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Court OK's Compulsory Religious Education (as long is its Islam)
Federal Review ^ | Tuesday, May 23, 2006

Posted on 05/23/2006 7:23:36 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

A federal appeals court in California has ruled that public schools can require children to learn about religion...as long as the religion is Islam.

Investors Business Daily reports that the notorious Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled the state can require students to participate in "Muslim role-playing exercises." The exercises include:

Reciting aloud Muslim prayers that begin with "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful . . . ."

Memorizing the Muslim profession of faith: "Allah is the only true God and Muhammad is his messenger."

Chanting "Praise be to Allah" in response to teacher prompts.

Professing as "true" the Muslim belief that "The Holy Quran is God's word."

Giving up candy and TV to demonstrate Ramadan, the Muslim holy month of fasting.

Designing prayer rugs, taking an Arabic name and essentially "becoming a Muslim" for two full weeks.

The article also notes that:

In the California course on world religions, Christianity is not presented equally. It's covered in just two days and doesn't involve kids in any role-playing activities. But kids do get a good dose of skepticism about the Christian faith, including a biting history of its persecution of other peoples. In contrast, Islam gets a pass from critical review.

Based on the above, parents of some of the students sued, claiming that the public schools were unconstitutionally promoting religion, in violation of the First Amendment.

The court disagreed, however, ruling that the state was teaching another "culture."

The Ninth Circuit is widely considered "the nation's most liberal and oft-reversed federal court."

We can only hope this case is taken to the U.S. Supreme Court and overruled also.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: church; circuit; islam; muslim; ninth; religionofpeace; state

1 posted on 05/23/2006 7:23:38 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
...and so Islam has begun to attack the U.S. from the inside with teaching our children that Islam is THE faith and that Christianity is wrong.

When are the people going to wake up?

2 posted on 05/23/2006 7:29:13 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Remember 9/11...and the reason we are fighting. Islam is a threat to our national security.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; GulfWar1Vet

This needs to go to the Supreme Court.


3 posted on 05/23/2006 7:30:24 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: darkangel82

Thank God for the private and the Catholic school systems.


4 posted on 05/23/2006 7:33:05 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make The Call.....pitchforks and lanterns.!)
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To: darkangel82
This needs to go to the Supreme Court.

That could clear the way for it to spread to other states (faster).

5 posted on 05/23/2006 7:33:46 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I honestly have never said this.....WTF!?
6 posted on 05/23/2006 7:34:00 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: darkangel82

Do you think the Court will overturn this?


7 posted on 05/23/2006 7:34:07 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Remember 9/11...and the reason we are fighting. Islam is a threat to our national security.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Memorizing the Muslim profession of faith: "Allah is the only true God and Muhammad is his messenger."

Anyone who says that automatically converts to Islam, even if tricked into saying it, and there no escape loophole. Subject to the death penalty for "apostasy" under sharia.

8 posted on 05/23/2006 7:35:37 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 119:1-96)
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To: GulfWar1Vet

I hope so.


9 posted on 05/23/2006 7:37:30 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
A federal appeals court in California has ruled that public schools can require children to learn about religion...as long as the religion is Islam.

Diversity tolerance bump

10 posted on 05/23/2006 7:38:02 PM PDT by A. Pole (Rasmussen: "multiculturalism cannot work as intolerant culture will impose its will on tolerant one")
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To: GulfWar1Vet
OK let me try and figure this out:

1st Amendment:
Congress Shall Pass no law to establish a Religion, or limit the free exercises there of.

Somehow, from the above, liberals have interpreted that Christian's Right should be trampled and we should brainwash our children with the chanting of the Koran?

Are they going to teach our children Arabic so they can understand the Koran in it's original text? What is next? How about Wahabism? Or maybe a Taliban terrorist training camp?


11 posted on 05/23/2006 7:39:06 PM PDT by do the dhue (I hope y'all will help bail me out of jail after I dot Coward Dean's eyes.)
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To: Alouette

That phrase "Allah is the only true god and Muhammad is his messanger"....sounds like what the anti-Christ might say...


12 posted on 05/23/2006 7:41:19 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Remember 9/11...and the reason we are fighting. Islam is a threat to our national security.)
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To: do the dhue
Arabic classes coming soon to your nearest elementary educational curriculum!

allah akbar!

13 posted on 05/23/2006 7:43:55 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Remember 9/11...and the reason we are fighting. Islam is a threat to our national security.)
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To: Cementjungle

The 9th Circuit is going to get overturned again. They're easily the most over-turned court in the land, and this one seems fairly obvious.


14 posted on 05/23/2006 7:49:07 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
A federal appeals court in California has ruled that public schools can require children to learn about religion...as long as the religion is Islam.

Sometimes it seems like the clowns on the 9th Circus all throw a few bucks in a pot, and then the one who can get away with writing the stupidest opinion wins the pot....

15 posted on 05/23/2006 7:53:58 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Freerepublic - The website where "Freepers" is not in the spell checker dictionary...)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

What is scarier is that some teacher wanted to do this in the first place. Grandparents, help you kids out. Get your little ones out of there.


16 posted on 05/23/2006 8:08:56 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Cementjungle; darkangel82
darkangel82 posted: "This needs to go to the Supreme Court. You responded:"That could clear the way for it to spread to other states (faster). "

If there is any chance that the supreme court might uphold this, we need to know that. The sooner the better.

The war on terror is covering up the ISLAM CREEP. Just like the Lewinsky episode covered up the Clinton sell out to China.

ISLAM advocates installing "Sharia Law" which calls for converting everyone to Islam. Those who cannot be converted are to be destroyed.

It appears to me that practicing Islam is against the law. We should put a stop to the spread of Islam.

:)Easy Does It:)

17 posted on 05/23/2006 8:28:53 PM PDT by eazdzit (Register Independent CROSS OVER IN THE PRIMARIES!!! VOTE AGAINST CFR, NWO, GLOBALIST RepuboCrats !!)
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To: eazdzit
It appears to me that practicing Islam is against the law. We should put a stop to the spread of Islam.

Unless we can somehow show that Islam not a religion, we have to tolerate it (legally at least) like any other valid religion. The only way to defend ourselves against it is to not allow it to become favored over other religions in our laws and courts.

18 posted on 05/23/2006 8:34:06 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: A. Pole
The Ninth Circuit is widely considered to be smoking too much hashish.
19 posted on 05/23/2006 8:49:30 PM PDT by lakey
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To: samadams2000

And home-schooling.


20 posted on 05/23/2006 8:57:29 PM PDT by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)
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To: CindyDawg
If anybody tried to pawn off that death cult crap on my kids, they would be on the receiving end of my own personal Crusade.

If, however, they wanted to explain Islamic culture and religion by showing the Nick Berg video, I would consider allowing it, if they were old enough.
21 posted on 05/23/2006 8:59:07 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The 9th is a disgrace. They are the most inconsistent, hypocritical court legislature in the country.
22 posted on 05/23/2006 9:45:22 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Cementjungle

How can it be considered anything other than a religion? It is not a 'culture' by any means at all. Arabs have a culture, Iranians a different one, Indonesians a different one yet. Islam is the religion of the majority of those people.

And because it is a religion, it should be absolutely, 100% forbidden to force students to make prayers to its lower case gee od.


23 posted on 05/23/2006 9:51:42 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Cementjungle
You posted: "Unless we can somehow show that Islam not a religion, we have to tolerate it (legally at least) like any other valid religion."

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From the article:" Based on the above, parents of some of the students sued, claiming that the public schools were unconstitutionally promoting religion, in violation of the First Amendment.

The court disagreed, however, ruling that the state was teaching another "culture."

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Well there you have it. according to the the 9th circuit court Islam is not a religion. It is a "culture".

:)Easy Does It:)

24 posted on 05/23/2006 10:22:47 PM PDT by eazdzit (Register Independent CROSS OVER IN THE PRIMARIES!!! VOTE AGAINST CFR, NWO, GLOBALIST RepuboCrats !!)
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To: eazdzit

This is one of the most disturbing things to come from the so-called 'most liberal court' in the country. They have to do contortions to deny Islam is a religion in order to justify their ruling - when it is such a blatantly unconstitutional decision. A public school simply cannot compel or coerse children to say prayers.

This has already been decided. See Lemon v. Kurtzman, Lee v. Weisman and Allegheny County v. ACLU. These latter two are particularly relevent.

Since the 9th court OBVIOUSLY KNOWS THESE SUPREME COURT CASES, they had to define Islam as a 'culture' in order to get around it - even though in the course of the teaching of this 'culture' the students are forced to recite prayers to a god they don't believe in!

I'm freaking astounded and I'm thoroughly angry about this. I hope the Supreme Court hands this case back to them, with their heads on the proverbial legal platter.

We must NEVER ALLOW ANY OF THESE IDIOTS ON THE 9th TO EVER MAKE IT TO THE SUPREME COURT.


25 posted on 05/23/2006 10:48:50 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Do the students also get to go to flight school?


26 posted on 05/23/2006 11:01:27 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: monkeyshine
I personally think it is a culture and not a religion. It calls for unlawful acts. Islam incites and promotes violence. Islam advocates killing non believers.

Practicing Islam should be against the law. :)Easy Does It:)

27 posted on 05/23/2006 11:10:43 PM PDT by eazdzit (Register Independent CROSS OVER IN THE PRIMARIES!!! VOTE AGAINST CFR, NWO, GLOBALIST RepuboCrats !!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Why don't people just tell their kids that they have permission to refuse to submit to this... Imagine what would happen if the majority of the kids just said "no".


28 posted on 05/24/2006 5:55:31 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Being a homeschooling family, I hear about this stuff all the time. However, I don't recall hearing about this one recently. So I went searching.

Don't know why this story is out there now, since this appears to have happened last November or December. Can't seem to find any other notice of it. It appears that a single judge or a panel of judges rejected the appeal of a lower court, allowing the teaching to continue.

Anybody got anything else more recent on this?

29 posted on 05/24/2006 8:18:41 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: eazdzit; Alouette

I don't know how you can say it is a culture. You may think it is a false religion, a bad religion, etc.. But a culture? How? It has different sects, interpretations, holy men It has a god and prayers and holy books.

The standard in this case, in my opinion, is that the children are being required to say prayers to a god.

I would have no objections if they were asked to eat pita bread and falafels, wear robes and do belly dances. That is "culture". Even, perhaps, giving them rugs and showing them how to bow 'might' be construed as cultural if they were silent and not required to recite prayers from the Koran. But then the school would have to show how to daven and how to take communion, and how to do a rain dance, too. But saying prayers is religion and it's well defined in case law by the USSC. That is why the 9th had to call it a "culture" in order to circumvent the precedent.

Its totally bizarre since one would think that this so-called "liberal court" would have decided the other way, against prayers. I guess they want to force the USSC to define religion?


30 posted on 05/24/2006 11:38:34 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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