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"Sen. John Kerry on the fence . . ."
The Boston Herald ^ | Saturday, May 20, 2006 | Boston Herald editorial staff

Posted on 05/20/2006 1:35:54 PM PDT by bitt

Sen. John Kerry on the fence . . . By Boston Herald editorial staff Saturday, May 20, 2006

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), fresh from the ongoing Senate debate over an immigration bill, offered the following explanation of his vote in favor of 370 miles of fence at the U.S.-Mexican border (estimated cost $3 million a mile) at yesterday’s New England Council breakfast:

“I voted for it because, first of all, a lot of it is the repair of the existing fence. A lot of it is just in the Arizona area, where we have the worst problem, the most numbers of people coming over.

“And if you go down, and you look at the numbers of border [patrol] people that we have right now, and even the numbers - I put in an amendment, which passed, and we raised the number up to about 3,000 [additional] that have to be trained and put out there. But even when we get there, we’re only going to have a couple of people or so per mile, which is simply not enough. So we’re way behind, in terms of the training and production of people. And in the short term, I think this can serve us well.

“If I were making the long-term decision, I’d announce, you know, hopefully it’s a temporary measure, and we can take it down as soon as we have enough people, and we’ve established a process where we’ve reduced the level.

“And I think that should be America’s goal, absolutely and positively. But in the temporary, we’ve got to have a comprehensive approach everywhere, and change forms of behavior everywhere. It begins with enforcement. Enforcement not just on the border, but enforcement against employers who are hiring people illegally, which is supposed to be illegal.”

That clarifies everything, now doesn’t it?

Who says this guy doesn’t have what it takes to make another run for president?


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1 posted on 05/20/2006 1:35:55 PM PDT by bitt
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To: bitt

He voted to be OFF the fence before he voted to be ON the fence...


2 posted on 05/20/2006 1:37:28 PM PDT by TommyDale (North Carolina looks forward to the disbarring of Mike Nifong.)
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To: Zacs Mom; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Boazo; Alamo-Girl; devolve; ...

LT ping!

been underground, but pop up for the good ones...


3 posted on 05/20/2006 1:38:03 PM PDT by bitt ("guests, particularly uninvited ones, are not in a position to make demands...")
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To: bitt
"I was for the fence before I was against it."

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

4 posted on 05/20/2006 1:38:33 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: bitt
Translated -- Testing the waters before starting the first leg of his Flip-Flop Tour 2006 (Immigration Edition).
5 posted on 05/20/2006 1:38:42 PM PDT by msnimje (Illegals to US CITIZENS .... "You Suck.......Now pass the mash potatoes!")
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To: bitt

"Equivocation is my position" - John Kerry


6 posted on 05/20/2006 1:41:06 PM PDT by LA Conservative (Al Gore in 2008 - The gift that keeps on giving)
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To: bitt

On a side note separate from Kerry's usual ramblings...

I think the 370 mile fence we talked about was not a good idea.

Why?

Because it was only 370 miles?!

Illegal aliens will continue to cross our southern border until we seal it off completely.

370 miles worth of construction is, at best, a band-aid. Some will say that 370 miles is better than nothing - and I agree.

But we needed to go much further than 370 miles.


7 posted on 05/20/2006 1:42:05 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: bitt

He voted for it for his self defence, not for the DeFence of this country


8 posted on 05/20/2006 1:42:09 PM PDT by zipp_city
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To: TommyDale

"Kerrys booking it -
According to annual financial disclosure forms filed in the Senate, John Kerry is scheduled to write a book on the environment with his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/14624461.htm

GOTTA see what Teresa has to say in a book....heh heh...


9 posted on 05/20/2006 1:43:20 PM PDT by bitt ("guests, particularly uninvited ones, are not in a position to make demands...")
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10 posted on 05/20/2006 1:43:35 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: bitt
I cant believe Kerry is still getting any press.He simply cant make decisions.
11 posted on 05/20/2006 1:43:56 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: bitt
"GOTTA see what Teresa has to say in a book....heh heh..."

Probably something like: ""

12 posted on 05/20/2006 1:45:13 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: bitt
Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), fresh from the ongoing Senate debate over an immigration bill, offered the following explanation of his vote in favor of 370 miles of fence at the U.S.-Mexican border (estimated cost $3 million a mile) at yesterday’s New England Council breakfast:

May I be so bold as to offer a statement on behalf of the losing runner for the Presidency?

Life is good, could be better and it could be worse.

With your demise when running for the Presidential office, it is seen and felt as better Mr. Kerry.

13 posted on 05/20/2006 1:45:17 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: bitt

They never make sense.


14 posted on 05/20/2006 1:46:49 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: All

Don't miss this one...

http://www.theonerepublic.com/archives/Columns/Aronoff/20060512AronoffCensor.html

Senator John "The Censor" Kerry
by Roger Aronoff [filmmaker, writer] 5/12/06


Senator John Kerry, the defeated 2004 Democratic Presidential candidate, is sounding like a candidate again. But his recent spouting off about Iraq has served to divert attention from accusations that could sink any future presidential run. Kerry is the target of a lawsuit that accuses him of trying to suppress a documentary that told the truth about his anti-Vietnam War activities.
...........


15 posted on 05/20/2006 1:46:53 PM PDT by bitt ("guests, particularly uninvited ones, are not in a position to make demands...")
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To: bitt
“If I were making the long-term decision, I’d announce, you know, hopefully it’s a temporary measure, and we can take it down as soon as we have enough people, and we’ve established a process where we’ve reduced the level.

Take it down? What a complete idiot. I guess he was for the fence, but later will be against it.

16 posted on 05/20/2006 1:48:32 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: bitt

Use only the purest of gins to soak your sundried organically grown raisins for the best all natural arthritis relief.


17 posted on 05/20/2006 1:50:19 PM PDT by kalee (Send your senator the dictionary definition of "amnesty")
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To: bitt
Please let the RATS nominate Kerry, Gore, or Hildabeast in 2008.
18 posted on 05/20/2006 1:50:41 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

he wants to spend millions to "defend us", then spend millions to take it down "later" when "we don't NEED it..."????


19 posted on 05/20/2006 1:50:45 PM PDT by bitt ("guests, particularly uninvited ones, are not in a position to make demands...")
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To: bitt

Hehe. I had to go back and look. I "assumed" it was Scrappleface.


20 posted on 05/20/2006 1:51:04 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: bitt

Wet finger-in-the-wind again Kerry, always wants it both ways.


21 posted on 05/20/2006 1:52:30 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: bitt

What utter nonsense! This guy definitely has an advanced case of Washheimer's Disease, which is characterized by the ability to speak for hours on any subject without saying anything meaningful or useful.


22 posted on 05/20/2006 1:57:27 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Memo to GOP: Don't ask me for any more money until you secure our Southern border.)
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To: bitt
“If I were making the long-term decision, I’d announce, you know, hopefully it’s a temporary measure, and we can take it down as soon as we have enough people, and we’ve established a process where we’ve reduced the level.

What is he smoking? BTW, I'm sure Heinze doesn't have any illegals on their payroll, right?

23 posted on 05/20/2006 1:58:18 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: bitt
I might be wrong but the fervency of some Democrats and RINOS for the amnesty legislation S2611 has lost a lot of it's original shine.

The Democrats as opposed to the Republican RINOS are reading the adverse poll numbers to this fiasco known as amnesty immigration reform or SHAMNESTY.

When the old people who belong to AARP and other retired groups get word (and they will) that this bill allows felons to draw and possibly destabilize their Social Security, then all hell may break loose again.

Democrats may owe allegiance to many extreme radical groups but many of those extreme radicals also draw Social Security and other benefits threatened by this idiocy known as Amnesty for Illegal Aliens.

Just My Opinion.

KOOL AID drinkers and open border advocates go ahead an flame away.
24 posted on 05/20/2006 2:01:10 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Kerry's amendment requires that the fence have detour instructions, written in Spanish, on the Mexican side.


25 posted on 05/20/2006 2:04:01 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: bitt; CMS; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; OneLoyalAmerican; bkwells; blacklions; ...

NOTE : For those on the far left AND far right
you'll have to put up with me exposing
hanoi kerry EVERY chance I get!

Too bad you believe that the Swift Boat Vets
were wrong and hanoi kerry was right.

Too bad you condone a low life traitor in the US Senate.

Well I don't and never will!

The "war" for the truth was NOT won on Nov 2 2004,
the "war" still continues with the empowerment by
those who refuse to bring justice to hanoi kerry.




I VOW to the 58,000 + Brothers and Sisters on
The Viet Nam Wall who never came home
and to those who died at home from injuries and
from broken hearts.

"I will do everything I LEGALLY can
to expose Hanoi Kerry once and for all.

I will not tire, I will not falter,
and I will not fail.

I solemnly vow to do all I can to restore your honor
until I give my last breath on earth."

http://www.freerepublic.com/~6869tonkingulfyachtc/




hanoi kerry and his own War Crimes in Vietnam

He was in command of a Swift Boat
and ordered his men to do these things.
Listen to this 1971 audio clip in hanoi kerry's own words.

Listen Here

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Kerry2.mp3

hanoi kerry went before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in 1971
to accuse the United States military
of committing massive numbers of war crimes in Vietnam.

hanoi kerry 1971 TESTIMONY

http://www.c-span.org/vote2004/jkerrytestimony.asp

Legislative Proposals Relating to the War in Southeast Asia Thursday, April 22, 1971
United States Senate, Committee on Foreign Relations, Washington, D.C.




There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3 (1868)

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States,
or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath,
as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer
of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States,
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,

or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html




The FBI has proof of his giving aid and comfort to the enemies

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html




a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,

or with any offense punishable by death,

may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS




904. ART. 104. AIDING THE ENEMY

Any person who--

(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or

(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or [protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;
shall suffer death
or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

http://www.military-network.com/main_ucmj/SUBCHAPTERX.html#904.104





26 posted on 05/20/2006 2:12:15 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Support the troops by exposing the threats to them like hanoi kerry, Medea Benjamin and Code Pink)
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To: bitt
booo...


Yooo Hooo... I'm over HERE!!!
27 posted on 05/20/2006 2:12:19 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

He's always for it before he's against it.


28 posted on 05/20/2006 2:16:43 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Chode


29 posted on 05/20/2006 2:18:11 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: bitt
he wants to spend millions to "defend us", then spend millions to take it down "later" when "we don't NEED it..."????

Sadly, you just don't get nuance.

30 posted on 05/20/2006 2:18:15 PM PDT by RedRover (A temporary fence--that must have come out of a focus group!)
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To: goldstategop

"I was for the fence before I was against it."

Really he was. He really was.

He and the other Democrats and RINOs voted against the first amendment that was 700 miles of fence. Then they voted for the watered down version.




Sen. Reid's prior position on immigration reform (reduction in numbers) and on illegial immigration which he not only held, but promoted would be considered by the left wing media, etc., as racist. Personally, they are very sensable views which most Americans today strongly agree with they are not racist.

Why won't the media question Reid on his past position? They should make him defend it. The good news there is that if they made him attempt to defend it, he and the viewer would quickly realize that these points are just plain sensible - and more so today.

Here's Harry Reid - 1993 (thanks to Drudge for the copy)

Dem Senate Leader Harry Reid: 'Our Federal Wallet Stretched To Limit By Illegal Aliens Getting Welfare'

'Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally'

August 5, 1993

The Office of Sen. Harry Reid issued the following:

In response to increased terrorism and abuse of social programs by aliens, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) today introduced the first and only comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress.

Currently, an alien living illegally in the United States often pays no taxes but receives unemployment, welfare, free medical care and other federal benefits. Recent terrorist acts, including the World Trade Center bombing [the first one], have underscored the need to keep violent criminals out of the country.

Reid's bill, the Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993, overhauls the nation's immigration laws and calls for a massive scale-down of immigrants allowed into the country from approximately 800,000 to 300,000.

The bill also changes asylum laws to prevent phony asylum seekers. Reid said the U.S. open door policy is being abused at the expense of honest, working citizens.

"We are a country founded upon fairness and justice," Reid said. "An individual in real threat of torture or long-term incarceration because of his or her political beliefs can still seek asylum. But this bill closes the door to those who want to abuse America's inherent generosity and legal system."

Reid's bill also cracks down on illegal immigration. The 1990 census reported 3.3 million illegal aliens in America. Recent estimates indicate about 2.5 million immigrants illegally entered the United States last year.

"Our borders have overflowed with illegal immigrants placing tremendous burdens on our criminal justice system, schools and social programs," Reid said. "The Immigration and Naturalization Service needs the ability to step up enforcement.

"Our federal wallet is stretched to the limit by illegal aliens getting welfare, food stamps, medical care and other benefits often without paying any taxes.

"Safeguards like welfare and free medical care are in place to boost Americans in need of short-term assistance. These programs were not meant to entice freeloaders and scam artists from around the world. "Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally," Reid said.

Specific provisions of Reid's Immigration Stabilization Act include the following:

-- Reduces annual legal immigration levels from approximately 800,000 admissions per year to about 300,000. Relatives other than spouse or minor children will be admitted only if already on immigration waiting lists and their admission does not raise annual immigration levels above 300,000.

-- Reforms asylum rules to prevent aliens from entering the United States illegally under phony "asylum" claims.

-- Expands list of felonies considered "aggravated" felonies requiring exclusion and deportation of criminal aliens. Allows courts to order deportation at time of sentencing.

-- Increases penalties for failing to depart or re-entering the United States after a final order of deportation order. Increases maximum penalties for visa fraud from five years to 10 years.

-- Curtails alien smuggling by authorizing interdiction and repatriation of aliens seeking to enter the United States unlawfully by sea. Increases penalties for alien smuggling.

-- Adds "alien smuggling" to the list of crimes subject to sanctions under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Expands the categories of property that are forfeited when used to facilitate the smuggling or harboring of illegal aliens.

-- Clarifies that a person born in the United States to an alien mother who is not a lawful resident is not a U.S. citizen. This will eliminate incentive for pregnant alien women to enter the United States illegally, often at risk to mother and child, for the purpose of acquiring citizenship for the child and accompanying federal financial benefits.

-- Mandates that aliens who cannot demonstrably support themselves without public or private assistance are excludable. This will prevent admission of aliens likely to be dependent on public financial support. This requirement extends to the sponsor of any family sponsored immigrant.

-- Increases border security and patrol officers to 9,900 full-time positions.


31 posted on 05/20/2006 2:18:58 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: bitt

32 posted on 05/20/2006 2:20:03 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: OKIEDOC

"The Democrats as opposed to the Republican RINOS are reading the adverse poll numbers to this fiasco known as amnesty immigration reform or SHAMNESTY."

Yes, McCain was whining that it shouldnt be called amnesty .... fine, call it sham-nesty, that is what it is.

http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/


33 posted on 05/20/2006 2:20:31 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; bitt; All

34 posted on 05/20/2006 2:20:39 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: bitt

Who?


35 posted on 05/20/2006 2:22:23 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: bitt

The reporter left out Kerry's last sentence: "Of course, I plan to vote against the fence next time it is put up for a vote."


36 posted on 05/20/2006 2:26:21 PM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: MplsSteve

This is a start. Not all of the border is passable, such as huge sections of Big Bend. Fence key sections then expand on those each year but start NOW. Those of us who live in border states have had it with this mess. This president is failing us on a very key issue, this is not some PR campaign, we're series!


37 posted on 05/20/2006 2:27:50 PM PDT by brushcop (Lt. Harris, SFC Salie, CPL Long, SPC Hornbeck, B-Co, 2/69 3ID We will remember you always.)
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To: No Blue States

38 posted on 05/20/2006 2:29:52 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Memo to GOP: Don't ask me for any more money until you secure our Southern border.)
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To: Stepan12
Image hosted by Photobucket.com wedding night photo???
39 posted on 05/20/2006 2:37:42 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: bitt

Why does anyone even bother to check with Kerry on anything?!


40 posted on 05/20/2006 2:40:21 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: Chode
Go to freeper Paleo's website and that's where I borrowed the picture.

Sorry, I don't know how to ping him.

41 posted on 05/20/2006 2:42:07 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

ability to speak for hours on any subject without saying anything meaningful or useful.

You do know, ofcourse, that Kerry served in Viet Nam?


42 posted on 05/20/2006 2:49:12 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (what support is Sinclair giving to a candidate)
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To: Chode
Boo back... ;)


43 posted on 05/20/2006 2:52:48 PM PDT by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: Joan Kerrey

This is Un-JohnF'n-Believable. (But I do believe every stinkin' word of it).


44 posted on 05/20/2006 3:01:37 PM PDT by Socratic ("I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa.")
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To: bitt
Hi bitt! Great to see you.

Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

45 posted on 05/20/2006 3:02:47 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Amen.
Let there be light and justice.
J F'n Kerry is beneath contempt.
He is truly loathesome.


46 posted on 05/20/2006 3:03:33 PM PDT by BurrOh (Kerry, honored member of War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City)
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To: bitt
“If I were making the long-term decision, I’d announce, you know, hopefully it’s a temporary measure, and we can take it down as soon as we have enough people, and we’ve established a process where we’ve reduced the level.

The man is a moron. Someone should tell Kerry he'd be better off not speaking. He should just show up for windsurfing photo ops.

47 posted on 05/20/2006 3:06:49 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: bitt

I read that this morning.

The Herald is at times Schizo in my opinion, but that commentary was a bulls eye.


48 posted on 05/20/2006 3:08:21 PM PDT by Radix (Why do they call them Morons when they don't know so much? Shouldn't they be called Lessons?)
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To: BurrOh

loathesome=loathsome


49 posted on 05/20/2006 3:09:19 PM PDT by BurrOh (Kerry, honored member of War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City)
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To: bitt

It begins with enforcement. Enforcement not just on the border, but enforcement against employers who are hiring people illegally, which is supposed to be illegal.”

Sure John, let's make capitalist businessmen criminals,
rather than deal with invaders.

I wish he'd stayed in Cambodia!


50 posted on 05/20/2006 3:09:22 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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