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Surge of volunteers expected to help illegal immigrants cross desert
News 4 Tucson ^ | May 21, 2006 | KVOA.com and the Associated Press

Posted on 05/21/2006 7:20:11 AM PDT by KoRn

A surge in the number of volunteers fanning out across Arizona's southern deserts to aid illegal immigrants is expected this summer.

The increase comes despite the ongoing prosecution of two volunteers arrested last summer on federal charges they intentionally conspired to transport illegal entrants, leaders of illegal immigrant aid groups said.

Shanti A. Sellz and Daniel M. Strauss, both 24, were arrested as they drove illegal entrants to a clinic on July 9 and face trial in October.

Leaders of two faith-based groups, No More Deaths and Samaritan Patrol, say they've signed up hundreds of volunteers to deliver food, water and medical aid to migrants illegally walking into the country from Mexico. No More Deaths alone has 500 registered volunteers, up from 300 last summer.

A third group, Humane Borders, puts water tanks in areas frequented by illegal migrants.

The groups are trying to reach an agreement with the U.S. Border Patrol spelling out legal ways they can provide humanitarian aid to illegal migrants.

The biggest issue is what to do when volunteers come across migrants they believe need immediate medical attention, the same situation that Sellz and Strauss contend led to their arrests.

No More Deaths legal adviser Margo Cowan said she's presented a draft agreement to the U.S. Border Patrol spelling out how to deal with similar situations.

But Michael Nicley, chief of the Border Patrol's Tucson Sector, says he hasn't signed it. He said he is trying to maintain good relations with the aid groups but it is never right to transport illegal entrants, even if they're gravely ill. He said anyone who comes across an ill migrant should call the Border Patrol.

"If someone has a heart attack, then they need to summon emergency medical care," he said. "The smart way is not to load them in a vehicle and drive them to Tucson."

Cowan said her group is looking forward to "a good working collaboration with the Border Patrol this summer," and Border Patrol agents will attend No More Deaths training sessions.

"We're going to do everything we can to work with the U.S. to save lives. We're not picking fights," Cowan said.

Since Oct. 1, federal records show 73 migrants have died in the Border Patrol's Tucson Sector, which runs from the New Mexico line to the western edge of Pima County, most caused by heat exhaustion and dehydration.

A total of 216 deaths, including women and children, were recorded in the Tucson Sector from Oct. 1, 2004 through Sept. 30, 2005.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; conspirators; humaneborders; nomoredeaths; samaritanpatrol; tucson
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These people are aiding and abetting criminals. They may see themselves as being on some kind of humanitarian mission, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
1 posted on 05/21/2006 7:20:12 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn

"These people are aiding and abetting criminals. They may see themselves as being on some kind of humanitarian mission, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

TRUE! And remember, the media portrays them all (mexican illegals)as victims and innocent and only wanting a better life. They DO NOT portray the ones who are criminals, and would be dangerous to the volunteers. They won't be able to call the police out in the desert!


2 posted on 05/21/2006 7:23:27 AM PDT by The Worthless Miracle ("Better put some ice on that")
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To: KoRn

This is a bad thing? With these well-intentioned useful idiots roaming around out there, how hard could it be to find the illegals they are hooking up with?

And, while I have been told that illegally entering this country is a misdemeanor, AIDING AND ABETTING those who do so is a FELONY.

If that is true...this could be a positive thing!


3 posted on 05/21/2006 7:24:04 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: KoRn
Traitorous wretches.

Let them all suffer the harshest penalties provided by law -- and let the penalties be made harsher for the next batch of these scumbags.
4 posted on 05/21/2006 7:26:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: KoRn

About the time the humanitarians find themselves getting ambushed and the females raped by coyotes, their help will come to an abrupt halt.

Too bad someone will be hurt or killed before they figure it out.


5 posted on 05/21/2006 7:26:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: KoRn
Why not arrest these law breaking volunteers and send the ILLEGALS BACK? We know in ADVANCE their doing this ... duh alert!
6 posted on 05/21/2006 7:28:12 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: KoRn
How long will it be before Cindy Sheehan tries to get into the publicity surrounding illegal aliens?

Her present 'cause' is dying on the vine and she can't sell any of her books.

What does a woman who lives off media attention do in a case like this?

7 posted on 05/21/2006 7:28:29 AM PDT by capt. norm (W.C. Fields: "Hollywood is the gold cap on a tooth that should have been pulled out years ago.")
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To: KoRn

It doesn't seem to me that illegally crossing the border ought to be considered an exercise in religious faith.


8 posted on 05/21/2006 7:28:41 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: KoRn

These people are clueless, and the desert border regions of New Mexico and Arizona are not good places for the clueless to roam around in the summer heat. There will be more casualties among the "volunteers" than there will be among the illegals.


9 posted on 05/21/2006 7:32:43 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: nmh
" Why not arrest these law breaking volunteers and send the ILLEGALS BACK?"

It continues to be a mystery to me. Sadly it seems politics trumps the law. The solution to all of this is simple, its called LAW ENFORCEMENT!

10 posted on 05/21/2006 7:35:28 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn
These people are aiding and abetting criminals.

And by doing so, the warped traitors in No More Deaths, by encouraging illegal and dangerous border crossings, are ensuring that there will be more deaths. Door knobs!

11 posted on 05/21/2006 7:35:48 AM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Enhance Capitol security: Censure Cynthia!)
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To: DJ Taylor
"These people are clueless, and the desert border regions of New Mexico and Arizona are not good places for the clueless to roam around in the summer heat."

As crazy everything has become on this issue, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they received Federal assistance of some type. I wonder if they have had any dealings with the Mexican government.

12 posted on 05/21/2006 7:38:11 AM PDT by KoRn
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Border Patrol agents will attend No More Deaths training sessions

Um.  Why?

13 posted on 05/21/2006 7:40:16 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ISLAM: The Other Psychosis)
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To: KoRn

If they had the courage of their convictions, any reasonable "no more deaths [on the border]" campaign would start and end in Mexico. But they wouldn't last very long there, now would they?


14 posted on 05/21/2006 7:45:48 AM PDT by thoughtomator (A thread without a comment on immigration is not complete)
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To: KoRn
""Cowan said her group is looking forward to "a good working collaboration with the Border Patrol this summer," and Border Patrol agents will attend No More Deaths training sessions.""

There's a big piece of the problem. The border partol agents don't need to attend "No More Deaths" training. I'm of the mindset that another kind of training is needed.

15 posted on 05/21/2006 7:49:45 AM PDT by meyer (Permanently boycott all businesses that close for the May 1st illegal alien march!)
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To: KoRn

These folks have lost leave of their senses.

Has the world gone topsy turvey? Just read this morning the Brits are letting over 200 people on THEIR terrosit list stay in the UK...


16 posted on 05/21/2006 7:52:42 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: KoRn

Arn't they just being good Christians?


17 posted on 05/21/2006 7:53:07 AM PDT by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: meyer
"The border partol agents don't need to attend "No More Deaths" training."

I'd be willing to bet the Border Patrol Agents have no desire to attend this. Stupidity like this is born of government bureaucrats not law enforcement.

18 posted on 05/21/2006 7:53:07 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn
But Michael Nicley, chief of the Border Patrol's Tucson Sector, says he hasn't signed it. He said he is trying to maintain good relations with the aid groups but it is never right to transport illegal entrants, even if they're gravely ill.

It sounds like the Border Patrol maintains better relations with these unpaid coyotes than with the Minutemen. Imagine the stink if cops shadowed these people like they do the Minutemen.

Nothing like having self-confessed felons praised by the media, while a "neighborhood watch" group like the Minutemen are smeared.

How many of these "gravely ill 'immigrants'" miraculously recover once inside the city limits and are let off on a street corner, rather then being taken to a hospital's ER?

19 posted on 05/21/2006 7:54:04 AM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: KoRn

I wonder how tough it would be for the Border Patrol to follow them and empty the water tanks. It doesn't sound that tought to me.


20 posted on 05/21/2006 7:55:38 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America! Where Bush or "global warming" is blamed for EVERYTHING bad that happens.)
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To: SE Mom
"Has the world gone topsy turvey?

Yes it has. We are truly in bizarro world now.

21 posted on 05/21/2006 7:56:03 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"I wonder how tough it would be for the Border Patrol to follow them and empty the water tanks. It doesn't sound that tought to me."

I was thinking about how a high powered rifle would do wonders for those water containers. If you think about trying it, make sure no illegals are anywhere NEAR those containers. You would be immediately arrested, sent to Mexico, and executed.

22 posted on 05/21/2006 7:58:54 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn

You commit civil disobedience...
you must be prepared to face the consequences.

At least that's what they taught in high school "civics" class back
in the late 1960s-70s.


23 posted on 05/21/2006 7:59:54 AM PDT by VOA
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To: zarf
Arn't they just being good Christians?

In the traditional sense, yes. In the American Christianist sense no.

24 posted on 05/21/2006 8:01:46 AM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: KoRn
I'd be willing to bet the Border Patrol Agents have no desire to attend this. Stupidity like this is born of government bureaucrats not law enforcement.

I agree. I'm intimately familiar with bureaucratic requirements - long on "feel good" and short on real-world results.

25 posted on 05/21/2006 8:02:38 AM PDT by meyer (Permanently boycott all businesses that close for the May 1st illegal alien march!)
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To: VOA
"At least that's what they taught in high school "civics" class back in the late 1960s-70s."

That was always my understanding as well, by the time I got in high school they had stopped teaching that. I'm just glad I paid attention early on in school when they did teach such values. I was in high school during the Clinton years, but I think the downfall of values in school had begun way before then.

26 posted on 05/21/2006 8:05:12 AM PDT by KoRn
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Are they trespassing on private property?

This is huge lawsuit potenial against these Ivy League coyotes.

Trespass is an intentional tort. You can sue a trespasser for damamges. There are also other torts happening here--leading more trespassers onto private land, littlering, providing a danger and a hazard...they'd be defending themselves forever, and my guess is that these little NE liberals have some daddy-assets.

27 posted on 05/21/2006 8:05:22 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Interesting take. I hope the land owners down there keep an eye out for this.


28 posted on 05/21/2006 8:06:46 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn

Landowners would be the ones who'd have to sue. But others like the Minutemen could help gather evidence and set up these self-infatuated Messiah wannabes. No brainer, slam dunk. And I don't think this group has Christian affiliations, despite the "Samaritan" jazz.


29 posted on 05/21/2006 8:08:30 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: KoRn

The Presbyterian church next to the Copper Queen Hotel in Bisbee Arizina has a sign up promoting the cause.


30 posted on 05/21/2006 8:10:18 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: zarf
Are they being good Christians, you ask? I don't know.

Are the Mexicans fleeing something? Are they in pursuit of Christian enlightenment here in the US and need Christian assistance?

Why is helping someone break into our country being a good Christian? Wouldn't it be more Christian to fix the reasons they want to leave their home?

31 posted on 05/21/2006 8:11:30 AM PDT by GBA
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To: KoRn

I'm betting they are tax exempt non-profits. Would love to get a peek at their donor rolls.


32 posted on 05/21/2006 8:12:01 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: rlmorel
And, while I have been told that illegally entering this country is a misdemeanor, AIDING AND ABETTING those who do so is a FELONY.

Yes, and they should go to jail for a very long time. The BP should also stake out their aid stations and water stations to catch the and deport the criminals they are set up to aid.

33 posted on 05/21/2006 8:13:51 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: KoRn
Then again, these "volunteer groups" might be a front for the Border Patrol who want to lure the illegals to a watering hole so they can round them up and herd them back to Methico.

We might need to get that word out to the Methican gubmint.(wink)

34 posted on 05/21/2006 8:14:13 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America! Where Bush or "global warming" is blamed for EVERYTHING bad that happens.)
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To: bert

This church could also get slapped with a lawsuit if they bring trespassers onto private propterty. It's called "conspiracy."


35 posted on 05/21/2006 8:15:14 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Roccus
"Would love to get a peek at their donor rolls"

Time for some snooping around, pajama patrol style =)

36 posted on 05/21/2006 8:23:49 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: BenLurkin

"Traitorous wretches.

Let them all suffer the harshest penalties provided by law -- and let the penalties be made harsher for the next batch of these scumbags."

Along with a good dose of heat stroke from wandering around in the desert! :)


37 posted on 05/21/2006 9:16:15 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: KoRn

Facts on the Cost of Illegal Alien Invaders


“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” ~ Thomas Jefferson

Fight Moral Cowardice

38 posted on 05/21/2006 9:16:51 AM PDT by antonia (Build the Wall Now!)
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To: zarf

NO!


39 posted on 05/21/2006 9:25:18 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: garbanzo

Not in any sense. Quote anywhere in the Bible people are told to help others commit crimes. It isn't in there.


40 posted on 05/21/2006 9:29:02 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: HiJinx
Ping.

They're baaaaack:

No More Deaths and Samaritan Patrol: A surge in the number of volunteers fanning out across Arizona's southern deserts to aid illegal immigrants is expected this summer.

41 posted on 05/21/2006 9:38:33 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: BenLurkin

BUMP!!


42 posted on 05/21/2006 9:39:50 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: antonia
"11. Illegal aliens displace approximately 730,000 American workers every year!"

Living in an area with 30% unemployment due to manufacturing going to China, I wonder how many of those out of work people would take a job on a farm. We have a very high level of Hispanics in my area and almost all of them work on farms, and I'm sure a very small percentage of them are here legally.

43 posted on 05/21/2006 9:44:32 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: zarf
"Arn't they just being good Christians?"

Absolutely not. Christians are to follow the rule of law under their governments. Governments are established by God. We are to pray for our elected leaders. They and we are to uphold the rule of law.

If these people wish to help the Mexican people they need to do it by way of missionary work in the country of Mexico. They are not behaving in anyway as Christians when they break the laws they are governed by in their own country.
44 posted on 05/21/2006 10:18:31 AM PDT by Sweetjustusnow (Mr. President and Representatives, do your duty to uphold our laws or you are all gone.)
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To: KoRn

Disgusting. We have an infinite supply of liberal numb nutz. I don't mind seeing the desert do the work George Bush is too lazy to do.


45 posted on 05/21/2006 10:25:44 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Mariner

You were right until you got to the beating part. They should be arrested and jailed, not beaten.

Doing that would lower us to their level.


47 posted on 05/21/2006 10:44:39 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Mariner
"Every food cache should be destroyed...every bottle of water, salted."

I agree. I can think of some creative methods for salting the water. ;^)

48 posted on 05/21/2006 10:48:20 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: Sweetjustusnow
Christians are to follow the rule of law under their governments.

Chinese Christians should cheer the Tiennamen massacre?

Abolitionists were in the wrong acting against slavery and institutionalized racism during the Civil War period?

You need to rethink your comment.

49 posted on 05/21/2006 10:58:16 AM PDT by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: zarf

"You need to rethink your comment."


In Romans 13:1,2
Obey the government, for God is the one who put it there. So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow.

1 Peter 2:13 ,14
For the Lord’s sake, accept all authority—the king as head of state, and the officials he has appointed. For the king has sent them to punish all who do wrong and to honor those who do right

Deuteronomy 1:15 So I took the heads of your tribes, wise and knowledgeable men, and made them heads over you, leaders of thousands, leaders of hundreds, leaders of fifties, leaders of tens, and officers for your tribes.


50 posted on 05/21/2006 11:57:11 AM PDT by Sweetjustusnow (Mr. President and Representatives, do your duty to uphold our laws or you are all gone.)
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