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Border Wall to Cost at Least $3 Million Per Mile
Newsmax ^ | 5-19-2006 | Jim Meyers

Posted on 05/21/2006 4:58:16 AM PDT by ovrtaxt

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To: Always Right
The fact is America does not have enough people willing to do hard labor. Certainly American work ethic is one of the best, but most people would rather do something else. I am sure you disagree, but without Mexican labor, it would take 2 or 3 times longer to rebuild New Orleans.

You obviously don't spend much time around schools these days. As a teacher for 12 years, I can tell you without hesitation, that the work ethic of our young people has gone to hell. As a witness to local farms who CANNOT, no matter what they pay, find Americans who will work (they show up for a day, sweat a little putting levy gates in, and quit), I can verify that America's work ethic (as a whole) has gone downhill, and not just in labor jobs.

And as long as we continue to import our laborers, it's only going to get worse. How many NO residents are still without work and/or displaced? Why the heck are they not in NO helping with the rebuilding (not saying that none are...)? My understanding is that NO had a very high unemployement rate prior to the hurricane - so where are all of them? Still getting free housing from FEMA?

61 posted on 05/21/2006 5:45:13 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan and a Cancer on Society)
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To: MinuteGal

These costs aren't anywhere near staggering. They are a miniscule fraction of the costs of health care and public education for illegals. I have posted numerous links which document the numbers.

And walls DO work. Sure, a few will get through, but San Diego won't have the daily track meet across the interstate like they do now.

There's no good economic reason to NOT build it.


62 posted on 05/21/2006 5:45:16 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: Wolfie

sigh......

Maybe I didn't make it clear enough.

READ THE LINKS!! A wall is cheap!


63 posted on 05/21/2006 5:46:03 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (My donation to the GOP went here instead: http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php)
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To: ovrtaxt

But it's still a waste of money if those already here, and future invaders are rewarded for their efforts by granting them amnesty (by any other name is still amnesty...guest worker, etc.) The only way we SAVE any money in building the fence/wall is if we deport those already here illegally.


64 posted on 05/21/2006 5:48:54 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan and a Cancer on Society)
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To: ovrtaxt
That has driven aliens and drug smugglers to more remote and treacherous migration routes, and migrants increasingly hire smugglers to help them make the three-day hike through parched terrain – a tactic they could use to circumvent the new 700-mile fence. By risking death in the desert..that will deter many from coming. I don't see that as a way to cirumvent the new fence. Plus it will be easier to monitor via air as there's no where to hide.
65 posted on 05/21/2006 5:49:03 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: TheBattman

Guest worker isn't amnesty. It's like a green card. However, if you're referring to a guest worker program that allows the illegals to magically be legal...well then yes that is amnesty.


66 posted on 05/21/2006 5:50:20 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: x1stcav

I estimated it would be about the same as an interstate a long time ago. Not that it has to be, it's just what Bush et. al. will force it to be. For example, you don't have to litigate anything, if private land owners don't want the fence, just let the illegals be focused through their land.

This doesn't need to be the Great Wall of China to be effective.


67 posted on 05/21/2006 5:52:01 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: ovrtaxt

A dirt berm with razor wire would suffice.

Unless its well guarded a wall wont stop them anyway.


68 posted on 05/21/2006 5:52:10 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: TheBattman
You obviously don't spend much time around schools these days. As a teacher for 12 years, I can tell you without hesitation, that the work ethic of our young people has gone to hell.

As bad as you think it is, we still have a long way to go before we catch up to say, the French. I hire and subcontract lots of hard working legal labor in an area that doesn't have much of a Mexican work force. I know there are certain jobs I have to pay a premium on because of the lack of Mexican labor. For instance I pay about 33% more for masonry work than I would if I were a hour away in the big city where there is a Mexican labor force.

69 posted on 05/21/2006 5:53:33 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: FreedomPoster

The cost of not building the wall(and backing it up) is far greater than the piddling dollars mentioned.


70 posted on 05/21/2006 5:54:29 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than here.)
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To: Darkwolf377

"There's more to do of course, but reasonable people can see he has made great progress towards what we want."

No, reasonable people can see that the amnesty provisions will result in an influx of 50 million ill educated quasi slaves who are basically socialists. The smoke and mirrors to appease conservatives can't obfuscate the fact that this is an empire breaker. Hello Tiajuana.


71 posted on 05/21/2006 5:56:22 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Darkwolf377
I'm surprised Newsmax has actually admitted Bush has asked for 1000 more agents AND money towards walls/fences. Shocking.

It's not actually very surprising.

I've noticed some of the static here has quieted as people realize that, indeed, the President IS giving us some of what we want. There's more to do of course, but reasonable people can see he has made great progress towards what we want.

After blocking the hiring of so many new Border agents that the Congress wanted and authorized (probably to alleviate the anticipated problems with Bush's amnesty plan), Bush laid waste to the improvements in Border Patrol manpower. Bush has actually robbed us of more security which the Congress intended and funded and now Bush, caught in the act of committing amnesty, drops a few crumbs for you to lap up like a good little lapdog. And you fell for it.

Remember when? Accompanied by the usual hoopla, President Bush approved the National Intelligence Reform Act on December 17, 2004 that included adding 10,000 border patrol agents in the next five years. About 80% of the agents were to be assigned to the southern border. SF Chronicle However, by Monday, February 7, 2005, when the Bush Budget was released, the number of border patrol agents to be hired shrunk to 210. This was explained by the Administration as a reflection of "the lack of money for an army of border guards and the capacity to train them."
[SFGate.com is merely republishing an article from Michael Hedges of the Houston Chronicle.]

Notice that in the article, Sensenbrenner was one of those most strongly pushing Bush on funding the new agents. This helps explain why Sensenbrenner is being a bit of a thorn in Bush's side at present. Sensenbrenner feels Bush backed out of a deal they had already reached. And now the House is getting blamed for putting in the felony provisions when they say BushCo specifically asked them to put those in.
72 posted on 05/21/2006 5:58:54 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: ovrtaxt

Why is it that they never report the details of pork barrel projects, but this, oh boy, we've got to hyperventilate.


73 posted on 05/21/2006 6:00:46 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Darkwolf377
"I've noticed some of the static here has quieted as people realize that, indeed, the President IS giving us some of what we want."

He's still pushing the damned amnesty/path to citizenship, isn't he. If that happens, none of the rest of his supposed "concessions" matter at all, because as soon as the massive crop of illegals are able to vote, we will have an irreversible shift to total socialism in the USA. The Republican party will disappear and the Democrats will gain permanent control. We will become, in essence, Mexico.

74 posted on 05/21/2006 6:02:39 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: x1stcav

How about like the walls that line urban interstates shielding residential areas.

They are often 20 feet high and are made of prestressed concrete modular componants. They are apparently the most cost effective solution because they are everywhere.


75 posted on 05/21/2006 6:03:34 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: ovrtaxt
That price is ludicrous
I cannot believe that a fence or even a wall can cost that much
76 posted on 05/21/2006 6:08:32 AM PDT by 1903A3
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To: ovrtaxt
Sitting down with the wife discussing the subject. 3 mil a mile? No way! We could cut costs down by asking for volunteers. I'm a surveyor by trade, and I'd gladly donate a month of my time to aid in construction.

All those FEMA trailers sitting up in Arkansas, move them down to the border to house the volunteers. I'm sure that there a plenty of peoperty owners that would allow temporary work camps.

77 posted on 05/21/2006 6:09:46 AM PDT by CrawDaddyCA (Free Travis McGee!!)
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To: MinuteGal
There's no wall in the world that will contain clever people determined to get over, through or under it.

So the solution is to allow 160,000 people (120,000 of whom are sent back) a month to cross our southern border and not build physical barriers? Should we dismantle the ones we already have, including the 23 mile long fence south of San Diego?

The reason walls erected by tyrants worked was because potential escapees were ruthlessly and summarily shot on sight, as in Berlin.

Are you equating the construction of physical barriers on our southern border to keep people out to the Berlin Wall, which kept people in? If so, you are certifiable. I lived four years in Berlin (1983-87). West Berlin was an island surrounded by East Germany. Not only was there a wall surrounding West Berlin, but there were fences and walls separating East from West Germany.

If anything, using your analogy, Mexico is the corrupt tyranny with 40% of its people living below the poverty line who are trying to flee into the US, the equivalent of West Berlin. The problem is that we cannot absorb every Mexican that wants to enter the US and unlike the East Gewrmans who fled to West Germany, we don't share a common culture and language with the Mexicans.

What is your solution to stop the 500,000 to 850,000 illegal aliens who are coming into the US annually and now number anywhere from 11 to 20 million?

78 posted on 05/21/2006 6:12:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ovrtaxt
Yes, there IS a good economic reason not to build the wall.

Cut out the welfare and other benefits of every kind and go after the employers of the illegals at little cost. That'll stop the influx and start an exodus. This is the one plan the White House doesn't want.

I should have been more clear in stating that conservatives, including many here, are actually HAPPY with this second-choice bone (a wall) thrown at them to keep them quiet....oh, brother.

The first and only choice is the one stated above.....but the President will never do this as he doesn't seem to mind the invasion and is for amnesty. He knows the idea of the fun and games of building a highly-visible, behemoth, high-tech wall will keep everyone (especially security moms and techies) entertained and riveted for a long time while the actual pro-invasion program keeps going on as planned in the background.

The idea of the cost of the wall versus the cost of health care and education for the illegals is a false choice. Neither is acceptable.

BTW, what's the Adminstration's position on anchor babies, one of the greatest rip-offs in present-day American history? Don't answer. I already know the issue is NOT being addressed, nor will it.

As every golfer should know, the Adminstration wants you to keep your eyes on the Wall.

Leni

79 posted on 05/21/2006 6:13:32 AM PDT by MinuteGal (FReeps Ahoy 4 cruisers are on the way home! Check the cruise thread for great photos in a few days.)
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To: MinuteGal
There's no wall in the world that will contain clever people determined to get over, through or under it.

Yep, its like locks on the backdoor for keeping out a theif.

80 posted on 05/21/2006 6:14:42 AM PDT by Raycpa
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