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So Rep. Murtha Accused American Marines of Cold-Blooded Murder... So What?
FR/Various news outlets ^ | 5/17/06 | Me

Posted on 05/17/2006 5:58:24 PM PDT by Coop

MATTHEWS: Draw us a picture of what happened in Haditha.

MURTHA: Well I'll tell you exactly what happened. One Marine was killed and the Marines just said we're gonna take care...we don't know who the enemy is, the pressure was too much on them, so they went into houses and actually killed civilians and...I...

MATTHEWS: Was this My Lai? When you say cold blood Congressman, a lot of people think you're basically saying you've got some civilians sitting in a room or out in a field and they're executed on purpose...

MURTHA: That's exactly what happened.

MATTHEWS: ...not because any of the Marines are scared or anybody is scared...

MURTHA: ...this was not an action...this was not...first they tried to say it was an IED, there was no IED involved in this. This was troops, they were so stressed out, they went into houses and killed children, women and children. 24 people they killed. Now this is the kind of stress they are under. Listen, I don't excuse it, but I understand what's happening and the responsibility goes right to the top. This is something that should not have happened, that should have been investigated, they've already relieved three commanding officers...but this is the kind of stuff...stress is going to cause these kind of things. That's why I'm so upset about it.

MATTHEWS: Congressman, I just want to read something from the Marine Corps and then you can continue. The Marine Corps told us today that they're not going to comment today because the investigation is still ongoing. So they're investigating...

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To: Coop

I'm pretty sure it was her. She looked to be in that age group and was just smiling and chatting away with the soldiers. She clearly had some sort of leadership position there and most of the soldiers seemed to know her.


261 posted on 05/19/2006 5:41:50 AM PDT by Allegra (Tards Rule!)
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To: Coop

Has Murtha had a physical exam lately... could be the begining signs of Alzheimers..


262 posted on 05/19/2006 5:42:41 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Steer Clear Of Large Metropolitian Areas Because The Liberals Will Reap What They Sow.)
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To: tomnbeverly

More like end stage, if you ask me.


263 posted on 05/19/2006 5:44:12 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Dinah Lord

Thought you might be interested in this thread.


264 posted on 05/19/2006 6:04:05 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop
I read somewhere (wish I could remember where) that the three officers were reassigned within their division. I'm not completely up-to-date on current UCMJ investigation guidelines, but this could be SOP during an investigation.It shouldn't be any assumption by Murtha or anyone else that they failed as leaders.

I ran across this post a few minutes ago on another forum. It makes some very fairminded points IMO.

1. It is troop bashing when guilt is assumed prior to the facts being presented and the UCMJ process has a chance to litigate the matter. The assumption should be, we don't know what happened and until all the facts are known we choose to believe the best of our military.

2. We were attacked by a murderous enemy and we are in the middle of a global war against Islamic terrorism. Thus, two things must be remembered: (a) War is never a tidy affair and while misconduct will happen in war, such incidents should not condemn the 99+% of soldiers performing their duties in a professional, honorable and quite often heroic manner. Such rare incidents likewise do not indicate the civilian military leadership and the administration in power approved of or covered-up such conduct.(b) Facts in such incidents always change over time and a rush to judgment is grossly unfair.

3) I get weary of the left claiming Bush lied or ignored facts. Most of the facts surrounding this war cannot be clear and cannot be fully disclosed, and America still expects the country to wage an effective war. Charges by the opposing party do not equal absolute proof of guilt.

4) When Murtha compared this incident to My Lai (1968), even before the investigation is completed and the military justice system has a chance to deal with whatever may have happend, is grossly irresponsible and partisan in the extreme.

5) If the report indicates nothing criminal happened or that no conduct unbecoming was involved, the left will claim a cover-up. If the report indicates something may have happened, the left will make claims of absolute guilt.

Since our military sacrifice their lives, fortunes and their families in defense of liberty, it seems that the least they deserve is the presumption on innocence unless and until the legal system judges otherwise. Is that so unreasonable? Is constant assumption of guilt by the left, following any accusation, because of their hatred for Bush seem fair?

This is about 20 comments down from the title post at the link.The site is "Expose the Left".

Caution:I don't recommend this site to everyone.There is profanity and both left and right post there.But it does give you a sense of what the moonbats are saying without having to enter the cesspool at DU.

Dems obsessed with bashing troops about Haditha

265 posted on 05/19/2006 6:23:33 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission http://www.irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing
Yeah, I didn't last very long reading those posts. But thanks for bringing a very good one onto this thread.

Now answer my FReepmail!! :-)

266 posted on 05/19/2006 6:29:37 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Justanobody
You should've seen the post I didn't get to put up! Anybody want half a can of whoopass? It's a shame to let it go to waste ;-)

BTW, thanks for the shopping anecdote, it was so touching. And big congratulations on your 5fer !!!

267 posted on 05/19/2006 6:42:16 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Equal treatment for illegal aliens: the US should adopt Mexico's immigration policy!)
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To: Coop

Thank you, Coop. I am interested. I will also contact my representatives today to advise them that Jack Murtha's actions must not stand (post #251)

Cheers.


268 posted on 05/19/2006 6:51:03 AM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamic Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: Dinah Lord

Thank you very much


269 posted on 05/19/2006 6:51:49 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Tarheel

Bump


270 posted on 05/19/2006 8:00:20 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Lexington Green; CPT Clay; WestSylvanian

Ping


271 posted on 05/19/2006 8:27:40 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Always Right

Flag


272 posted on 05/19/2006 8:31:03 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Sisku Hanne
Yeah, I'll take that half a can...I may need it tonight! ;*)

Thanks!

273 posted on 05/19/2006 9:12:47 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: All

Mutha's been reading USA Today again.


274 posted on 05/19/2006 9:14:15 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: Coop
Curious, isn't it?

It gets curiouser and curiouser............

275 posted on 05/19/2006 9:14:55 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: Coop

Here's how to effectively respond:

If someone lives in Murtha's district, place a Diana Irey campaign sign in their yard or on their car bumper.

If they make good money, contribute to her campaign.


276 posted on 05/19/2006 9:48:25 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: All

Diana Irey for Congress
600 Park Avenue
Monongahela, PA 15063

Phone: 724-258-2300
Fax: 724-258-8600
Email: Diana@Irey.com

http://www.irey.com/



277 posted on 05/19/2006 10:18:21 AM PDT by Landry Fan (Thank you, United States Military!)
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To: Justanobody; Coop

Duncan Hunter is having a LIVE presser right now about this story on C-span.


278 posted on 05/19/2006 11:26:48 AM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Txsleuth

I just saw your message! Did I miss it? What did he say?


279 posted on 05/19/2006 11:46:05 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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To: Landry Fan

Thanks Landry!


280 posted on 05/19/2006 11:48:28 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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