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Debate on Little Human Fossil Enters Major Scientific Forum
NY Times ^ | May 19, 2006 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Posted on 05/19/2006 3:09:39 AM PDT by Pharmboy


Ira Block/National Geographic
Some scientists say this skull, smaller than those of modern humans, is from a newfound species.

Not all scientists agree that the 18,000-year-old "little people" fossils found on the Indonesian island of Flores should be designated an extinct human-related species. Some expressed their opposition in news interviews and informal symposiums, but papers arguing their case were rejected by major journals.

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In today's issue of the journal Science, researchers led by Robert D. Martin of the Field Museum in Chicago present evidence they say supports their main argument, that the skull in question is not that of a newfound extinct species, but of a modern Homo sapiens afflicted with microcephaly, a genetic disorder characterized by a smaller than normal brain and head size.

The researchers said the evidence used in previous studies to rule out microcephaly was flawed. They noted that the analysis was primarily based on comparisons with a brain cast made from a poorly preserved skull of a 10-year-old who was microcephalic, not one from an adult.

"Quite simply, it could not have been a worse example for such a study," Dr. Martin, a primatologist, said in a telephone interview, speaking of the fossil skull that was examined. "It tells us nothing snip...

Dean Falk, an anthropologist at Florida State University, published a study in Science last year that was said to show that the Flores specimen's brain, though about one-third the size of a contemporary human's, was probably organized in a way consistent with fairly advanced behavior.

It could have been a separate species, Dr. Falk concluded, one that was capable of making the stone tools and other technologies associated with the discovery site.

"We stand by our original interpretation," she said yesterday by telephone.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crevolist; floresman; godsgravesglyphs; hobbit; humanevolution; microcephaly; multiregionalism
They were a type a people...IMO.
1 posted on 05/19/2006 3:09:43 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: thefactor; blam; aculeus; SunkenCiv

What I meant was not microcephalic...ping.


2 posted on 05/19/2006 3:10:41 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Pharmboy
Aye, wee!

Darby McGill and The Little People.

3 posted on 05/19/2006 3:11:39 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: Pharmboy

There are little people all over the world ........... especially in our Congress.


4 posted on 05/19/2006 3:13:32 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you see strange men lurking about in groups of three - especially in North Carolina, RUN!)
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To: Pharmboy

To be serious....... I read that there were "little people" all over the world. They were usually forced to the outer limits and islands of populated areas by the bigger people.


5 posted on 05/19/2006 3:15:58 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("If you see strange men lurking about in groups of three - especially in North Carolina, RUN!)
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To: Pharmboy
Tom Daschle is deeply touched to find his ancestors.

prisoner6

6 posted on 05/19/2006 3:20:20 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the Left fall out.)
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To: Pharmboy
It is amazing how much time some humans waste studying things that have no purpose, other than to try and disprove the existence of the Creator.

One of the benefits of knowing the Creator Jesus, and accepting His atonement, is you will have perfect understanding of all of this when you receive your redeemed body in his image and likeness, filled with knowledge of the unlocked mysteries of the universe.

7 posted on 05/19/2006 3:21:05 AM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Jesus always reads His knee-mail. (Hall of Fame Hit-N-Run poster))
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
"It is amazing how much time some humans waste studying things that have no purpose, other than to try and disprove the existence of the Creator."

A lot of us believe in a creator, just not your view.

God created evolution. Men created your book.

8 posted on 05/19/2006 3:30:39 AM PDT by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
One of the benefits of knowing the Creator Jesus, and accepting His atonement, is you will have perfect understanding of all of this when you receive your redeemed body in his image and likeness, filled with knowledge of the unlocked mysteries of the universe.

So God created everything except our brains, which He did not intend for us to use?

9 posted on 05/19/2006 3:35:01 AM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Pharmboy

One of the two or so islands with the Komodo Dragons as I recall. Lizards way bigger than humans.


10 posted on 05/19/2006 3:36:28 AM PDT by rod1
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To: Pharmboy
Why all the fuss? The democrats have already registered them to vote...
11 posted on 05/19/2006 3:37:18 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Alter Kaker
So God created everything except our brains, which He did not intend for us to use?

Actually God created our brains and then made it illegal to use them.

12 posted on 05/19/2006 3:43:14 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Pharmboy

"Quite simply, it could not have been a worse example for such a study,"

That had to hurt.


13 posted on 05/19/2006 3:58:37 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Pharmboy
"They were a type a people...IMO."

I'm leaning that way too...Homo-Erectus stock though.

"Hobbit" Humans Were Diseased, Not New Species, Study Says

15 posted on 05/19/2006 4:08:28 AM PDT by blam
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
filled with knowledge of the unlocked mysteries of the universe.

Actually when I still believed in God I rather hoped the mysteries of the universe wouldn't be unlocked after death because that would be a bit boring.

16 posted on 05/19/2006 4:28:23 AM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: Pharmboy

Were the stone tools scaled down to fit smaller hands? Enquiring minds want to know.


17 posted on 05/19/2006 4:28:53 AM PDT by Socratic ("I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa.")
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To: Pharmboy

Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him.


18 posted on 05/19/2006 4:32:53 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
It is amazing how much time some humans waste studying things that have no purpose, other than to try and disprove the existence of the Creator.

It is amazing how much time some humans waste saying totally idiotic things which indicate that they haven't a clue that biology research isn't an attempt "to try and disprove the existence of the Creator", and that evolution is not incompatible with belief in God: The *majority* of Americans who accept the validity of evolution are Christians.

So give it a rest, why don't you?

19 posted on 05/19/2006 4:33:22 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Socratic

Nice question. A lack of scaling down would argue for a not-too-bright sub-group rather than a species.


20 posted on 05/19/2006 4:58:36 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: rod1

They got so big eating little people.


21 posted on 05/19/2006 5:13:53 AM PDT by true_blue_texican (grateful texan! -- whoops! I'm sober tonight, what happened?)
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To: Ichneumon
It is amazing how much time some humans waste saying totally idiotic things which indicate that they haven't a clue that biology research isn't an attempt "to try and disprove the existence of the Creator", and that evolution is not incompatible with belief in God: The *majority* of Americans who accept the validity of evolution are Christians.

Well said. Insecurity takes many forms......

22 posted on 05/19/2006 5:26:55 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: bkepley

Yep...usually researchers are a bit kinder to each other. He could have said that "...the examples they used for comparisons may not have been the best choice." Or something like that...but who knows? There may have been some history between them.


23 posted on 05/19/2006 5:39:52 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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24 posted on 05/19/2006 9:05:00 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: Pharmboy
Thanks, Pharmboy, for the ping.

Just adding this to the GGG catalog, not sending a general distribution, click the Multiregionalism keyword for more such topics.

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25 posted on 05/19/2006 11:49:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Pharmboy
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I don't know if I missed it or not but did they extract any DNA samples? It looks like there are are a nice amount of teeth to work with.


It seems to me it would end at least some of the basic controversy.

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26 posted on 05/19/2006 9:50:55 PM PDT by MissCalico
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