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AP NewsBreak: Guard Stint to Last 2 Years (at least two years with no clear end date)
The AP via Yahoo! News ^ | May 19, 2006 | Aaron C. Davis

Posted on 05/19/2006 7:50:15 PM PDT by new yorker 77

President Bush's planned deployment of National Guard troops to the Mexican border would last at least two years with no clear end date, according to a Pentagon memo obtained Friday by The Associated Press.

The one-page "initial guidance" memo to National Guard leaders in border states does not address the estimated cost of the mission or when soldiers would be deployed. But high-ranking officials in the California National Guard said they were told Friday that deployments would not begin before early June.

While the military document makes clear the troops would remain under the command of their governors, it also indicates a high degree of federal control over operations. It states that the National Guard Bureau's Army and Air Directories "will serve as the states' focal points for force-planning, training, organizing and equipping their forces."

Guardsmen in "all other states, territories and the District of Columbia" will serve a supportive role, according to the memo.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has not yet decided whether to commit troops to the mission, led a conference call with the governors of Arizona, New Mexico and Texas to discuss the memo.

"There still remains a lot of unanswered questions that the governor is concerned about," Adam Mandelsohn, Schwarzenegger's communications director. "Most specifically, the outstanding funding issues and whether there is a commitment to the two-year time frame," he said.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano said they would support the deployment of National Guard troops to the border, while New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Democrat, has been more critical of the plan.

A spokeswoman for Perry said the governors agreed to send a letter asking the Bush administration to clarify issues such as funding, rotation and troop levels that would be stationed in each of the states.

The president outlined the plan Monday night as part of a national address on curbing illegal immigration, pledging to gain control of the border and give up to 12 million illegal immigrants a chance at citizenship.

He proposed deploying 6,000 troops at a time to the border in two-week rotations. The deployments would be temporary, he said, until enough Border Patrol agents were hired to secure the mission. He asked Congress to add 6,000 more Border Patrol agents by the end of his presidency.

The White House also said the troops would be financed with part of the $1.9 billion requested from Congress this year to supplement border enforcement.

The memo sent Friday to Guard leaders went further, stating that units would remain in a "federally funded" mission for "up to one year, with a force reduction to 3,000 during the second year."

The document described an "end date" for the mission when the U.S. Border Patrol operation "gains independent operational control of the (southwest border) and National Guard forces are no longer required for this mission."

The memo said the Guard units' missions will focus on "surveillance, reconnaissance, aviation, intelligence, engineering, training, vehicle dismantling, linguistics ... transportation and logistics."

They will not be asked to perform law-enforcement functions, but rather provide "vetted and pre-coordinated support to law enforcement."

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Associated Press Writers Paul Davenport in Phoenix and Sheila Flynn in Dallas contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.

Copyright © 2006 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: assocpressstinks; homebychristmas; nationalguard; southernborder; twowholeyears
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1 posted on 05/19/2006 7:50:17 PM PDT by new yorker 77
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To: new yorker 77

good


2 posted on 05/19/2006 7:52:40 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: new yorker 77
President Bush's planned deployment of National Guard troops to the Mexican border would last at least two years with no clear end date

LOL, the media instinctively shouts "QUAGMIRE" regardless of circumstances when their is a Republican in the WH.

3 posted on 05/19/2006 7:54:46 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: bnelson44

It is good only if the fence is built and border agents replace the Guard.

It is also only good if even more border agents are trained and deployed than the 6,000 being promised.

14,000 more are needed above the 6,000 promised and the 12,000 already on the border.


4 posted on 05/19/2006 7:55:07 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

their is = there is


5 posted on 05/19/2006 7:55:28 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat

The MSM can't be too happy about this.


6 posted on 05/19/2006 7:56:02 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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To: new yorker 77
I hope their mission is search and detain destroy.
7 posted on 05/19/2006 7:57:01 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Gee - the dems are so very predictable.

75% of Americans want the border protected and a Dem governor says "wait just a minute there". And, he was one taking steps months ago to protect his borders.

All politics - the democrats want the issue for the 06 elections and he was planning on using his border efforts to help in his possible run for president.


8 posted on 05/19/2006 7:58:37 PM PDT by ClancyJ (To cause a democrat to win is the most effective way to destroy this country.)
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To: new yorker 77

Can't anyone at the Pentagon NOT leak anything to the f!cking press?


9 posted on 05/19/2006 7:58:53 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache ("Scientology is dangerous stuff,it's like forming a religion based around Johnny Quest and Haji.")
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To: new yorker 77

2 years sounds reasonable..

The 2008 election can then serve as a referendum on how much progress has been made in stemming the flow... for starters.


10 posted on 05/19/2006 7:59:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: new yorker 77

Get ready for questions about an "exit strategy".


11 posted on 05/19/2006 8:00:58 PM PDT by xjcsa (Fight global climate stagnation!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Trust but verify.


12 posted on 05/19/2006 8:01:24 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: new yorker 77
My experience with the Border Patrol is that they are not very efficient, to put it mildly.
13 posted on 05/19/2006 8:01:52 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: new yorker 77

What? No exit plan? How do we win the peace????


14 posted on 05/19/2006 8:02:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: new yorker 77

"...while New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Democrat, has been more critical of the plan.

Says the Guard troops are too tired, a lame excuse from a lame excuse. Richardson = the original "Anchor Baby" governor.

Yes, IIRC his Mama is Mexican and from one of the richest banking families in Mexico City. She came here(US)to give birth to this POS making him a US citizen. He's been groomed his entire life to be our first Mexican-American president.


15 posted on 05/19/2006 8:05:48 PM PDT by 1ofmanyfree ((No jobs, licenses,mortgages,bank accounts or amnesty for any illegal alien criminals ! ))
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To: bnelson44
I trust the military but the law needs to be changed to accommodate their presence on the border.
16 posted on 05/19/2006 8:06:14 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AliVeritas; holdonnow; Grampa Dave; DrDeb

FYI


17 posted on 05/19/2006 8:07:48 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: new yorker 77

Congress makes and changes laws.

They do it every day


18 posted on 05/19/2006 8:08:23 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: new yorker 77

"according to a Pentagon memo obtained Friday by The Associated Press. "


===

Another leak!!!

There should be some serious house cleaning everywhere in the government.


19 posted on 05/19/2006 8:08:34 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion
Any leak that pisses off Dick Durbin has that benefit.
20 posted on 05/19/2006 8:10:15 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: Jim Robinson
How do we win the peace????

Gotta win those "hearts and minds." If/when the third-worlders realize with the whole of their hearts and minds that crossing the border is just too difficult and risky, and that even if they get here successufully they'd be hardpressed to find (illegal) work, leech welfare goodies off the American taxpayer, and anchor their babies to automatic U.S. citizenship, we'll finally be making some progress.

Lotta work to do.

21 posted on 05/19/2006 8:10:21 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Diddle E. Squat

What? No exit stragety? I demand to know when our Guardsmen will be out of the USA! /s


22 posted on 05/19/2006 8:13:32 PM PDT by Just Lori (To everything, there is a season.........Ecclesiastes, 3:1-8)
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To: new yorker 77
I'm pretty sure the administration leaked this tidbit.

Heh.

Republicans. They only know a public relations opportunity when it smacks them in the face. Every Republican in the House and Senate should be out and about cackling about Harry Reid's assertion that making English our language is discrimination.

The admin knew it had to get a time length for those border guards out there. Cause one of the first cynical things us idiots out here in la-la land said was "How long is this going to last?"

Heh.

I'm in a pensive mood this evening. Challenge me.

23 posted on 05/19/2006 8:18:50 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: new yorker 77

The AP and CNN are reaching the point of desperation. CNN reported yesterday that Bush wants the price of first class postage to increase by ten cents to 49 cents in order to slough off the cost of retirement benefits for military wounded in Iraq.

This is going to prove untrue. Many of the stories on AP are obviously false as one reviews them.

CNN and the AP are desperate to see Bush impeached to do a big payback for Klintoon's impeachment.


24 posted on 05/19/2006 8:20:51 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: new yorker 77
Well, the Dems wanted Bush to "re-deploy" our troops.

Here ya go!

25 posted on 05/19/2006 8:21:49 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Rembrandt

It's part of the deal with North Korea (sarcasm on dead NY SLimes headline from yesterday).


26 posted on 05/19/2006 8:23:39 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: new yorker 77
He proposed deploying 6,000 troops at a time to the border in two-week rotations.

I think he said up to 6000. That means there may only be 6, 60 or 600. Little late if you ask me.

27 posted on 05/19/2006 8:24:32 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Fishtalk
Every Republican in the House and Senate should be out and about cackling about Harry Reid's assertion that making English our language is discrimination.

Absolutely. ...and they should be doing so enthusiastically, without fear. Reid made it easy for them by playing the "racism" card inappropriately. Language has nothing to do with race -- there are English and Spanish speakers of every color.

28 posted on 05/19/2006 8:24:33 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: new yorker 77
It is good only if the fence is built...

I disagree! A fence can be tunneled under or climbed over. The cost alone not to mention the eyesore it will create is just not feasble! A better alternative......MINE THE BORDER! Mines are much much cheaper, last for decades, can't be tunneled under very well and are a very effective message to send to Mexico!

29 posted on 05/19/2006 8:25:18 PM PDT by Bommer (Attention lllegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: Fishtalk
I'm in a pensive mood this evening. Challenge me.

You throw out allegations without any verification, quotes, links or anything. Why should anyone bother to challenge you?

30 posted on 05/19/2006 8:26:08 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: new yorker 77

Sh#t stinks but not half as much as the AP.

I believe nothing from the AP unless it's confirmed from a source I trust.


31 posted on 05/19/2006 8:27:02 PM PDT by sergeantdave (And though getting up in the world attracts attention, it does not establish solid worth.)
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To: org.whodat

Left out the part that already reducing to I/2 after first year. God how did I ever vote for Bush!


32 posted on 05/19/2006 8:28:38 PM PDT by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: new yorker 77
And they will do what? Go shopping south of the border, study spanish, enjoy the warm weather? As they won't have any actual role in protecting the border, won't be armed and won't be able to detain/arrest any illegals, can't see that they will be much good other than try to give Pres. Bush some cover and say he is doing something, no matter how "Clintonness" it may be.
33 posted on 05/19/2006 8:29:38 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: new yorker 77

So?


34 posted on 05/19/2006 8:30:39 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Jim Robinson

Good fences make good neighbors. All we need is affirmative control.


35 posted on 05/19/2006 8:31:08 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Memo to GOP: Don't ask me for any more money until you secure our Southern border.)
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To: org.whodat
I think he said up to 6000. That means there may only be 6, 60 or 600. Little late if you ask me.

Right. Congress funded 2,000 new border agent slots, and Bush actually hired around 300.

Until he shows some serious efforts at real border control, I remain skeptical at the rhetoric coming out of Congress or the WH.
36 posted on 05/19/2006 8:31:09 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Jim Robinson
What? No exit plan? How do we win the peace????

National Guard on the border is not going as advertised. It is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion. The American public is way ahead of us. The National Guard have done all they can in on the border, but it is time for a change in direction. Our National Guard is suffering. The future of our country is at risk. We cannot continue on the present course. It is evident that continued National Guard is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the or Mexico.

President Fox said "the perception of National Guard on the border is a major driving force behind illegal immigration".

My plan calls:

Our National Guard has done everything that has been asked of them, the U.S. can not accomplish anything further on the border. It is time to bring them home.


37 posted on 05/19/2006 8:31:48 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: org.whodat
It wasn't left out.

The memo sent Friday to Guard leaders went further, stating that units would remain in a "federally funded" mission for "up to one year, with a force reduction to 3,000 during the second year."

38 posted on 05/19/2006 8:32:42 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: JeanS
You throw out allegations without any verification, quotes, links or anything. Why should anyone bother to challenge you?

Oh my.

I thought this was like a forum for people to express their thoughts. Silly me.

I contributed to the discusstion. Don't be small.

39 posted on 05/19/2006 8:33:39 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk
OK, how does one discuss this? You put it out there.

I'm pretty sure the administration leaked this tidbit.

I think you're wrong.

That was fun.

40 posted on 05/19/2006 8:41:49 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: new yorker 77
That's a looong photo-op. For their own sanity, I hope they can at least get internet access out there, or be bale to take portable games into the field.
41 posted on 05/19/2006 8:47:13 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: JeanS
I think you're wrong.

Fair enough.

Gee hon, it's how these things go. Get a grip.

42 posted on 05/19/2006 8:48:27 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Jim Robinson
"What? No exit plan? How do we win the peace????"

LOL! That's priceless. You also neglected to mention how we are acting unilaterally, rushing to protect the border!

43 posted on 05/19/2006 8:49:51 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: Fishtalk; Mr. Mojo

Fishtalk said: "Republicans. They only know a public relations opportunity when it smacks them in the face. Every Republican in the House and Senate should be out and about cackling about Harry Reid's assertion that making English our language is discrimination."

They should also be "cackling" about the 32+/- Democrats who voted against making English the US's official language (including Biden, Hillary, Kerry, Kennedy, Bayh, etc)


44 posted on 05/19/2006 8:50:43 PM PDT by unfortunately a bluestater
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To: Jim Robinson
What? No exit plan? How do we win the peace????

And minus a sovereign nation? No sweat!

45 posted on 05/19/2006 8:55:12 PM PDT by LNewman
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To: Diddle E. Squat


FOTFLOL!
You have it nailed!


46 posted on 05/19/2006 8:56:23 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: unfortunately a bluestater

Instead, the Republicans are running around like the Keystone Kops.

Even Rush was saying today -- they have no leadership; they show no leadership.

Why send them back? Maybe it will take a Speaker Pelosi and a Majority Leader Reid to wake them up. Nothing else seems to work. They sure are ignoring their constituents on the illegal immigration issue.

Look at the number of issues the WH has flopped around like a dying mackeral just since the last election--Social Security, Miers, Dubai DPW, amnesty for illegals, English as the National language....


47 posted on 05/19/2006 9:00:10 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: new yorker 77
Well anyway...there really is a logic to my hunch that the administration leaked this.

First thing, the AP gets its hands on an actual memorandum. Not a mid of night phone call. An actual memo. Second, the memo is from the pentagon. Now I know there's leakers everywhere but this is a whole lot for it not to be intentional.

Also, this memo was distributed to a whole bunch of states so I guess it's probably not a leak at all when you think about it. Probably Joe Blow in Outpost 12 faxed a copy to the AP.

The thing to keep in mind here, this is a rather obvious attempt to put this two year thing into our collective heads. Because many of us doubt this administration's (specifically the Senate's) sincerity on this matter.

But what does a memo mean? So they send out a memo stating the rotation term could be two years. It's not like they're putting us in a time machine and thrusting us forward two years to see if there are still guards at the border.

It's like the whole middle class in this country, those who carry this country on their backs, has crossed its arms on this matter and doesn't believe a word those in the political class are telling us.

And why the hell should we? WE...meaning us silly folk who are tired of paying for welfare, health care costs, on and on, for these illegals. WE...who were killed on the attacks of 9-11...not a soldier died, not one politician. WE who want not just anybody la-di-da to just traipse across our borders. WE...who have the common sense and they call it that for a readon.

I am perfectly and very serious about this putting aside silly arguments.

I do not believe a sniff of the smoke they are blowing in our face.

48 posted on 05/19/2006 9:01:21 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Jim Robinson; new yorker 77

How can we win the peace around here???

Can we find a exit strategy for every thread turning negative????


49 posted on 05/19/2006 9:01:53 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: NormsRevenge
2 years sounds reasonable..

Depends on the per diem.

Dang. I might be guard bumming around again. This sounds good.

/johnny

50 posted on 05/19/2006 9:02:02 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (D@mit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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