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Senate OKs Border Fence, Backs Citizenship
AP ^ | 05/17/2006 | By DAVID ESPO

Posted on 05/17/2006 4:21:08 PM PDT by notes2005

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To: Wild Irish Rogue
"This is not amnesty, so let's get the terms right," Sen. Chuck Hagel ....lectured fellow Republicans who condemned the bill. "Come on. Let's stop the nonsense."

I agree with him. And President Bush. It's not amnesty.

I call free and automatic legal status at no cost, amnesty.

That is not what is being proposed.

Of course those who disagree can call it amnesty or shamnesty or anything they want. I really don't care.

51 posted on 05/17/2006 5:21:18 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

We have reached the point where Eternal Rome, before the forces of Alaric in 410 AD, caved in rather than fight. The invasion in 410 was quite similar, a population push and a wish to benefit from the wealth of the established nation.


52 posted on 05/17/2006 5:22:33 PM PDT by sine_nomine (No more RINO presidents. We need another Reagan.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

You read my mind.


53 posted on 05/17/2006 5:23:49 PM PDT by Revel
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

"The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

Words just can't describe the disgust I feel about this statement. What about the inconvenience of the American citizens that have to pay for this?


54 posted on 05/17/2006 5:27:43 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: notes2005

NO DEPORT THEM...


55 posted on 05/17/2006 5:28:04 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Jorge
"Of course those who disagree can call it amnesty or shamnesty or anything they want. I really don't care."

Hey Jorge. Let me explain to you when it's not amnesty. It's not amnesty when they go back to their country of origin and apply for either citizenship or a work visa through the already established protocols. There now, wasn't that easy? Have I missed something here? No? I thought not.

56 posted on 05/17/2006 5:28:53 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: Revel

As they say, Revel, "Great minds think alike."


57 posted on 05/17/2006 5:35:22 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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To: Desron13
There now, wasn't that easy? Have I missed something here? No? I thought not.

Uh, yeah Desron13, you missed a lot.

Mainly the huge and obvious fact that you don't define what amnesty is for all of us.

Sorry, but many of us say you're wrong. Get used to it.

58 posted on 05/17/2006 5:46:48 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: notes2005
They can call it whatever they want but its amnesty. And they're willing to build a fence only for 370 miles of the border. What a joke!

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

59 posted on 05/17/2006 5:48:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Desron13
"Hey Jorge. Let me explain to you when it's not amnesty. It's not amnesty when they go back to their country of origin and apply for either citizenship or a work visa through the already established protocols. There now, wasn't that easy? Have I missed something here? No? I thought not."

Excellent post!

60 posted on 05/17/2006 5:48:58 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Jorge
Huh? How about the many years longer that those wishing to immigrate legally spend waiting their turn, while illegals jump ahead of them and establish longevity, property ownership, a dozen anchor children, and hundreds of thousands of dollars in wages?

A criminal can never be rewarded for their crime without screwing an honest law abiding citizen and making a complete mockery,of both letter and intent of the law that was scorned.
61 posted on 05/17/2006 5:50:06 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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To: Popman; All
Cheer up Popman!
Do you have any idea how long and how hard many people have worked to force our federal elected government to start seriously addressing to this particular problem?
Many good FReepers have been banned, and/or labeled racists by demanding everyone pay attention and resolve this very serious problem that affects every single citizen in this country.
It is possible to step over the posting guidelines when one feels passionate about any issue, but it happens.
I have had a time out or two myself, on various topics.
President Bush made his position clear prior to his election in 2000, and has never varied from his stance on this issue.
I disagree with his stated position vehemently, but I also wholeheartedly applaud him for having the integrity and guts to not only maintain his oft stated position, but also to force other politicians, and this entire country, to finally fully address this pervasive problem, and resolve it.
He has had one or two very high priority, and unanticipated, crisis issues to deal with since his first election...
62 posted on 05/17/2006 5:56:23 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
We were so lucky to be here back in the old days when it was proper to discuss such matters. It gives us a lot more in-site as to what is going on.
63 posted on 05/17/2006 5:59:54 PM PDT by Revel
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To: notes2005

"What we've got here is...a failure to communicate.."


64 posted on 05/17/2006 6:01:20 PM PDT by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
A criminal can never be rewarded for their crime without screwing an honest law abiding citizen ...

Nonsense.

Giving a speeder a warning instead of a ticket doesn't screw those who obey the speed limit one bit.

Nor does the fact a speeder might arrive at his destination a few minutes earlier than those who obey the speed limit.

If I agree to work all day for a certain wage, and my boss hires somebody who works half a day and gives him the same pay, that has not cost me a thing.

According to your argument nobody should ever be given a break for anthing.

Frankly it's childish.

65 posted on 05/17/2006 6:01:22 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: All
Immigration Reform Bill of 1986 2006

Hey! Look! A shiny new immigration law to ignore! Hurray!

Famous one liners:

"Take my wife.. please!"

"To qualify as legal residents the 'undocumented workers' will have to obey the law, learn English, stay employed, pay a big fine, and pay back taxes."

66 posted on 05/17/2006 6:28:45 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: notes2005
I really want to be happy about the fence, but how can I be? This sucks...
67 posted on 05/17/2006 6:30:05 PM PDT by Zeon Cowboy (.blogspot.com)
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To: Algernon Sidney
Bush is a War President with a mandate. As Patriotic Americans, we must trust him in his role as the Decider. Questioning him in a time of war only gives aid and comfort to our enemies.

Bush is giving aid and comfort to an invading force that will do more potential harm to America than all the terrorists in the middle east!

A once great nation is selling out it's culture and traditions to a swarm of locusts.

I'm afraid Bush will rank right up there with Jimmy Carter when the dust settles senor.

68 posted on 05/17/2006 6:45:07 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I'm a proud GRINGO......is Bill Clinton still the president?...Seems that way sometimes!)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Bush is becoming Jimmy Carter the second. Never have a seen a President that is totally working against America's interests. Ronald Reagan would be rolling over in his grave. If he were alive, he would certainly see what a mistake his 86 bill was try to change it.


69 posted on 05/17/2006 7:46:04 PM PDT by lone star annie
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To: Jorge

Thanks for the laughs, Jorge,but such inane comparisons is indicative of over exposure to the brain eating fungus of liberalism.



70 posted on 05/17/2006 7:48:44 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Yep the fence is good but blanket amnesty is bad. It makes those who wait for legal immigration wish they had jumped the border and worked without paying taxes.

And who knows what Fifth Column members came in since 9/11. Perhaps they haven't done anything ... yet ...


71 posted on 05/17/2006 8:28:58 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: lone star annie

The good provisions of the 1986 bill, including enforcing employer penalties, were never enacted...only the amnesty part. And who was VP at the time, and became president 2 years later... ? And son is president now, with the drastically lower scores on employer sanctions than Clinton...


72 posted on 05/17/2006 8:30:32 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God Bless Our Troops...including U.S. Border Patrol, America's First Line of Defense)
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To: truthkeeper
>>"King said Rove told lawmakers Bush is sincere about enforcement. But, he added, "The president doesn't want to enforce immigration law because he's afraid he'll inconvenience someone who wants to come into the country for a better life."

This is a joke, right? Somebody please tell me it's really 1975 and Chevy Chase is reading this line off the teleprompter.

Please?

Sadly, no.

Depressing isn't it? Why can't anyone talk some common sense into Dubya? Hello, Laura....?

73 posted on 05/17/2006 8:38:04 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: La Enchiladita
It really makes you wonder doesn't it? It's disgraceful the way he'll try to stand up to anyone else on a varitey of issues but he capitulates again and again to Fox on this critical front....
74 posted on 05/17/2006 8:43:11 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Cyropaedia

At one time, I believed he was our cowboy on a white horse. Our John Wayne. And ol' Wayne was tough on illegals, way back when....

*sigh*


75 posted on 05/17/2006 8:55:18 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God Bless Our Troops...including U.S. Border Patrol, America's First Line of Defense)
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To: notes2005

"The best defense is a good $1,000,000,000-fence."


76 posted on 05/18/2006 9:41:54 AM PDT by mikrofon (A fencive strategy)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
Posting juvenile insults tells me you are unable to articulate a coherant rebutal to my arguments.

I'm not surprised.

77 posted on 05/18/2006 3:27:28 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge

I really was laughing at your argument, I didn't mean it as an insult, juvenile or otherwise.


78 posted on 05/18/2006 7:13:02 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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To: Revel

BUMP!


79 posted on 05/18/2006 7:15:58 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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To: notes2005

Iam glad my Father didn't live long enough to see this day.


80 posted on 05/18/2006 7:21:15 PM PDT by heights
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To: F.J. Mitchell
...I didn't mean it as an insult, juvenile or otherwise.

So you didn't mean this;
F.J. Mitchell;"is indicative of over exposure to the brain eating fungus of liberalism."
..as an insult.

OK.

81 posted on 05/18/2006 7:21:23 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge

Of course not.


82 posted on 05/18/2006 7:27:52 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
LOL.

Sarcasm...I gotta love it :)

83 posted on 05/19/2006 5:17:41 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

and we thought the pardon's Clinton gave out his last night were suspect.


84 posted on 05/19/2006 5:18:33 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Jorge

Thanks Jorge.

I apologize for those insulting posts.


85 posted on 05/19/2006 8:03:57 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (A government that will not enforce the laws of the land, is a government standing on quicksand.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
Not to worry.

You can disagree with me anytime you like.

I could think of less enjoyable opponents :)

86 posted on 05/19/2006 10:30:26 PM PDT by Jorge
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