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WE MUST CONSIDER THIS POSSIBILITY
Neal Nuze ^ | 5/16/06 | neal boortz

Posted on 05/17/2006 6:18:05 PM PDT by NotchJohnson

WE MUST CONSIDER THIS POSSIBILITY strong message: We are not going to take any affirmative action to insure that the Mexican invasion across our southern border is brought to a halt. We must consider the possibility that these politicians want this invasion to continue because it serves their political needs. For the Democrats, this one is easy. Enabling the invasion is step one. Amnesty for those who have crossed our borders is step two. Step three will be figuring out a way to get those who were once illegal aliens, but by virtue of the amnesty program are illegal no more, to the polls to vote; presumably for Democrats. As for the Republicans? Well, there's always those heavy-duty contributors who benefit from the cheap labor offered by the invasion force. It's also possible that Republicans might actually believe that this legitimized invasion force will be prone to vote Republican!


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: boortz; elephanteatownhead; ilegal; imigration; senate
If the GOP is thinking they will get the hispanic vote they are dreaming. The only other excuse of selling out is that they want to get along.
1 posted on 05/17/2006 6:18:08 PM PDT by NotchJohnson
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To: NotchJohnson

how many decades has this been going on for? just a question


2 posted on 05/17/2006 6:19:38 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: NotchJohnson

3 posted on 05/17/2006 6:20:48 PM PDT by Zeon Cowboy (.blogspot.com)
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To: NotchJohnson

The republicans are committing political suicide.


4 posted on 05/17/2006 6:21:06 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: NotchJohnson
The Dems and there supporters are salivating over getting millions of illegal aliens amnesty. It creates millions of new victims for the Dems to pander to. It creates a new low paying working class who will be bought by the unions-thus millions of new union members to replace the millions of former members who left the unions because the unions cost them their jobs.
5 posted on 05/17/2006 6:21:45 PM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: kinoxi
A southern conservative state could succeed from the union I guess, in a last resort of course.
6 posted on 05/17/2006 6:23:40 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Desoto county MS Freeper)
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To: TennTuxedo

The question is what is the motivation of the GOP? Are they all Rocefeller Republicans.


7 posted on 05/17/2006 6:25:13 PM PDT by NotchJohnson
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To: Sybeck1

secede?


8 posted on 05/17/2006 6:25:48 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: NotchJohnson

Neal is mistaken if he thinks the Democrats will wait until all these illegals are given amnesties before allowing them to vote. Illegals are already voting by the millions in states like California, and I'm sure it's spreading all over.

Not only do Republicans need to do something about immigration, they need to do something about election corruption. It's getting worse and worse, and the stupid party has been absolutely hapless about it.

Much of this happened under clinton, who greatly increased the numbers of illegal votes. But Bush has done nothing to reverse it, even though it nearly cost him the election.


9 posted on 05/17/2006 6:25:55 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: kinoxi

Yep, wrong word choice.


10 posted on 05/17/2006 6:27:37 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Desoto county MS Freeper)
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To: Sybeck1
secession didn't work with a weaker federal government. no reason to see it as viable now
11 posted on 05/17/2006 6:29:48 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: NotchJohnson

I have called Shelby of Alabama he has not returned my call, although he has a nice sounding honey working at his office who listened to every word I said. Even emailed him, but he is a former democrat, he is living in another world now like the rest of those yahoos.


12 posted on 05/17/2006 6:40:44 PM PDT by catmanblack. (he is the great I AM-)
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To: NotchJohnson
The really ironic thing about this issue is that it is the first time, in my memory anyhow, when mid-level and rank-and-file members of BOTH parties are strongly against a policy that the leadership of both parties want, albeit for different reasons.

The Senate and the President are the ones driving this amnesty bus. The rest of the country hates it.
13 posted on 05/17/2006 6:43:54 PM PDT by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)
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To: NotchJohnson
The question is what is the motivation of the GOP?

The GOP is split on this issue. House conservative Republicans have crafted and passed the best bill to date. House conservative Senators have now rejected the President position via their votes on bills crafted by Leftist Republican Senators and Leftist Democrats. We know why Dimwits and Rino's want amnesty or as McCain now calls it 'a banana'. The question is why has Bush destroyed what little support remained for him in the country for a handful of illegal Mexicans ?

14 posted on 05/17/2006 6:48:18 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: NotchJohnson

At present, 84 percent of the federal budget is for entitlements, defense, homeland security, or interest on the debt. Any effort to achieve a reduction in spending by focusing on the remaining 16 percent is unlikely to be very effective. For example, a 1 percent cut in nominal non-security discretionary spending for one year reduces total spending by only 0.17 percent. Over five years, it reduces total spending by 0.89 percent......http://www.brookings.edu/views/testimony/sawhill/20060215.htm ......Look at the cash!!!!Another thread on here yesterday noted that one of the Senate plans allowed 193 million immigrants over 20 years. IMHO, that number is no accident. That number is what Capitol Hill has calculated will be required to keep our social programs AND the rest of governmnet running. This explains the "bipartisan" character of border neglect.


15 posted on 05/17/2006 6:48:31 PM PDT by mo
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To: mo

The republicans are committing political suicide.

Yep, it is a done deal.

Hillary is in.


16 posted on 05/17/2006 6:58:56 PM PDT by ed1340 (Cultural Suicide)
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To: TennTuxedo

And consider that Teddy and the team will bust their butts to get the vote for them. Million or two new Democrats looking for jobs sounds like fun.


17 posted on 05/17/2006 7:00:16 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: mo
This explains the "bipartisan" character of border neglect.

So they need third world slave labor to continue making the ever increasing interest payments on their horrific debt. In other words, they have failed us miserably.

18 posted on 05/17/2006 7:00:41 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: mo

Problem with your theory is they are net takers from the government (taxpayers). They don't pay enough in taxes to cover the benefits they get. Once they are legal the benfits go up. So where is all that cash the government is supposed to be collecting from them?


19 posted on 05/17/2006 7:01:14 PM PDT by sheana
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To: NotchJohnson
I think a lot of these R. Pols would LIKE to be in the minority. The perks would be just as good and they wouldn't be expected to actually produce anything.

The question is what is the motivation of the GOP?

20 posted on 05/17/2006 7:01:21 PM PDT by DManA
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To: ed1340

this whole scenario reminds of 1996..with the Contract for America ...and term limits...


21 posted on 05/17/2006 7:01:22 PM PDT by mo
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To: NotchJohnson
The question is what is the motivation of the GOP? Are they all Rocefeller Republicans.

The answer.

22 posted on 05/17/2006 7:04:48 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: sheana
"In 1950, there were 16 workers per one putting money into the system—which means that when somebody retired, there's 16 workers contributing to that person's retirement. Today there's 3.3 workers contributing for each beneficiary. And when youngsters retire, it's going to be 2.1—two workers per beneficiary. In other words, the burden of paying for retirees is increasing on workers."...http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/ib208 ..heres the deal..we need more young workers. Mexico has 30 million people under age thirty looking for jobs....we have jobs. Amnesty gets them paying social security and medicare taxes... and presto the system is saved.
23 posted on 05/17/2006 7:06:17 PM PDT by mo
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To: NotchJohnson
If they want to vote in Missouri, NOW they will have to show a photo ID.

Our Republican majority shoved it down the dems throats and FINALLY passed a law stating that to vote, you must have a photo ID.

This will eliminate about 500,00 dead people from voting in St. Louis in the next election.

24 posted on 05/17/2006 7:06:38 PM PDT by demsux
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To: mo

Well I will believe it when I see it. If they bring mom and dad and their aunts and uncles guess what? They all qualify for social security! That more than takes away what mom and dad are paying into SS. I don't believe that our elected politicians even have the brains to TRY and figure out something like what you are suggesting. I just think they are all stupid and anyone who believes they are even capable of thinking of something you suggest is just wrong.

I am not into conspiracy theories and I just don't think the politicians are that smart. lol


25 posted on 05/17/2006 7:11:03 PM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana

I 'm not a conspiratory theorist....but there is ONE very hard piece of reality that even DC needs to deal with ...the number of workers per beneficiary. That is as real as the law of gravity. Only one of two ways to deal with it -default on obligations per benficiary, or increase the number of workers per beneficiary. (BTW, we aboted about 40 million potential workers the last 30 years.) I do beleive that the politicians are stupid enough to see something like this as a way to try to avoid default. In any event, itmakes more senes to me anyway, than the rest of the nonsense over the issue.


26 posted on 05/17/2006 7:18:44 PM PDT by mo
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To: sheana
I am not into conspiracy theories and I just don't think the politicians are that smart. lol

Any executive body that has run an organization into over 6 trillion in debt, should never ever be considered to be 'smart'. At the very least they should be considered to be 'corrupt' until proved 'dysfunctional'.

27 posted on 05/17/2006 7:20:20 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: mo

I agree that it is a problem but I just don't see how importing poor, uneducated immigrants and all their families are gonna fix it. They will be a net drain on that system as well.
The current bill being debated by the President and senate is nothing but a gigantic social program. They will suck every system dry.


28 posted on 05/17/2006 7:22:27 PM PDT by sheana
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To: demsux
This will eliminate about 500,00 dead people from voting in St. Louis in the next election.

Maybe.
Expect lawsuits up the wahzoo and dozens of injuctions at the last minute by libeal judges. Followed by screams of tampered with elections.

29 posted on 05/17/2006 7:22:52 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Well I actually believe they would have to have lower than normal levels of intelligence to be there anyway, since they have proved lately that they are not there because they give a dam about the country and are patriots.

I kind of look at most politicians like I do most teachers. They are there because they couldn't do anything else.


30 posted on 05/17/2006 7:25:25 PM PDT by sheana
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To: ed1340

>>>Hillary is in. <<<

Bingo


31 posted on 05/17/2006 7:25:48 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: kinoxi
how many decades has this been going on for? just a question

What, illegal immigration? I've been watching this nightmare unfold since the 1960s. (I'm in L.A.)

A lot of Mexicans were deported during the Depression (1930s) and then again in 1953/1954, but they just keep on coming.

Apparently the one job they won't do is fight to make their country a decent place in which to live.

32 posted on 05/17/2006 7:31:39 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: NotchJohnson

Who says they aren't already voting? It's illegal to ask for any kind of ID.


33 posted on 05/17/2006 7:34:19 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: NotchJohnson

Step Four will be regrouping and withdrawing and seceding from the States and forming states that still contain primarily English speaking citizens.


34 posted on 05/17/2006 7:36:54 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: ed1340

The republicans are committing political suicide.

Yep, it is a done deal.

Hillary is in.


While she is not as Conservative as I'd like, I believe the only person who can beat Hillary is Condi Rice. And, I said that before Dick Morris' book ever came out.


35 posted on 05/17/2006 7:40:02 PM PDT by no dems (A Winning Campaign Theme for a Conservative in '08: "PUTTING AMERICA FIRST")
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To: NotchJohnson

... in essence forming a new nation after the Southern part of ours becomes overrun.


36 posted on 05/17/2006 7:40:29 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: DumpsterDiver

why, when they can leech off of the US. build the wall. just for the record i'm still skeptical about crocodiles patrolling the border with high powered lasers attached to their heads. :)


37 posted on 05/17/2006 7:42:39 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: justa-hairyape
The question is why has Bush destroyed what little support remained for him in the country for a handful of illegal Mexicans ?

That would in fact be the question du jour. It certainly makes one wonder what's going on in the world "behind the scenes."

38 posted on 05/17/2006 7:44:01 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: kinoxi
just for the record i'm still skeptical about crocodiles patrolling the border with high powered lasers attached to their heads. :)

Hells, bells. A big ol' 'gator with a chupacabra riding shotgun and we'd have people running away screeching like little girls!.

39 posted on 05/17/2006 7:55:54 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver

if you can train em to attack the right people yeah :)


40 posted on 05/17/2006 8:00:55 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: mo
End the entitlements for the illegals. Welfare, tuition, health care other than true emergencies. Those willing to come here for just what they're now being paid as wages might actually make fine Americans, once acculturated, if we gave them the chance. Working hard, for low pay without freebies, in search of the American dream used to be our immigrant norm. Without the freebies they would be much less of a drain on local resources. Those who couldn't make would relocate home where the cost of living was cheaper. "Illegal" wages would be bid up by the decreased supply of illegals and make it easier for citizens and legals to compete. The courts may give you some problems with this for awhile, but that can be solved by appointing better judges and writing better laws. The framers didn't intend non-citizens to get these freebies (or citizens for that matter!) so this change is a return towards the constitution, regardless of what liberal judges say. Weaning the citizens from THEIR unconstitutional freebies alas will be tougher to achieve but eventually needs to be done. Welfare reformed proved it was possible.
41 posted on 05/17/2006 8:48:30 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: kinoxi

We would be viewed as "terrorists" by the Other Side anyways.


42 posted on 05/17/2006 8:51:56 PM PDT by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: Windsong
we already are. the 'sub-humanity' of our culture,(according to them) is how they justify this
43 posted on 05/17/2006 8:55:36 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
how many decades has this been going on for? just a question

Eisenhower was the last president who didn't tolerate illegal immigration.
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44 posted on 05/17/2006 9:28:06 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: JohnBovenmyer
Cynic that I am, I think the bureaucrats replaced domestic welfare cases with imported....rather than meaningfully stop.
45 posted on 05/18/2006 4:04:20 AM PDT by mo
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To: glorgau

It is not illegal to ask in my state yet. I have been asked for identification(drivers license)every time I have voted. Most of the people who work at the voting places even know my first name.


46 posted on 05/18/2006 4:26:25 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: Fruitbat
There is a Conspiracy Theory that says NAFTA + CAFTA=FTAA,which eventually will morph into the American Union. Open borders throughout the Americas is part of this plan-hence the longterm unwillingness to deal with the US/MX border issue, as elites in BOTH parties are on board with this plan. That the prospective members of the FTAA showed tepid interest at best in the Miami "summit" last year hasn't ended speculation along these lines. (Frankly, I am (reluctantly) leaning towards this theory-and if it's true, telling the republicans that they'll lose congress and the WH is irrelevant : They're already looking forward to the day in the near future when, as in the EU, the "right sort of people" can be given the power they deserve without having to suffer the humiliation of begging the hoi poloi for votes.)
47 posted on 05/18/2006 6:55:05 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: kaylar

Great summary. Yeah, I'm for the most part familiar with that, but one would think that they can see through the shortcomings of that approach.

Europe is Europe. The countries in Western Europe are all westernized, modern, and economically relevant.

Mexico is third world for the most part and has a host of other issues. It is tantamount to Europe having included Germany, France, Somalia, and Sudan, and then forming an economic union of sorts. In essence the EU more or less did that indirectly as since the borders are open throughout the EU, there is now a direct flow from muslim nations primarily, but largely nations that are more third world than non, and that's causing problems over there in a similar fashion to what we'll be able to expect.


48 posted on 05/18/2006 8:01:38 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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