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Ex-senator linked to oil-for-food claims (Bob Torricelli)
MSNBC (The Financial Times) ^ | 5/18/2006 | Claudio Gatti

Posted on 05/18/2006 5:37:16 PM PDT by wjersey

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To: wjersey

I've believed for a long time that this oil-for-food scandal will end up having more layers to it than an onion. The news of the Europeans and even UN officials being involved came out pretty quickly, but the story remains mysteriously ignored in this country. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were some number of Americans (government and/or private citizens) involved as well.


51 posted on 05/18/2006 8:24:18 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: wjersey; Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; Americanwolfsbrother; ...
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- P.J. O'Rouke
(Another example)





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52 posted on 05/18/2006 8:26:05 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: traviskicks

Whoops, that other link got posted wrong...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1631566/posts


53 posted on 05/18/2006 8:29:33 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: wjersey
Culture of corruption.
54 posted on 05/18/2006 8:30:52 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: wjersey

This should surprise......no one!


55 posted on 05/18/2006 8:33:43 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: STARWISE

And Nancy Pelosi has the nerve to call the GOP the "Culture of Corruption"


56 posted on 05/18/2006 8:34:09 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: onyx

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-hayward093002.asp
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Chang similarly sought the good graces of C. Kenneth Quinones, a now-retired official who at one time had been the North Korean Desk Officer at the State Department. Chang sought help with business prospects in North Korea in 1995-96, specifically support for his company becoming project coordinator for the construction of light-water nuclear reactors, and obtaining a contract to recover the remains of POWs from the North Koreans. Chang also pursued the repayment of debts from North Korea and release of frozen assets there. Chang gave Quinones an Acura Legend, found a job for one daughter and paid $65,000 toward another's daughter Stanford tuition. Quinones, in contrast with Torricelli, pled guilty to violations of government conflict of interest laws in August 2001.


57 posted on 05/18/2006 8:34:56 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Mo1

You're such a GOOD researcher. This gives us HOPE!


58 posted on 05/18/2006 8:36:26 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: wjersey

The Torch (Toricelli) and The Mummy (Lautenberg) are my Freeper name sakes.


59 posted on 05/18/2006 8:40:22 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Patriotism...means looking out for yourself by looking out for your country” - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: onyx

Amidst Growing Scandals, Even Supporters Wonder:
Has The Clock Run Out on Robert Torricelli?

http://www.evote.com/features/2001-04/torricelli-schemes.asp


60 posted on 05/18/2006 8:41:14 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: wjersey

presumably he is the scapegoat for whatever other US lawmakers would have been involved since he is already history.


61 posted on 05/18/2006 8:42:45 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Jim_Curtis

A similar principle might help explain the bipartisan love affair with China, at least as far as trade goes.

Money talks, and governments (some individuals in governments, more correctly) are for sale for the right price.


62 posted on 05/18/2006 8:44:41 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Mo1

http://www.politicsnj.com/kornacki092602_DOJ.htm
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Chang told prosecutors that over a several-year period he plied the Torricelli with gifts of "antiques, jewelry, clothing, electronic equipment and decorative items as well as thousands of dollars of cash payments." According to the memo, Chang told the prosecutors that while he was showering gifts on Torricelli, the senator "provided many forms of assistance to Chang and his companies, including recommending Chang's companies for government contracts, introducing Chang and his business associates to foreign business leaders, and attempting to enlist the assistance of State Department and National Security officials" in recovering a debt from the North Korean government.

In the memo, the prosecutors said that when news of Chang's cooperation leaked to the news media two years ago, the businessman was subjected to a campaign from Torricelli and his supporters designed to "vilify and discredit" him as "a delusional perjurer."


63 posted on 05/18/2006 8:46:54 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: MJY1288

And her team are the Vultures of Corruption, too ... hang all the crooks .. no matter what party!! It's passed time for TERM LIMITS.


64 posted on 05/18/2006 8:47:23 PM PDT by STARWISE (((They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL autho)
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To: Mo1


Eeeeeeeeesh. That article makes me think he'll slip by again.


65 posted on 05/18/2006 8:51:28 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: WoofDog123
presumably he is the scapegoat for whatever other US lawmakers would have been involved since he is already history.

The trip that McDermott, Bonoir and another Rep took to Baghdad just before the war was paid for by a minion in Detroit? I think that was an Iraqi and had ties to Saddam. They also each got a $5,000 campaign donation which they returned after the story broke. Just wondering if they could be tied to this.

66 posted on 05/18/2006 8:51:54 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: Mo1

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50D14FD3E5F0C7A8CDDAC0894D9404482&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fSubjects%2fG%2fGrain

DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 1615 WORDS -Soon after Senator Robert G. Torricelli began his relationship with David Chang, the wealthy political contributor who says he gave the senator unreported gifts and cash, Mr. Torricelli intervened in an international business deal to help Mr. Chang recover a debt of more than $70 million. Mr. Torricelli, a.


67 posted on 05/18/2006 8:53:04 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: STARWISE
I truly believe we would be better represented if a computer selected 535 people randomly to serve in Congress, very much like Jury Duty, but the pay would be much better.

IMHO our Jury system does a great job carrying out justice and I believe they would legislate just as well

68 posted on 05/18/2006 8:58:26 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: wjersey

A good look needs to be taken at all politicians, especially Senators, present and former.


69 posted on 05/18/2006 9:07:52 PM PDT by Supernatural (Its not dark yet, but its getting there.)
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To: nutmeg; firebrand; Doctor Raoul; RaceBannon; Dutchy; Exit148; ELS

In case you missed this....


70 posted on 05/18/2006 9:20:22 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: MJY1288; Mo1; STARWISE; StarFan
Ya'all might find this timeline [at post # 74] on this thread interesting :

My NKorea / Iraq / Clinton / Torricelli / Chang timeline at post 74

It needs updating since the Qadeer Khan network thing is barely hinted at here but the timing of Iraq's actions and N Korea's actions relative to Chang's visits with US politicians is curious even on this sparse timeline...

71 posted on 05/18/2006 9:58:08 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: StarFan

Thanks, StarFan. I'll read it tomorrow (too tired now).


72 posted on 05/18/2006 10:04:53 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: piasa

Thanks for the ping, great timeline


73 posted on 05/18/2006 10:19:25 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: jazusamo

My hypothesis on this is that if we (the sheeple) were to see the depth of corruption in our government, with all the details, there would be, among others things, an immediate tax revolt and possible constitutional convention.

Many countries are far more open about it (and more superficial as well in how much they ask for), but the smoke of so many items that I have seen in my lifetime pretty much tells me that at, at least at the congressional level, the cabinet level, and the executive high bureaucrat level, it is the norm. This is without mentioning pardongate, the cox report, etc.

It is the human reality that governments invariably serve their own interests, including the personal interests of their more influential members. No getting around it.


74 posted on 05/18/2006 10:24:37 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: Farmer Dean
I am shocked, simply shocked------NOT

ditto. Seems to be a systemic problem in the US Senate. It appears they're all on the take and certainly the immigration issue has brought that to light.

75 posted on 05/18/2006 10:37:50 PM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: wjersey

"To question my integrity is beneath contempt!" - The Torch


76 posted on 05/18/2006 10:44:03 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: FlashBack
Even better than it's subset: the (D) Culture of Crime.
77 posted on 05/18/2006 10:59:10 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (The Right To Take Life is NOT a Constitutional "Liberty" protected by the 14th Amendment)
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To: Doc91678; The Mayor; pollyannaish; demlosers; MJY1288
Culture of Corruption

Nah, the (D)s are infected with a Culture of Criminality.

78 posted on 05/18/2006 11:02:52 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (The Right To Take Life is NOT a Constitutional "Liberty" protected by the 14th Amendment)
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To: piasa

Thanks for the ping and link!!


79 posted on 05/19/2006 2:50:32 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: wjersey

But the Torch won't go quietly....


80 posted on 05/19/2006 3:23:27 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Mo1

Whoa! What was that about the party of corruption Nancy Facelift was complaining about?


81 posted on 05/19/2006 3:38:10 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Mo1

Thanks.


82 posted on 05/19/2006 4:55:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Txsleuth
When first elected Coleman stated that he was going to honor Wellstone by carrying out his dreams (agenda).

His office got one heck of a phone call from me!!! Not that it made a difference but I suspect mine wasn't the only irate call.

After all, if they wanted Wellstone, the people would have voted for Mondull.

83 posted on 05/19/2006 4:57:37 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: wjersey

I guess Nancy Pelosi was right after all, culture of corruption... oh wait... she said republican, and Torricelli is not a republican but a democrat? How can this be? HOW CAN THIS BE?


84 posted on 05/19/2006 5:21:56 AM PDT by Palpatine (The lesson of modern politics is that no class is less fit to govern than that which governs us now.)
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To: jveritas

Hey JV.

Is the PreWarDocs accessable to do searches?

Or do all the docs have to be scrolled through and read individually?

If you can do document searches, are can you search for Torricelli?

Or, would these docs not be in the files due to investigations?

Thanks hon!


85 posted on 05/19/2006 5:33:00 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: wjersey

Torricelli Sleeps with Saddam


86 posted on 05/19/2006 5:41:24 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Steer Clear Of Large Metropolitian Areas Because The Liberals Will Reap What They Sow.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Once again, The Torch got burned. If he gets indicted, will he have Frank Lautenburg replace him as the defendant?

BWAAAAHH!!! LOL! Classic!

87 posted on 05/19/2006 6:29:47 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: WoofDog123
presumably he is the scapegoat for whatever other US lawmakers would have been involved since he is already history

Looks that way -- Bright & Bright was demanding a huge chunk of the OFF contracts (at a discount), based on the clout of just one corrupt Senator?

88 posted on 05/19/2006 6:43:21 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: wjersey

>>>An April 15 1996 cable from Mr Hamdoun to Tariq Aziz, Iraq's deputy prime minister at the time, if authentic, appears to corroborate these allegations.<<<<

Well, here is a convenient loop hole:

>>>>Mr Hamdoun died in July 2003. <<<<<


89 posted on 05/19/2006 6:55:28 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: wjersey
Image hosted by Photobucket.com is that an OIL fueled Torch there mr.senator???
90 posted on 05/19/2006 7:10:03 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: wjersey
"We have a similar interest in preserving the institutional integrity of the US Senate..."

I HOPE that means that if a sitting Democrat turns out to be invoved, they won't be wrist-slapped "for the good of the Senate".

91 posted on 05/19/2006 7:35:21 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Drugs? Illegals? Legalize and Tax 'Em All, Right? Right??)
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To: CWOJackson

LOL! You're right, CWO!


92 posted on 05/19/2006 7:56:42 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi LIBERATION Vet! THANKS, son!!.)
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To: CWOJackson
"This whole immigration thing must be a full court press for the nutters...there hasn't been a single 'Walmart' thread in many days."

Well...this announcement about a non-issue related to the illegal war on terror is just a ploy to make the public forget the REAL problem of porus borders. **sniff** It won't work! They tried that when they turned the weather machine against Louisiana and it didn't work then!

93 posted on 05/19/2006 8:00:56 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Drugs? Illegals? Legalize and Tax 'Em All, Right? Right??)
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bump


94 posted on 05/19/2006 8:35:26 AM PDT by eureka! (Heaven forbid the Rats get control of Congress and/or the Presidency any time soon....)
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To: Calpernia; IrishMike

So far I did not see any documents that show Toricelli or any American involvement with the Oil for Food program but I will search furthermore. However I have read a document written by the Iraqi intelligence in 1999? that talks about influencing some people with power in the US.


95 posted on 05/19/2006 2:41:16 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Thanks JV!


96 posted on 05/19/2006 3:19:11 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/ap/2006/05/19/ap2760079.html
Senate Panel Probes Ex-Senator in U.N. Case

Excerpt:

The Independent Inquiry Committee found that Saddam exploited oil-for-food by awarding contracts and taking kickbacks from hundreds of companies and individuals.

The investigation into Torricelli was first reported by The Financial Times.

The newspaper, citing Iraqi diplomatic cables and other documents obtained by the Times and Il Sole 24 Ore, an Italian business daily, reported that in the 1990s, Torricelli met several times with Iraq's ambassador to the United Nations at the time, Nizar Hamdoun.

At those meetings, according to the newspaper, Torricelli, then a House member, allegedly urged Iraq to help his campaign donor, David Chang, and Chang's company, Bright & Bright Corp., get oil-for-food contracts.

In 2002, the Senate Ethics Committee "severely admonished" Torricelli for accepting improper gifts from Chang, and the senator decided not to seek re-election. Two years earlier, Chang pleaded guilty to obstructing justice and funneling $53,700 in illegal donations to Torricelli's 1996 Senate campaign. Chang told investigators that he gave Torricelli cash and gifts in exchange for assistance in his business ventures; Torricelli called the allegations lies.

Torricelli spokesman Sean Jackson confirmed that Torricelli had conversations with the Iraq ambassador, but said the purpose was to argue that U.S.-Iraq relations would improve if American companies participated in the oil-for-food program.

(snip)


97 posted on 05/19/2006 3:20:30 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/051006/spread.html
‘Congress has so little relevance to daily life’

Excerpt:

But having left Washington the ultimate insider — jettisoned out — Torricelli is now the outsider who is invited in. He plays a role in the shadows of national politics, having raised money for John Kerry in his 2004 presidential race and advised his friend New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine — someone he helped guide into politics — with a leap from the Senate to the Statehouse and is eager to help the presidential campaign of his friend Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), who he is convinced will occupy the White House for two terms starting in 2009.


98 posted on 05/19/2006 3:27:50 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: wjersey
Hey Randy Cunningham, move over, you have company coming. (put them in a Nonpartisan cell or they can try to "reach across the aisle")
99 posted on 05/19/2006 3:37:50 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

That is a good one!!!!! bump


100 posted on 05/19/2006 3:57:43 PM PDT by malia (FLIGHT 93 HAS DONE MORE TO FIGHT TERRORISM THAN THE WHOLE OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!!))
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