Skip to comments.2002 Document: Request For 500 KG Of SODIUM CYANIDE A Precursor For A Chemical Weapon (Translation)
Posted on 05/23/2006 7:13:05 PM PDT by jveritas
On page 40 of document ISGQ-2003-00000847 there is an October 2002 document where there is a request submitted by Zoo Al Fikar Military factory to the Iraqi Directorate of Planning and Follow up for 500 Kilograms of SODIUM CYANIDE (NaCN), 15 tones of HYDROCHLORIC ACID ( HCL), and 30 tones of SULFURIC ACID (H2SO4). Sodium Cyanide is an important precursor to produce a Chemical Weapon called HYDROGEN CYANIDE (HCN) also known as ZYCLON B and the use of Sodium Cyanide with Hydrochloric acid or Sulfuric Acid will produce this Chemical Weapon. Although Sodium Cyanide can be used for other military and civilian applications its combination with Hydrochloric Acid or Sulfuric Acid will produce Chemical Weapons and knowing Saddam Regime obsession of acquiring Chemical Weapons and other WMD, this document has a lot of importance.
Beginning of partial Translation of Page 40 of document ISGQ-2003-00000847.
Zoo AL Fikar Factory
To: The Directorate of Planning and Followup
Your memo number 384 on 3/10/2002 we submit to you below our need of Chemical Materials to the year 2003 to take what is necessary with regards.
1. Name of material: Nitric Acid. Unit: Liter. Quantity: 600. Origin: Iraqi.
2. Name of material: Third Oxide of Chrome. Unit: KG. Quantity: 500. Origin: English/Chinese.
3. Name of material: Dye . Unit: KG. Quantity: 25. Origin: Western.
4. Name of material: HCL. Unit: Ton. Quantity: 15. Origin: Iraqi.
5. Name of material: Hylite Zinc. Unit: KG. Quantity: 500. Origin: Western.
6. Name of material: SODIUM CYANIDE. Unit: KG. Quantity: 500. Origin: Western.
17. Name of material: SULFURIC ACID. Unit: Ton. Quantity: 30. Origin: Iraqi.
End of Partial Translation of page 40.
This paragraph from MSDS website regarding the danger of Hydrogen Cyanide (HCN) and how it can be obtained by mixing Sodium Cyanide (NaCN) and Sulfuric Acid (H2SO4).
Exposure to 300 ppm hydrogen cyanide by inhalation can be fatal within minutes and lower doses can endanger life. The high toxicity of HCN was once exploited for the execution of prisoners in several US states; the HCN was generated as needed by dropping NaCN into a solution of sulfuric acid. http://www.ilpi.com/msdS/ref/cyanide.html
This one is interesting.
All Hail Jveritas! :-)
Unusual mixture of chemicals. Any chemists in the crowd? Anyone know the special process Iraq used to produce VX nerve gas?
As usual, however, good job jveritas.
Very good, jveritas. You are still busy I see and you know that we thank you for your diligence in this task.
Some of these chemicals are apparently coming from western sources ... was any of this stuff banned material? Who was supplying it? France, Germany, Russia?
Good job, jveritas.
2002 Document: Request For 500 KG Of SODIUM CYANIDE A Precursor For A Chemical Weapon (Translation)
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I need to find out if Sodium Cyanide was banned material, but it would be very stupid thing by the UN if they did not ban it.
Good job, but I think this one is not that interesting. I've actually ordered many of those chemicals in a single order myself.
Nice graphic my FRiend :)
Sodium cyanide is a common reagent in organic synthesis. I used to produce HCN for reactions in the lab -- it has a funny sweet taste in the back of the throat. I heard of HCN related manufacturing processes back in the thirties causing the workers to turn blue somewhat permanently. This list of compounds is not, in itself, suspicious.
This is the only delusional defense of the letcherous left!
Pretty sad!!! Not to mention dangerous to the freedom of mankind!!!
If the chemicals were dual use, they may have been allowed, but with close monitoring (you have got to be able to hear my sarcasm through the internet on that one)
But this, having the chemicals requested together, and then the paragraph on how to mix them....
I've been waiting to use it. :-)
Were you trying to make HCN :)
My bad , the paragraph was seperate and used as a reference in this posting.
It is used commercially in gold mining. It was used until 2003 (in the West) as a pesticide ingredient (to kill Japanese Beetles inter alia). Some Third World economies (Philippines) use sodium cyanide to stun or kill fish for harvesting. It was formerly used to fumigate bee equipment.
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Are you telling me that Hydrogen Cyanide or Zyklon B used by the NAZI in concentration camps is not a deadly chemical agent?!
Let's see. Sodium Cyanide (NaCN) and dilute Sulfuric acid (H2SO4) is what you use in the gas chamber. Mix well and you get hydrogen cyanide.
Third oxide of chrome, I think is Cr2O3, but I don't know what you could use it for. I'll have to check...
Dye could be anything.
Hylite Zinc. Don't know what this is either. Translation prob.? I'll try google and see what happens.
Do you have any mortal enemies and/or are you or have you ever been a swarthy mid-easterner?
Great work, You are the best
Don't know if this is helpful or not. I've been searching for a list of banned items and it includes lots of stuff (including pencil erasers of all things), but this is a link to the UN resolution that describes the import/export mechanism in place for Iraq.
I suppose it's possible some of this stuff is dual use, but not when the military is requesting it!
HCN is evolved when metal cyanides such as NaCN or KCN are treated with acids. This is one method by which prisoners in US jails are executed - they are strapped into a chair in a sealed, airtight room, and concentrated acid is dropped onto a large amount of a metal cyanide salt.
KCN is "Potassium Cyanide". From the CDC FactSheet on Cyanide :
* Hydrogen cyanide, under the name Zyklon B, was used as a genocidal agent by the Germans in World War II.
* Reports have indicated that during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, hydrogen cyanide gas may have been used along with other chemical agents against the inhabitants of the Kurdish city of Halabja in northern Iraq.
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It was also used in the US in gas chambers I think.
The list sounds like the inventory for a well stocked industrial metal pickling/plating facility.
agreed. Most interesting one I've seen so far, but then I haven't tried to keep up with all of them. At some point hopefully someone will put together a definitive summary for lazy folks like me.
The trip was OK, but nothing better than this great USA where we live :)
Kournikova seems to attract a lot of activity as well.
Great work, as always!
Can you read? Do you understand English? I said exactly what I said. If you would like to make up things and put them between my lines, then by all means knock yourself out -- but don't apply for the position of world's smartest person.
The proportions and qty. here don't indicate this was for a chemical weapon. What does this factory do and what other chem items were requisiitoned? I see plating here. Low tech, but nevertheless.
Take it easy fellow freeper and do not get angry. I am not saying that I am the smartest person and I am far from it. I just asked you a question, and I may have misunderstood what you said. Relax!
Is the quantity too little or is it a lot?
Acording to the Wikpedia; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_cyanide
Sodium cyanide is used to extract gold and other precious metals from ore, and so metal mining operations consume most of the sodium cyanide production;
Iraq elected to develop a local capacity for thiodiglycol production using ethylene oxide and hydrogen sulfide obtained from its petroleum industry. By the end of the Iran-Iraq war, they had the capability to produce mustard gas without the need to use outside suppliers for precursors (although they still bought hydrochloric acid abroad because they could do so relatively cheaply and - by claiming a different use - easily). They were thus effectively immune to the opinions - and the sanctions produced by those opinions - of the international community.
Great post -
Calm your silly as$ down -
Do you have a link where you obtained this information? This is interesting that Iraq has a history of using hydrogen cyanide specifically.
The qty looks way too small. This qty is what I would expect for the supply of a production plating bath... silver, gold... Depends on the function of the factory though. This could be for some other chem production. If they were using this as a chem weapon, they would have bought much more, or produced it themselves.
Thanks. This is fast getting beyond my 10th grade chemistry class, so I appreciate the context.