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Montenegro 'chooses independence'
BBC News Website ^ | 5/21/06 | BBC

Posted on 05/21/2006 1:21:19 PM PDT by lump in the melting pot

Montenegro has voted for independence from its union with Serbia, according to unofficial projections. If confirmed, the vote would erase the last vestige of the former Yugoslavia.

Initial indications are that 56.3% of voters elected to secede from Serbia. The pro-independence bloc needs to win 55% of the vote to succeed.

The question of independence has deeply divided Montenegro, with its opponents arguing that it will damage economic, family and political ties with Serbia.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 05/21/2006 1:21:20 PM PDT by lump in the melting pot
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To: lump in the melting pot
Predictable, really. The final consequences to the vicious policies that Milosevic began in 1989, may he burn in hell.

Montenegro has been independent during most of its history anyhow. It would be nice if they restored the Montenegrin Crown, but I doubt that will happen.

The 'Green' Montenegrins finally won (the 'Greens' were against union with Serbia following WW I). A 100 years passes and we're back to the way things were in 1914 (partly at least).

2 posted on 05/21/2006 1:26:53 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Four-time Bush Voter 1994-2004!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Al Simmons
You seem somewhat familiar with the politics in this region. Can I ask if you (or other freepers) want to speculate about what, if anything, this might mean for other open questions in that area, like the status of Kosovo?
3 posted on 05/21/2006 1:29:38 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

Kosovo is only in question to those who have chosen to stick their heads in the sand - it's all over except for the crying, regardless of what happens in Montenegro.


4 posted on 05/21/2006 1:40:00 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: lump in the melting pot

If the Ethnic Mexicans ever achieve the level of success of the Ethnic Albanians, all of North America is doomed.


5 posted on 05/21/2006 1:41:51 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: lump in the melting pot
Montenegro Revolver, circa 1880s (with holster rig)
6 posted on 05/21/2006 1:48:09 PM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Hoplite
Kosovo is only in question to those who have chosen to stick their heads in the sand.

Well it's also a question for those of us who haven't been paying attention to the news from that region. I think your comments indicate that Kosovo will be breaking away from Serbia, or that they have already done so. Am I reading you correctly?

7 posted on 05/21/2006 1:54:28 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark
those of us who haven't been paying attention

Point taken.

Kosovo has already been broken away from Serbia - when NATO displaced Serbian forces in June of '99. Ever since then, the K-Albanians and the international community have been working towards making Kosovo's de facto independence from Belgrade de jure.

8 posted on 05/21/2006 2:22:29 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Thanks for the background.

Kosovo has been off my radar screen for many years. But I know some people who are deploying there soon, and that makes me more interested in getting caught up with the news.

9 posted on 05/21/2006 2:28:15 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark
No sweat - you can follow what the Contact Group is saying here, what NATO is saying here, and the US Army's Kosovo unit page is here.

And just for general purpose given the topic of this thread, here is CEMI's (Montenegro's Center for Monitoring) Referendum Page, in English, no less.

10 posted on 05/21/2006 2:44:34 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Congrats to Montenegro.


11 posted on 05/21/2006 2:45:18 PM PDT by Diocletian (visit www.speakeasy.invisionzone.com - it's new and it's pretty silly)
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To: Diocletian
Some fat lady just told me not to let you tabulate the chickens until she sings about the eggs hatching.

= )

12 posted on 05/21/2006 2:52:43 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Al Simmons

We have property in Montenegro and all I know is the government is hindering us from selling it. It's been very frustrating.


13 posted on 05/21/2006 3:19:21 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hoplite

If they're all roosting at home count away!


14 posted on 05/21/2006 3:19:22 PM PDT by Joey Silvera
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To: Al Simmons; lump in the melting pot; All

"Predictable, really. The final consequences to the vicious policies that Milosevic began in 1989, may he burn in hell."

Yeah, but also due to Djukanovic's greed. He basically wants a country of his own-not because he cares about Montenegrin freedom or self-determination- but so he can pursue his own "business" arrangements. Milosevic's policies helped him out in a big way. The only thing Milo Djukanovic cares about is Milo Djukanovic, and he probably thanked God that Milosevic was around so he could increase support for independence.


15 posted on 05/21/2006 4:05:39 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (L. Ron Hubbard was a fake, a liar, a crook, and a piece of crap.)
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To: Al Simmons; lump in the melting pot; All

BTW, Montenegro has only a little over *600,000* people. Can a modern independent country survive with so small a population? Especially since Montenegrins in the northern and eastern parts are considerings seceding from Montenegro and joining Serbia if independence succeeds.


16 posted on 05/21/2006 4:23:20 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (L. Ron Hubbard was a fake, a liar, a crook, and a piece of crap.)
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To: Old Professer

This is not an immigration thread. Stop trying to be a thread hijacker.


17 posted on 05/21/2006 4:24:58 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Real Leaders Base Their Decisions on Their Convictions. Wannabes Base Decisions on the Latest Poll.)
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To: Jacob Kell
BTW, Montenegro has only a little over *600,000* people. Can a modern independent country survive with so small a population?

It certainly seems so.

Cyprus, Bahrain, Luxembourg, Malta, Bahama, Iceland, Belize, Barbados, Andorra, Liechtenstein, and Monaco are some examples.

18 posted on 05/21/2006 11:53:46 PM PDT by mark502inf
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To: Al Simmons

This is actually great news for Serbia.


19 posted on 05/22/2006 4:01:28 AM PDT by Tamodaleko
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To: COEXERJ145

Your concern is appreciated.


20 posted on 05/22/2006 8:32:53 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: mark502inf

Yes, but what will be Montenegro's industry? I know, Cigarette - running from Italy and then resale to its neighbors.....not sure that will get them to Monaco or Bahrain's level of economic success any time soon...


21 posted on 05/22/2006 9:52:45 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Four-time Bush Voter 1994-2004!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Tamodaleko

And Crna Gora.


22 posted on 05/22/2006 9:53:02 AM PDT by Al Simmons (Four-time Bush Voter 1994-2004!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Al Simmons

Congratulations to Serbia for finally achieving independence!


23 posted on 05/22/2006 10:14:43 AM PDT by Diocletian (visit www.speakeasy.invisionzone.com - it's new and it's pretty silly)
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To: Hoplite; 68skylark; Bokababe; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; ...

Despite the best efforts of the Islamofascists and those Dhimmis who gleefully put on the kneepads before them, Kosovo is Serbia and peace and justice will return to that province alongside the Serb Army.


24 posted on 05/22/2006 4:51:52 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Hoplite

And she wants her pancakes cooked up promptly by the one with few teeth!


25 posted on 05/22/2006 4:53:07 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: 68skylark

Kosovo is being STLOEN by islamic narco terorists called ALBANIANS. Real islamic scum!!


26 posted on 05/22/2006 7:47:54 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: Diocletian

You may have a point there... why should Serbia stay teamed- up with the mafia thug that runs Montenegro and his ISLAMIC albanian "wife".


27 posted on 05/22/2006 7:55:37 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: Hildy

Some local people down here, had a similar situation in Croatia. It seems the Croat govt wanted a HUGE percentage of the sale price because the land was owned by foreigners... that is an American family who inherited it from their Uncle.


28 posted on 05/22/2006 7:58:35 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: Lion in Winter

You refer to people as extremists and scum. You should read the headlines and see how this is all comming together. Kosovo can not live along side Serbia anymore. To much hatred and blood shed/revenge. If you want to thank anyone about Kosovo being independant. Thank the Serbs who tried to wipe this ethnicity out. a small autonomy won the war.


29 posted on 06/02/2006 9:17:25 PM PDT by sammy123
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To: Lion in Winter

I do not think anyone wants to stay with Serbia. Didn't they all become separate nations. Thanks to Serbia. Who thinks they are right. By the way if Milo loves his wife good for him. I thought his sister was married to an Albanian. Albanians are not extremists. you are fabricating things. grow up and don't be a saw looser. The Albanians were in montenegro and other regions before other's new what land was. Just so you know they fought many wars like everyone else. not to mention they won many for others as well, Italy, Egypy, Ottoman Empire etc. If not for Enver Hoxha they would have been in power a long time ago.


30 posted on 06/02/2006 9:22:50 PM PDT by sammy123
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To: FormerLib

don't cry about it. it is over. Kosovo will join the other former repbulics of yugoslavia to prosperity and independance. It is the eminant destiny. I hear Voyvodina is next. Does that belong to Serbia too? Well anyone could guess it Serbia alone in the wilderness. Have fun and peace to all people of the former Yugoslavia.


31 posted on 06/02/2006 9:27:29 PM PDT by sammy123
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To: sammy123

Please tell me: should there be a 'Serbia'? If so, where, in your opinion, should that country's frontiers be?


32 posted on 06/03/2006 3:39:45 PM PDT by Mel70
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To: Mel70

I definately think Serbia should exist. I hope they prosper and are economically strong. I do not begrudge them because after all, I still have a feeling for all the people of the Former Yugoslavia. I feel they were one people with the same mission. Yes multiple ethicities existed and they got along until after Tito's death. Then suddenly everything broke down. It is a shame and I wish to god this never happened. It did. Serbia will survive without the rest. Its borders are where they are. The autonoies like Voyvodina and Kosovo were always left behind others. That is not right. They are a people too. It does not matter if they are Romanians, Bulgarians, Albanians, and Hungarians. There territories were integrated not with there will. SO everyone should live together. Serbia through the last year tried to stop the republics from leaving the union militarilly. Was that right. I think not. Maybe different dialogue would have changed the situation maybe not. We4 will never know. We do know what happened in Bosnia, Croatia, and Kosovo. Some may have been fabricated but not all. That is why the youth of Serbia finally stood up against Milosevic and his kronies. Serbia and the other repbublics of Yugoslavia were a strong nation together. Today we morn there seperation. Let them get along as neighbors. They have similiar traditions, culture, and characteristics. They had a history togethher and should always remember what it took to fight the Germans, Fashists, and other empires who tried to conquer these people. Together they won and built a country called Yugoslavia who was great, powerful, prosperious, and had a hell of a future ahead. Well that is gone and it seems everyone one to be the king of their castles.


33 posted on 06/03/2006 4:53:49 PM PDT by sammy123
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To: sammy123
Hey, albanian... KOSOVO IS A SERBIAN WORD!!!

ALBANIANS ARE RUN BY THE MAFIA DRUG SMUGGLING, WHITE SLAVERS, GUN RUNNERS AND KIDDIE PORN/PROSTITUTION RINGS ALL OVER EUROPE... THEY EVEN HAVE A CRIME BOSSES IN POLAND!

You need to talk to your people and find out why CRIME and MURDER and all those VERY EVIL things FUND their ISLAMIC "way" of life!!

Take a hike... and speak to the mussies about it... IF you dare!!

34 posted on 06/04/2006 5:23:38 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: sammy123

Why should, say, Vojvodina secede from Serbia?


35 posted on 06/04/2006 6:35:31 PM PDT by Mel70
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To: sammy123

If you think anything is over, you know nothing about Serbs.

One day, the foreign troops who guard the Albanian criminals will be gone and the Serb Army will return to Kosovo and establish both peace and justice in their province.

But "welcome" to Free Republic anyway


36 posted on 06/04/2006 6:41:56 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Lion in Winter

hey "serbian" You seem to know a lot. I gues the prostitution ring you claim is full of Serbian women. You know any.
If any one should take a hike it's you. I don't need to speak to anyone I speak my mine and am not concern over people like you or others for that matter. There is no Islamist in Kosovo. Any area where the economy is unstable is an open field for crime and other things. I am sure other ethnicities commit things that are not right. There are good and bad in every facet. A few bad does not mean that all do the same. You mean to tell me that all Serbs are good. If you believe that then Milosevic was an angel. Do you disagree. And next time don't sound like your pissed off. This is an open forum. Adress people accordingly. Do not tell me hey albanian. Because everyone has equal squatter rights in that region. Why is the population in Kosovo 95 % Albanian. The Serb Kingdom didn't like this place. Or better yet they couldn't live with other minorities in the region. Take a hike and smell the coffee. Because you are a hypocrit by definition and now that you and your dictator clans from serbia are pissed off that all repbulics decide to part because they didn't want anything to do with dishonest and lieing people. They kill and blame someone else. You can defend yourself as much as you want. The world knows the color of your stripes.


37 posted on 06/05/2006 8:27:42 AM PDT by sammy123
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To: Mel70

I here that they are not happy. They feel oppressed and believe they do not have equal representation, their region is not developed like the beautiful capital of Serbia. I guess they think that being independant may serve their cause. You will not disagree that everytime a Autonomy or republic becomes independant it takes years and for some centuries before they are able to prosper. Econims and experience is a key factor.


38 posted on 06/05/2006 8:31:02 AM PDT by sammy123
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To: FormerLib

you make it sound like your a visionary. All Albanians in that region are not criminals so get real and be realistic. Once they are independant the Serbs will not go there. The EU and international agencies not to mention other super powers will not let that happen. The times have changed. You think the former Soviet Union countries will ever be forced to become the Soviet union again. I think not.

If Kosovo is lost now it will be gone for ever.


39 posted on 06/05/2006 8:35:12 AM PDT by sammy123
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To: lump in the melting pot

The US better be very careful about supporting this or else we're going to be in a huge mess in about 30 years or less.


40 posted on 06/05/2006 8:38:06 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: sammy123
All Albanians in that region are not criminals so get real and be realistic. Once they are independant the Serbs will not go there.

And that is because the Albanians are criminals are will kill any Serb civilians that they can. Mob violence is the rule in Kosovo so long as it remains in the hands of the Albanian theives.

If Kosovo is lost now it will be gone for ever.

And this is why the Albanians seek to destroy any vestige of the Christian Serb presence...that and it is what their true master demands of them.

But the Serbs are patient and will return when the Albanians have no other army to hid behind and must face justice on their own (HINT: they'll run like hell).

41 posted on 06/05/2006 4:04:52 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: FormerLib

Listen your views are well taken. I am sure there are criminals there. I am not convinnced that all Albanians feel or act the same. Extremists exist all over the world. This is how dictators controlled power. What happened to innocent people who may have had no political or extremists view. I am sure many Albanians fit this bill. The SERBS forces should have gone after the ones who deserved it not the innocent ones. You and I were not there to know what exactly happened. We as many have to rely on the media and reports of other news sites. Maybe politics played a role but all I ask that you stop proclaiming that all are the same. There are 6 million Albanians in the world. Are they all the same?. There more than 6 million serbs in the world are they all the same? that is what my point was and is. But you tend to have a very offensive front and anyone would take the defense. I worked with a man from Belgrade. He had a doctors degree in Electrical Engineering and became a Computer Science Professor here in the US. He and I got along very well disregarding that he was a serb and I was Albanian. We both believed that are roots were from Yugoslavia which they were. It didn't matter what ethnicity we had or came from. Believe me we both spoke about Kosovo and other areas of the Former Yugoslavia, We may have had differences but we compromised and told the truth from both sides. We were not leftist or propagandist. Reality is what it is. Sometimes evil takes the turn for worst. Two wrongs do not make a right.


42 posted on 06/06/2006 9:39:46 AM PDT by sammy123
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To: sammy123
HEY, UNDER-EDUCATED person who makes WILD assumptions!!!

I am not a Serb!! I am a CONSERVATIVE Republican American vet!!

YOU however are a CLINTON Bu_t-kisser and an islamic's pal.

Now, go dabble in traffic someplace....the type of "traffic" you dabble in is YOUR CHOICE depending what CLAN you are a member of!!

43 posted on 06/06/2006 2:11:26 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: sammy123

cigarettes, women, boys, guns, drugs, kids, murder, persecution of non-albanians... you get the pic, puppy... ALL ALBANIAN run of course.


44 posted on 06/06/2006 2:13:40 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: sammy123
They feel oppressed and believe they do not have equal representation, their region is not developed like the beautiful capital of Serbia.
Well, if we're talking about national minorities - for example, Hungarians in Vojvodina can live normaly their whole lives without ever having to learn serbian language. So much for opressed.
As for development - no region in Serbia is as developed as Belgrade. And Vojvodina is more prosperous than most, if not all, other parts of Serbia (yes, apart from Belgrade). Anyway, that's not a good enough reason for secession.
As for representation - that can be arranged. We'll see what the new serbian Constitution will look like.

You will not disagree that everytime a Autonomy or republic becomes independant it takes years and for some centuries before they are able to prosper.
Yeah, well... that depends on many things...

45 posted on 06/08/2006 9:07:08 PM PDT by Mel70
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