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To: jveritas

Unusual mixture of chemicals. Any chemists in the crowd? Anyone know the special process Iraq used to produce VX nerve gas?

As usual, however, good job jveritas.


4 posted on 05/23/2006 7:17:41 PM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: JustDoItAlways

Good job, but I think this one is not that interesting. I've actually ordered many of those chemicals in a single order myself.


10 posted on 05/23/2006 7:25:31 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: JustDoItAlways

It is used commercially in gold mining. It was used until 2003 (in the West) as a pesticide ingredient (to kill Japanese Beetles inter alia). Some Third World economies (Philippines) use sodium cyanide to stun or kill fish for harvesting. It was formerly used to fumigate bee equipment.


18 posted on 05/23/2006 7:27:25 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: JustDoItAlways
I'm a chemist.

1. Name of material: Nitric Acid. Unit: Liter. Quantity: 600. Origin: Iraqi.

2. Name of material: Third Oxide of Chrome. Unit: KG. Quantity: 500. Origin: English/Chinese.

3. Name of material: Dye . Unit: KG. Quantity: 25. Origin: Western.

4. Name of material: HCL. Unit: Ton. Quantity: 15. Origin: Iraqi.

5. Name of material: Hylite Zinc. Unit: KG. Quantity: 500. Origin: Western.

6. Name of material: SODIUM CYANIDE. Unit: KG. Quantity: 500. Origin: Western.

17. Name of material: SULFURIC ACID. Unit: Ton. Quantity: 30. Origin: Iraqi.

Let's see. Sodium Cyanide (NaCN) and dilute Sulfuric acid (H2SO4) is what you use in the gas chamber. Mix well and you get hydrogen cyanide.
Third oxide of chrome, I think is Cr2O3, but I don't know what you could use it for. I'll have to check...

Dye could be anything.

Hylite Zinc. Don't know what this is either. Translation prob.? I'll try google and see what happens.

21 posted on 05/23/2006 7:30:11 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: JustDoItAlways
"1. Name of material: Nitric Acid. Unit: Liter. Quantity: 600. Origin: Iraqi."

This is the one to watch for. Nerve gasses are just very powerful insecticides. You need oil products like kerosene to get there. NO2- NO3- make them easily absorbed just as nitroglycerin is absorbed by heart patients. NaCN can be mixed with any acid, including acetic acid to create hydrogen cyanide.

59 posted on 05/23/2006 8:16:00 PM PDT by BobS
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To: JustDoItAlways

This mix of Chemicals produces Hydrogen Cyanide Gas - a blood agent.

VX Nerve agent attacks the central nervous system.

Below describes what a blood agent does:

At room temperature hydrogen cyanide is a colorless liquid. Hydrogen cyanide, often known as known AC, is predominately absorbed through inhalation but both gaseous, liquid, as well as crystalized cyanide can also be taken up through the skin. Hydrogen cyanide is difficult to use in warfare because in is highly volatile which poses many problems. Along with being volatile, hydrogen cyanide is also non-persistent. If released in an open area, high concentrations of AC are hard to obtain, but if released in a confined area, high and lethal doses can easily be obtained.

Hydrogen cyanide has a faint odor that is similar to bitter almonds (not all people can smell this). In relation to hydrogen cyanide solubility, AC is highly soluble and stable in water.

Hydrogen cyanide belongs to a group of agents known as the CN-group. The CN-compounds hydrolyze slowly in water allowing for a gradual loss of toxicity. CN-compounds are also readily oxidized by strong oxidants. Hydrogen cyanide has an attraction for oxygen and is flammable. Along with its attraction for oxygen, CN-compounds, AC included, also have a strong attraction with metal ions (a reason for its lethal effects).



WHAT DOES HYDROGEN CYANIDE DO?

What makes hydrogen cyanide so lethal is the fact that it readily binds with metal-containing enzymes, such as the cytochrome oxidase enzyme system, an enzyme system that is essential for oxidative processes within the cell. When a cyanide ion binds with such an enzyme, cellular respiration is stopped because the fuel used (the cytochrome oxidase enzyme) is no longer produced. When cellular respiration ceases, bodily functions no longer receive the necessary oxygen and nutrients needed to survive, and therefore shutdown. Overall the cause of death due to hydrogen cyanide exposure is suffocation.


125 posted on 05/24/2006 11:17:04 AM PDT by roaddog727 (eludium PU36 explosive space modulator)
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To: JustDoItAlways

BTTT to read later.


149 posted on 05/24/2006 8:35:13 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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