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Senate Votes to Hike Illegal Worker Fines
AP on Yahoo ^ | 5/23/06 | Suzanne Gamboa - ap

Posted on 05/23/2006 5:20:23 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Tuesday to fine employers who hire illegal immigrants up to $20,000 for each unauthorized worker, providing teeth to a broad immigration bill before sending it to a final vote later this week.

Employers would have to check Social Security numbers and the immigration status of all new hires within 18 months after money is provided to the Homeland Security Department to expand the electronic system for screening workers.

"This is probably the single most important thing we can do in terms of reducing the inflow of undocumented workers, making sure we can enforce in a systematic way rules governing who gets hired," said Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

The amendment passed 58-40. Opponents said the verification system would take years to implement and complained that workers deemed illegal could still hold onto jobs until their appeals are exhausted.

Employers who don't use the new computerized system could be fined $200 to $600. The system would include information from the Social Security Administration, the Internal Revenue Service and Homeland Security Department.

The $20,000 fines for hiring illegal immigrants once the new screening system is in place would be double the present level. Repeated violators could be sentenced to prison terms of up to three years.

The House passed a bill in December that would impose fines on employees of undocumented workers ranging from $5,000 to $40,000. But, unlike the Senate bill, the House measure would require employers to screen all employees — an estimated 140 million people — instead of only new hires.

Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., scheduled a test vote for Wednesday that sets up the bill's final passage, likely Thursday. Its most controversial provision would put more than half of the nation's 12 million illegal immigrants on a path toward citizenship without ever having to leave the U.S.

Critics call that amnesty and Republican leaders refused to even allow it to be considered in the bill the House passed in December.

Rep. Mike Pence (news, bio, voting record), R-Ind., who heads a group of 100 conservatives in the House, said Tuesday he plans to offer a bill this week that would let employers rehire illegal workers now on their payrolls after they have returned home and applied for a new "W" visa to return.

"The solution is to set up a system that will encourage illegal workers to self-deport and come back legally as guest workers," said Pence, who earlier voted for the enforcement-only House bill.

The Senate defeated an effort Tuesday by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., that would have let all illegal immigrants remain, in contrast to the Senate compromise that would require more than one-third of them to leave.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fines; hike; senatevotes; worker

1 posted on 05/23/2006 5:20:25 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
The Senate voted Tuesday to fine employers who hire illegal immigrants up to $20,000 for each unauthorized worker, providing teeth

They want to punish illegal dentists?

2 posted on 05/23/2006 5:22:33 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: NormsRevenge
"I Protest!!!"


REUTERS/Oswaldo Rivas


3 posted on 05/23/2006 5:22:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: NormsRevenge

"The Senate voted Tuesday to fine employers who hire illegal immigrants up to $20,000 for each unauthorized worker, providing teeth to a broad immigration bill before sending it to a final vote later this week."

Like, will there be any illegal immigrants left? LOL.

Any employer who can't legalize his illegals or insource more from accross the border under the Senate plan shouldn't be in business in the first place!


4 posted on 05/23/2006 5:23:02 PM PDT by Shermy (Ronald Reagan was man enough to call an Amnesty an Amnesty.)
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To: Shermy

The way DiFi had her defeated proposal wired, it was gonna bring in 20 Billion over 10 years as we absorbed "12 million" illegals already here.


5 posted on 05/23/2006 5:25:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: NormsRevenge
smokescreen.

the bottom line is amnesty for employers. it's burried deep down in the amensty bill [http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005237.htm]. the amnesty for 20 mio. mexicans is just the cover for the amnesty of the employers who have been knowingly breaking the law the past 20 years. if the current laws would be applied to them, many a ceo would do time, and a few companies would go bust. so for the ceo's to get out of this mess, the average americans have to have 20 mio. mexicans stuffed down their throats.
6 posted on 05/23/2006 5:25:45 PM PDT by seppel
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To: NormsRevenge
Awesome

now if they would just enforce this law half as well as they do parking meter violations, we just may save our country from taking on that "Third World Charm"

7 posted on 05/23/2006 5:26:06 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: NormsRevenge

The Senate voted Tuesday to fine employers who hire illegal immigrants up to $20,000 for each unauthorized worker, providing teeth to a broad immigration bill before sending it to a final vote later this week.



This is akin to stocking a lake with 12 million trout. Holding a fishing derby.

And not allowing any fishing licenses to be sold.


8 posted on 05/23/2006 5:26:12 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: NormsRevenge
Whoop-de-do.

How about fining the illegals $20,000.......per year.

9 posted on 05/23/2006 5:27:45 PM PDT by jess35
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To: NormsRevenge

Why should I believe that this new provision of the law will be enforced? They aren't enforcing the old law. This is a joke, the whole bill has become a joke.


10 posted on 05/23/2006 5:27:45 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: Shermy

They're on the right track but I'd make the fine even stiffer, maybe including jailtime for the employer.

I know of two professional landscaping contractors right now in my area who'd be in big time trouble should "someone" turn them in.


11 posted on 05/23/2006 5:29:27 PM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: engrpat
"The solution is to set up a system that will encourage illegal workers to self-deport and come back legally as guest workers," said Pence, who earlier voted for the enforcement-only House bill.

ROTFLMAO!....self-deport, indeed.

12 posted on 05/23/2006 5:32:47 PM PDT by Covenantor
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To: NormsRevenge

I hope the House drives a stake through the heart of this "bill." There's talk that the House may not even vote to conference with the Senate.


13 posted on 05/23/2006 5:33:46 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: NormsRevenge
"Employers would have to check Social Security numbers and the immigration status of all new hires within 18 months after money is provided to the Homeland Security Department to expand the electronic system for screening workers."

According to the numbers they have already stopped charging employers for hiring illegals. There is already is a fine of like $5000.00(along with prison time) See section 8. They don't enforce it. Just like they are not going to enforce this. And by the time 18 months(Plus) is up then it may be all over for America. Why wait 18 months(Plus)? People should be asking that question. That obviously gives the lawmakers time to make all the illegals - Legal(Through Amnesty). This is just smoke and mirrors as always. Funny, but he last time I started a new job then they wanted my birth certificate. Illegals don't need one? What a crock.
14 posted on 05/23/2006 5:34:58 PM PDT by Revel
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To: NormsRevenge

What a farce. The old fine of $10,000 was never enforced, this one would not be either. S.2611 would essentially legalize all illegals who are currently in the country and any Mexican citizens not currently here who want to come would just need to hurry up and sneak in before the wall gets built and buy their forged documents proving they have lived here the required time. All of them would then be legal and there would be no one to fine.


15 posted on 05/23/2006 5:38:15 PM PDT by LaLaLand Conservative
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To: clintonh8r

Word of warning...Pence is weakening. I'd advice firing off phone calls and E-Mails to him, and your own representative if he is not it.


16 posted on 05/23/2006 5:41:24 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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To: Revel

Not to mention all of the illegal aliens working in the underground economy. Plus, a bunch of cities and towns here on the left coast designated as "sanctuaries" for illegals on the lam.


17 posted on 05/23/2006 5:45:30 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: seppel

beat me to it. they can raise the fines as high as they want, they've already put in a provision not to prosecute


18 posted on 05/23/2006 5:49:07 PM PDT by SCHROLL (Liberalism isn't a political philosophy - it's a mental illness)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is the biggest joke around. They might as well make it $50,000,000 per employee, because it will never be enforced.


19 posted on 05/23/2006 6:00:46 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The Senate voted Tuesday to fine employers who hire illegal immigrants up to $20,000 for each unauthorized worker, providing teeth to a broad immigration bill before sending it to a final vote later this week."

CLUE!
It don't got teeth unless you enforce it....(duh!).

20 posted on 05/23/2006 6:00:48 PM PDT by norton
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To: NormsRevenge

Since the old laws weren't enforced are we expected to believe that the new ones will be?


21 posted on 05/23/2006 6:17:50 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: NormsRevenge

From the looks of things on this thread a whole bunch of minds are thinking alike. I'm late to the show.


22 posted on 05/23/2006 6:19:39 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: Revel

I know - I'm a natural born American citizen, very fair (I'm 1/2 Irish!) with blonde hair and green eyes, and I had to prove I was a legal citizen with 2 forms of ID for my last job at a hospital. I mean, talk about hoops! To think that an obvious Hispanic who can't even speak the language doesn't have to do the same...makes my blood boil!


23 posted on 05/23/2006 6:25:23 PM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: NormsRevenge; Dane; Howlin

"HOW DARE YOU DO WHAT WE DEMANDED YOU DO!!!!"


25 posted on 05/23/2006 8:25:18 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (An immigration-thread-free FReeper as of...now!)
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To: NormsRevenge

The MSM is misrepresenting this. The politicspeak was intentionally misleading. What the politicians voted on and were saying is that it's not just fine to have illegal workers, but it's double fine with them.


26 posted on 05/23/2006 8:30:17 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I looked in my rearview mirror.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"This is probably the single most important thing we can do in terms of reducing the inflow of undocumented workers, making sure we can enforce in a systematic way rules governing who gets hired," said Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

If he's for it there must be something wrong with this amendment.

27 posted on 05/23/2006 8:33:59 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: NormsRevenge
What a JOKE.......illegal employers will simply change crews every 17 months, without worry.

What's up that it takes 18 MONTHS to ""SIMPLY"" dial an 800 phone number ??

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1037329/posts

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"An employer using the system simply calls an 800 number, provides the name and the Social Security number or the alien ID number, as presented by the new hire, "

(just ANOTHER loophole in law to benefit illegals & their illegal employers)
28 posted on 05/23/2006 8:35:39 PM PDT by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: Darkwolf377

"DO WHAT I SAY AND DO IT THE WAY I SAY TO OR DON'T DO IT AT ALL!!!"

At this point the Senate needs to just pass anything and get it to committee then let the House kill the bill along with "The Fence" if they want to.


29 posted on 05/23/2006 8:39:16 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Shermy
Also they are passing language that essentially exempts employer's from any liability for hiring illegals. And by the way, are they really planning to do any enforcement?

Frankly the fine doesn't need to be any larger. The enforcement effort needs to be larger.

30 posted on 05/23/2006 9:28:33 PM PDT by dalight
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