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Greenspan says US housing boom is over
Reuters ^ | 5/18/06 | Reuters

Posted on 05/18/2006 7:34:39 PM PDT by doc30

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said on Thursday that the "extraordinary" boom in the U.S. housing market in recent years is over.

"This has been quite an extraordinary boom," Greenspan told a Bond Market Association dinner in New York. "The boom is over. I think we can safely say that with a strong degree of confidence."

Greenspan said there was a "high degree of froth in the system," and that it was clear that home equity extraction and the turnover of home sales was waning.

(Excerpt) Read more at today.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boom; bubble; greenspan; homesales; housing; housingbubble; realestate; whereisextexan; wheresextexan
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1 posted on 05/18/2006 7:34:41 PM PDT by doc30
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To: doc30

Aren't they owned by Saudi Arabian interests that are heavily invested in tents anyway?


2 posted on 05/18/2006 7:35:56 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: doc30
Ever since I learned Greenspan is married to NBC's Andrea Mitchell, I have less confidence in his judgment.
3 posted on 05/18/2006 7:38:49 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: BW2221

His judgement? What about HERS!


4 posted on 05/18/2006 7:42:16 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: muawiyah

Big boom


5 posted on 05/18/2006 7:42:59 PM PDT by Dawggie
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To: BW2221

Well, he used to have extraordinary access to the relevant information - probably one of the best positions to get a big picture. Does not mean that he gets it right, but does mean that he's [or used to be] better informed than almost all.


6 posted on 05/18/2006 7:43:28 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: doc30

Well, he sure picked a fine time to learn how to speak english...


7 posted on 05/18/2006 7:44:07 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: doc30

The US says Greenspan's relevance is over.


8 posted on 05/18/2006 7:48:23 PM PDT by edpc
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To: doc30

Duh, yeah Greenie. After the fed jacked rates how many times in a row, you're darn right the bloom is off.


9 posted on 05/18/2006 7:49:07 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: doc30
Greenspan says US housing boom is over

Then I guess we better send the alien construction workers back home because there won't be enough homes for them and also citizen construction workers to build.

10 posted on 05/18/2006 7:50:37 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: doc30

This might be helpful ?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111944/posts


11 posted on 05/18/2006 7:52:47 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: doc30
greenspan still holds a lot of clout. if he gets big money to shy away from real estate it could have considerable effects for regular homeowners when their equity vanishes. he should just STFU.
12 posted on 05/18/2006 8:00:19 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: doc30

Does this mean my 4 year old house won't tripple again in value in the next 3 years like it did in the last 3 years?


13 posted on 05/18/2006 8:04:31 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: umgud
Does this mean my 4 year old house won't tripple again in value in the next 3 years like it did in the last 3 years?

Don't know, but I can tell you that our market in Va is bust, house for-sale ads have gone from 2 pages to 4 pages in local Sunday paper.

14 posted on 05/18/2006 8:22:21 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: umgud

I'm just hoping mine doesn't go back down to what I paid for it!
susie


15 posted on 05/18/2006 8:23:58 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: george76

thanks


16 posted on 05/18/2006 8:23:59 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30
Sure it is.

I just signed a contract today- selling my house for 500% more than I bought it for 7 years ago.
17 posted on 05/18/2006 8:27:02 PM PDT by WackySam ("There's room for all God's creatures- right next to the taters")
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To: doc30

Happily, Greenspan is over. What a doofus!


18 posted on 05/18/2006 8:27:46 PM PDT by hauerf
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To: umgud

Yup, that's exactly what it means.

There's only so many houses people can buy -- and at a price they can afford. Housing doesn't always go up -- just like stocks don't always go up. But there is always something going up, and something going down -- causing people to adapt.

That's what they call market forces. Some people think all one has to do is pass laws to regulate prices and they can ignore market forces.

So in places like Hawaii, they pass gas cap laws and prices go up -- and so they remove them and wonder why prices aren't going down. It's because price caps don't control prices -- market forces do. They have to adapt and reduce their demand to cause prices to adapt to the new demand. It's because gas price caps don't work that it doesn't matter whether they're in force or not.

They have to change the demand, which is adapting to the market -- and not passing laws demanding the market sells them unlimited gas at the price they want to pay.


19 posted on 05/18/2006 8:31:52 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: ex-Texan

filing


20 posted on 05/18/2006 8:33:17 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: doc30

Every time that guy opens his trap the stock market tanks. I thought we were done with him when he retired.


21 posted on 05/18/2006 8:35:24 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: MikeHu

When all us baby boomers leave the scene, there will be a huge glut of houses.


22 posted on 05/18/2006 8:36:41 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: umgud
When all us baby boomers leave the scene, there will be a huge glut of houses.

There will also be a boom in areas where they will move....the South...a 1000 people a day still move to Florida.

Real estate prices have ALWAYS been based on location. During the this recent bubble, most of the country participated in the boom. Now, it will involve less areas. However, there are still areas that are growing fast -- where the jobs are growing.
23 posted on 05/18/2006 8:56:31 PM PDT by Jackson Brown
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To: doc30
boom in the U.S. housing market in recent years is over.

Again?

24 posted on 05/18/2006 8:57:31 PM PDT by SouthTexas (Viva la Migra!)
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To: umgud

I don't know about that.

But another triple in three years seems improbable.

It reminds me of the period in the early '80s when commodity prices peaked -- gold, oil, real estate, but instead of the whole economy crashing like they frequently write about, there is a shift into other markets and assets -- at that time, it was the beginning of the great bull market in stocks that began in 1982.

As for a glut of housing, I don't think the markets get that far out of line. Usually what happens is that people move from high cost areas to lower cost areas. Supposedly, that's Texas right now, and the adjoining areas.

The coasts and the cities may be overpriced and driving migration to other communities, and stories I've read, is people are wondering why they hadn't done it sooner -- as their lives invariably improve.

Those who adapt, thrive and flourish; those who won't, complain all the louder.


25 posted on 05/18/2006 9:01:45 PM PDT by MikeHu
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To: doc30

"GreenSpam" just can't keep his mouth shut either.


26 posted on 05/18/2006 9:03:52 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: doc30
All those poor jealous FReepers that want there to be a crash are sad to see there will be no crash... poor bitter little things.

By the way, there are places the boom still lingers. Central Coast California... San Luis Obispo County.
27 posted on 05/18/2006 9:06:09 PM PDT by Porterville (Do Not Betray The President During A Time Of War-- Unless You Are A Traitor)
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To: Porterville

Hi Porterville,

I don't know if you live in Porterville CA. I live in Bakersfield about 65 miles from there. They're still building houses at an unbelievable rate here. It seems the boom may be settling down, but showing no signs of bust here.

I suspect our boom was do to newcomers from the higher priced areas of CA. They have driven up our values, but we are still cheaper than a lot of areas elsewhere in CA.


28 posted on 05/18/2006 9:12:37 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: org.whodat

"Don't know, but I can tell you that our market in Va is bust, house for-sale ads have gone from 2 pages to 4 pages in local Sunday paper."

How many pages are the foreclosure notices now?


29 posted on 05/18/2006 9:15:48 PM PDT by colinhester
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To: umgud
Tons of articles in the Los Angeles Times and OC Register about not that much selling.

In general you look to see if the condos and town homes slide in price. They go up last and down first.
We had two mini RE crashes in the 80's and 90's.
With all the fancy loans and historic low rates, this could be a grand daddy of a crash in the 00's.

There is also some indication this is a world wide issue.

Could be lots of global fun.
30 posted on 05/18/2006 9:16:37 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: gotribe
Hi gotribe-

I think the fed rate has been raised sixteen or seventeen straight times now. That same couple living in an apartment and considering purchasing a home is probably going to stay put to ensure they can have a more substantial downpayment. Why would the government wish to discourage home ownership like that?

The reasons given for continually raising the rates don't make sense to me...

~ Blue Jays ~

31 posted on 05/18/2006 9:18:02 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: A CA Guy

I can afford a crash. It might even help my kids buy homes. Over 10 years, my equity will come back, if I lose much at all. My youngest daughter and her husband have $25K in the bank and fairly decent jobs, but they feel priced out of the market right now.


32 posted on 05/18/2006 9:21:14 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: umgud
Oh come on, you can have them come to California to snap up a nice 75 year old 900 square foot 800k mansion with 10k a year in property taxes.

Such a deal.
33 posted on 05/18/2006 9:22:59 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: umgud

I forgot, they would have to put up with 25 Mexicans living next door in the 1 bedroom house with ten cars in front of the house.


34 posted on 05/18/2006 9:23:41 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: umgud

Nobody can afford a crash. If/when real estate goes it'll hit Wall Street, which has been packaging mortgages as investments, like a tidal wave. It will hurt every single ancillary company that services the building trades, from lumber to toilets. Then it'll echo through the rest of the economy.


35 posted on 05/18/2006 9:23:58 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: muawiyah
Aren't they owned by Saudi Arabian interests that are heavily invested in tents anyway?

ROTFLMAO!

36 posted on 05/18/2006 9:24:11 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: edpc
The US says Greenspan's relevance is over.

Thank God.

37 posted on 05/18/2006 9:25:12 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: Cementjungle
I thought we were done with him when he retired.

It's called the Clinton Syndrome.

38 posted on 05/18/2006 9:26:43 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: doc30

Yeah, right!! come on over here to Maui and tell us that. Try to buy a house here. The lots are more than houses are in other areas.


39 posted on 05/18/2006 9:33:12 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Minuteman23
I thought we were done with him when he retired.
It's called the Clinton Syndrome.

Kinda like a case of Herpes I suppose.

40 posted on 05/18/2006 9:33:55 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle
Kinda like a case of Herpes I suppose.

An appropriate analogy for sure!

41 posted on 05/18/2006 9:36:47 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: fish hawk

How many of those are second/vacation homes?


42 posted on 05/18/2006 9:37:49 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Those still exist but you see less of that when prices for a cheap place start at 600,000 dollars. The fact is that people of wealth are moving here by the droves. I know a lot of them are getting out of California. They are buying houses to live here. The one good thing about it is that most of them are Republicans. Hawaii is a heavy Democratic state.
43 posted on 05/18/2006 9:41:21 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: umgud

my home has increased 700% since we bought it 22 years ago. I am just amazed.

My sister laughed at me when we bought our home for less than 100k. She told me we overpaid for it then.


44 posted on 05/18/2006 9:44:19 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: fish hawk

I don't know much about real estate in Hawaii, but I've seen it crash here in NYC. It always happens the same way -- in slow motion. Folks think it happens like a crash on the commodity markets or Wall Street, but the truth is, it can take 6 months to a year before the downward momentum accelerates enough to become noticeable.


45 posted on 05/18/2006 9:45:39 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: umgud

Opportunity...buyers market.


46 posted on 05/18/2006 9:48:54 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: doc30
I can't believe all the crap people around here are giving Greenspan.

There are very few people as economically conservative as Greenspan. He was a big part of the "Reagan revolution".

Now people here are kicking him to the curb.
47 posted on 05/18/2006 9:59:27 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: durasell
I've lived here for over 35 years and have never, I say, never, seen property go down. I may level off and stay flat for a year or two or three, then take a giant step up. I believe this is true in other places too, that are resort type places. Like La Jolla, Marin, and Carmel etc in California. In Hawaii, the whole chain of islands are a resort area and there is only so much beach frontage.(which gets you into the millions)
48 posted on 05/18/2006 10:09:29 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: durasell
It won't happen like that. The market has only increased at an inflationary rate in isolated sectors of the country.

Northeast, Kalifornia, Florida.

In Oklahoma, for example, prices have only risen about 5% annually. And that only in the larger metropolitan areas, viz., Tulsa.

I wouldn't expect to see huge market adjustments in these areas.

49 posted on 05/18/2006 10:10:53 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

Hey Lou - do you think the areas, such as OK, that are not over-inflated will see a rise in sales from people moving away from overpriced regions?


50 posted on 05/18/2006 10:13:11 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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