 05/17/2006 | By DAVID ESPO

Posted on 05/17/2006 4:21:08 PM PDT by notes2005

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1 posted on 05/17/2006 4:21:10 PM PDT by notes2005
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ping


2 posted on 05/17/2006 4:23:55 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: notes2005

"This is not amnesty, so let's get the terms right,"

P-A-R-D-O-N


3 posted on 05/17/2006 4:25:01 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: notes2005
demanding greater rights for immigrants

Whats wrong with this sentence? First it is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION as the issue not immigration. Second, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS have no rights so you cannot add to them!

4 posted on 05/17/2006 4:27:27 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: notes2005

"Path to Citizenship" ping


5 posted on 05/17/2006 4:27:44 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (lead ,follow or get out of the majority.start with our borders.)
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To: notes2005

So if milllions of people robs banks, they too can look forward to amnesty. So hey gang, what are we waiting for?? I get dibs on Citibank!!


6 posted on 05/17/2006 4:28:07 PM PDT by Screamname (By God, pray for me, someone help me please! Hillary is my Senator! HELP MEEE!)
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To: notes2005
""What we have here has become a symbol for the right wing in American politics," countered Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. He said if the proposal passed, "our relationship with Mexico would come down to a barrier between our two countries."

Yes, that would be the point.

sw

7 posted on 05/17/2006 4:28:54 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife) ("The Devils in the Details")..(Sen David Vitter)
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To: notes2005

No Amnesty for politicians who vote for amnesty.


8 posted on 05/17/2006 4:28:55 PM PDT by Lexington Green (Illegal Immigration? Politicians just pass more laws that will not be enforced.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
Bingo! Pardon for criminals.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

9 posted on 05/17/2006 4:30:13 PM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: notes2005
Wave the white flag......

why do we fight in Iraq but shut our eyes to the invasion here?

A waste ......a waste......

what has happened to the American spirit?

10 posted on 05/17/2006 4:30:46 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I'm a proud GRINGO......is Bill Clinton still the president?...Seems that way sometimes!)
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To: notes2005
King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Nothing in there about immigration...guess Pres. Bush is good to go
11 posted on 05/17/2006 4:31:06 PM PDT by stylin19a (There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
"King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life.""

Rep. King understands the situation perfectly, The President doesn't want to do anything that inconveniences any illegal alien. He clearly doesn't feel any obligation to represent the American people on this subject, his only feelings of obligation are toward Vincente Fox and the "potential citizens" (and voters) Mexico sends over the border.
12 posted on 05/17/2006 4:31:40 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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"The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

That would be about half the population of earth, Presidente Bush!

13 posted on 05/17/2006 4:32:47 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Terroristas-beyond your expectations!)
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"The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

"The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

"The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

14 posted on 05/17/2006 4:34:48 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Virtual Presidency
15 posted on 05/17/2006 4:35:10 PM PDT by fantom
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To: All
PLEASE CALL YOUR HOUSE REPRESENTATIVES

http://www.house.gov/

16 posted on 05/17/2006 4:35:36 PM PDT by notes2005
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To: notes2005
My plan..........

Here's a plan even the Democrats will love.......... Millions of people are trying to get into this country.

Let's make some big bucks on that fact.

First....set a number of legal immigrants each year...say 1,2 or 3 million.

Second....run a lottery that's open to the whole world.....criminals not eligible......

Each chance will cost $1000 and the drawing will occur every 3 months.

Potential immigrants can submit as many chances as they want....so the richer people with education and higher skills have an advantage.

I'd be conservative if I said the government would make several $billions each year.....

money that could be invested in tighter border security, more guards or fences.

This would work if illegal entry was punishable in every instance with a severe fine and or instant deportation.

Children born to illegals while on American soil would not become instant citizens...

This plan would be much fairer than allowing a disproportionate number of Mexicans to cross the border.

It would take some backbone but it would send a clear message to the entire world that a life in America is a privilege.

The alternative will mean civil war.

When the economy cycles into the next recession, Mexicans and Anglos will be literally fighting hand to hand for the few available jobs!

17 posted on 05/17/2006 4:35:36 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I'm a proud GRINGO......is Bill Clinton still the president?...Seems that way sometimes!)
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To: notes2005

The day they get amnesty I want a call from the Courthouse in Spokane to setup a date so I can go and take the oath and get my citizenship...

Amnesty is a load of crap, why do they get to jump right in with both feet, it's an insult to all of use who have played the INS/DHS hoop jumping game.

{/PO'd


18 posted on 05/17/2006 4:35:36 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Screamname

I heard an interesting argument when reading a Rush transcript. Compare their attitude on the war on drugs to the war on ILLEGAL immigration. They don't throw their hands up in despair and say we can't stop the war on drugs do they? They sure do when it comes to illegal immigration.


19 posted on 05/17/2006 4:39:56 PM PDT by Revel
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To: notes2005
"...370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the Mexican border"

And I heard there's 500 miles of additional vehicle barriers approved by the Senate as well.

This is a good start.

Let's get control of the borders and then decide how to handle those who are already here.

I have no problem with productive and contributing people being given a chance at citizenship when all is said and done.

20 posted on 05/17/2006 4:40:34 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: notes2005
...370 miles of triple-layered fencing

Tritple-layered fencing is a good idea, but why only 370 miles?

How high will the fence be? How much extra would it cost to make the middle fence electrical?

21 posted on 05/17/2006 4:40:41 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: notes2005
If Martinez (RINO-Florida) voted for this I will not support him if he runs for re-election. I wouldn't have anyway, of course, because of his NIMBY position on Gulf drilling.

Vaya con Dios, Mel!

22 posted on 05/17/2006 4:40:41 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Neither a Bushbot nor a Bushbasher.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
"The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

Bush has now crossed the line which Clinton drew in 1998.

His failure to protect America at home is an impeachable offense.

Mr. President, family values do stop at the Rio Grande.

If they cross the river, you become a proponent of lawlessness......

and sir...then you are as much a scumbag as Clinton!!!!

23 posted on 05/17/2006 4:41:02 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I'm a proud GRINGO......is Bill Clinton still the president?...Seems that way sometimes!)
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To: notes2005
"What we have here has become a symbol for the right wing in American politics," countered Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. He said if the proposal passed, "our relationship with Mexico would come down to a barrier between our two countries."

Sorry, the rhetoric won't play in Peoria anymore, Durbin...not since the criminal invaders have been prancing in the streets in our faces. In fact, looks like most of the country is becoming "right wing" on this issue.

24 posted on 05/17/2006 4:44:26 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Tai_Chung

The truth is that they can set up a any of several types of detection systems that would inform agents when the first wall was breached. By the time they got over the second wall then the agents could be waiting to pick them up. The truth is that those that are leading our country have reasons why they don't want to stop illegal immigration. They do not love America at all. They hate it. We need to start replacing them with people who do love America, or it will be destroyed.


25 posted on 05/17/2006 4:44:39 PM PDT by Revel
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To: notes2005

Sensenbrenner and the patriotic Republican Congressmen should call Pelosi and make a deal to impeach Bush for dereliction of duty. You know she'll jump at the chance and between them they could really make some waves. Even if they couldn't pull it off it would probably sidetrack and maybe even cripple the amnesty bill and send a loud and clear message that not even Sr. Arbusto would fail to understand.


26 posted on 05/17/2006 4:44:45 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: vetsvette
"King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

This is a joke, right? Somebody please tell me it's really 1975 and Chevy Chase is reading this line off the teleprompter.

Please?

27 posted on 05/17/2006 4:47:48 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: notes2005
OK, House. Your marching orders are, Kill it!

No bill is better than this bill or anything like it!

28 posted on 05/17/2006 4:49:50 PM PDT by Gritty (The Senate bill is amnesty wrapped in bureaucracy surrounded by fraud J.D. Hayworth, R-AZ)
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It's amazing to hear what these nitwits are saying. They're supposed to be representing US, not Mexico. They must be getting some bit $$$ from the open borders/slave labor advocates to turn their backs on the existing laws.

Sensenbrenner speaks for the majority of America. Lawbreakers should not be rewarded with anything, least of all a chance at citizenship.

President Bush has failed us miserably, and has encouraged the next 10 million to come by advocating amnesty (no matter what he calls it).

No more votes for open borders politicians, no matter which party they claim to represent!

29 posted on 05/17/2006 4:53:35 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Screamname
So if millions of people robs banks, they too can look forward to amnesty. So hey gang, what are we waiting for?? I get dibs on Citibank!!

You want to be an undocumented bank employee? I myself am working up to be an undocumented pharmaceutical merchant. ;)

We don't have enough room in prisons for millions of undocumented bank employees. It will cost more to incarcerate them than the money they "worked" ("unlawfully" seize from banks) to get out of the economy. But, if I were you I would wait until there are more undocumented bank employees before becoming one.

30 posted on 05/17/2006 4:54:55 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: gubamyster

Time to deport Congress.


31 posted on 05/17/2006 4:57:40 PM PDT by Ruddles
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To: janetgreen
They're supposed to be representing US, not Mexico. They must be getting some bit $$$ from the open borders/slave labor advocates to turn their backs on the existing laws.

I hope they choke on it.

32 posted on 05/17/2006 4:57:44 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: notes2005
Nothing less than this will do:
34 posted on 05/17/2006 4:58:17 PM PDT by Buffettfan (VIVA LA MIGRA! - LONG LIVE THE MINUTEMEN!)
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To: clintonh8r
If Martinez (RINO-Florida) voted for this I will not support him if he runs for re-election. I wouldn't have anyway, of course, because of his NIMBY position on Gulf drilling.

I would do likewise if I were you. But atleast he has not gone BANANAs like the Democrats. BANANA = Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything.

35 posted on 05/17/2006 4:58:34 PM PDT by Robertsll
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To: notes2005
Open the border to all who can crawl, walk, stumble across.

Withdrawal all border agents, tear down the any thing that resembles a wall or obstacle to get in here.

Let the millions upon millions of the turd world population in here free and with out restraint.

Replace all republican representative with progressive socialist liberals and their moronic ideas.

Double the tax rate, expand all government programs

Darn it, please do it already and reap the whirlwind of our stupidity.

I'd come back in 20 years after it crashes and burns and the people of this country want to rein in their government and control their borders, stop terrorism and be a Republic again.

I wish I could buy an island or finds a Galts Gulch.

Sorry, I'm just about over this crap my vote for republicans being treated like a crack ho

36 posted on 05/17/2006 5:01:28 PM PDT by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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To: notes2005

What we have here has become a symbol for the right wing in American politics," countered Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill. He said if the proposal passed, "our relationship with Mexico would come down to a barrier between our two countries."

One could only hope Dicky boy.


37 posted on 05/17/2006 5:02:03 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Algernon Sidney
Bush is a War President with a mandate. As Patriotic Americans, we must trust him in his role as the Decider.

Then let him refrain from taking a position on illegal immigration. We put him in office the second time to fight the war on terror - let him do so, and leave the immigration issues to others who will serve the will of the American people.
38 posted on 05/17/2006 5:02:44 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

This is a one finger salute from our government to those waiting their turn to immigrate legally and to us the US citizens who demand that the laws protecting the rights of those waiting to immigrate legally be respected and enforced.


39 posted on 05/17/2006 5:05:37 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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To: notes2005

We must all remember, that these soon to be made citizens, do NOT pledge allegiance to the U.S. they hold DUAL citizenship, and plan to return to their home countries after they have send quite a sizeable sum home. How does that help us?

Did NAFTA give away our US sovereignty?


40 posted on 05/17/2006 5:07:22 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Jorge

How about keeping the faith with those who respect our laws and are waiting to immigrate legally. What the hell are they, chopped liver?


41 posted on 05/17/2006 5:08:25 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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To: notes2005
"...370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the Mexican border..."

I was born a night, but it wasn't last night. 370 miles of fence is a cruel and pathetic joke. If these Klondikes can build 370 miles of fence they can just as easily build 2000 miles of fence. When they agree to that, I'll start to take them seriously. Until then, they're only circulating hot air.

42 posted on 05/17/2006 5:08:37 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: gubamyster

Who the hell came up with a 370 mile fence? The insanity continues.


43 posted on 05/17/2006 5:09:46 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: notes2005

"This is not amnesty, so let's get the terms right," Sen. Chuck Hagel ....lectured fellow Republicans who condemned the bill. "Come on. Let's stop the nonsense."

I just love these condescending and insulting Senators.
What's next for Hagel / Martinez ?
A bill making the penalty for breaking and entering - that you automatically become a member of the family whose home you just burgled ?


44 posted on 05/17/2006 5:10:31 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

>Bush has now crossed the line which Clinton drew in 1998.<

Certified!

I don't know who he gets his marching orders from, but I'll guess B bergs.

Look, we've now got over 12 million here, and look at the "peacefull" marches. They are here for One Reason. Riots.

Gee, then all the sheep will want/need More Homeland Security.

Sorta plays like a class c disney movie, all too predictable.


45 posted on 05/17/2006 5:12:01 PM PDT by Joined2Justify (tagline removed for security reasons)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

A bill making the penalty for breaking and entering - that you automatically become a member of the family whose home you just burgled ?

I thought that WAS what they were working on. hmmmm couldn't tell the difference.


46 posted on 05/17/2006 5:12:16 PM PDT by sheana
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To: F.J. Mitchell
How about keeping the faith with those who respect our laws and are waiting to immigrate legally. What the hell are they, chopped liver?

Who ever suggested NOT keeping faith with those trying to immigrate legally?

Giving others a break doesn't necessarily have to take anything away from them.

47 posted on 05/17/2006 5:15:36 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Revel

Without first over whelming the USA with a illiterate majority, the new world order will never happen. Both parties want it to happen. Neither gives a damn what we want.


48 posted on 05/17/2006 5:18:33 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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To: Algernon Sidney
Bush is a War President with a mandate. As Patriotic Americans, we must trust him in his role as the Decider. Questioning him in a time of war only gives aid and comfort to our enemies

You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking.

49 posted on 05/17/2006 5:18:46 PM PDT by dagogo redux (I never met a Dem yet who didn't understand a slap in the face, or a slug from a 45)
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To: notes2005

This is like putting a fench around one tenth of your yard and calling it secure.


50 posted on 05/17/2006 5:19:39 PM PDT by Revel
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