Posted on 05/24/2006 7:12:19 AM PDT by AZRepublican
NEW YORK (CNN) -- President Bush says that the installation of the new Iraqi government was a "watershed event," but at the same time warns Americans of the challenges and loss as we continue to prosecute the war against Iraqi insurgents. Sen. Harry Reid declares that legislation that would render English the national language is racist.
Thirty-seven Democrats vote for full amnesty for all illegal aliens in this country, even though nobody really knows whether the number is 11 million, 12 million or 20 million. The Senate Republican leadership demands that a "comprehensive immigration reform" plan must be passed before this Memorial Day weekend. And the president signs into law a tax cut that raises taxes on the educational funds of teenagers saving for college.
Never before in our country's history have both the president and Congress been so out of touch with most Americans. Never before have so few of our elected officials and corporate leaders been less willing to commit to the national interest. And never before has our nation's largest constituent group -- some 200 million middle-class Americans -- been without representation in our nation's capital.
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What's going on with Lou?
Not that I have ever been a fan, but he's really turning into a kook.
I reject the term "working folk" and I even reject the term "middle class." We don't have classes in our society. Who is the term working folk supposed to apply to? Anyone with a job? Or just some jobs? What about "middle class"? What does that mean? Is it an income amount? Or a total net worth amount? Does it vary from region to region? Meaningless terminology.
Attention seeking behavior, which, considering his line of work, is quite rational.
On immigration, Lou Dobbs gets it.
LOL
Its the new feudalism dressed up as a free market. Part of the Abrahamoff corruption was him paying off Delay to promote a guest worker program like they have on Saipan. Truly disgusting, but then again even the pigs in the novel "Animal Farm" and the humans morphed together.
Lou Dobbs has been
tuning into Limbaugh!
Almost point for point.
Well maybe its like this:
Do you want amnesty for the millions who are here illegally? If not, Dobbs is saying you are being ignored....no matter what your "class" or economic situation might be, unless, of course, you are profitting from the labor if illegals.
Dobbs has it about right on illegals and this commentary nails it pretty good.
What an idiotic comment to make!!
Sorry. We don't. You can dice and slice us many ways for categorization's sake. Economically, you'll usually see US incomes divided into 5 quintiles, not 3 classes (rich/middle/poor or "working".) Unless there's some common understanding of what "middle class" is supposed to mean, it basically becomes an ink blot and means what the reader wants it to mean. It's a worthless, meaningless phrase.
"It's a worthless, meaningless phrase."
Perhaps to you it is.
It might mean something to the working poor. It might mean something else entirely to those families with "old money" who live off of their investments.
It's all about perspective.
And this is the most attention the issue has ever gotten. It's his moment in the sun.
I'm not amazed but very frustrated - it seems they will not accept any answer to the problem of immigration except full amnesty and free everything! I have to return almost 40% of my income to government to fund our schools, roads, health care, etc. but maybe becoming an illegal alien would save me from those taxes. I just want them to work legally and give back to the American economy like the rest of us - could we at least get that? I know assimilation is a long shot but at least support the government that supports you.
That's what makes it worthless. It's an ink blot, not an objective term with a clear meaning. Working poor? What is poor? And how old does money have to be to be old? And when you say "living off of investments," does that mean since Steve Forbes has a job, he doesn't fit that description, or does he? See what I mean? Worthless phrases. Class poetry.
Lou Dobbs Bump!
"Worthless phrases. Class poetry."
Unless you make $12,000.00 a year. Then it probably means something.....
If you rake in $750,000.00 or 2.5 mil a year on your wise investments...you probably wouldn't consider yourself "middle class".
Just because you can't put a fine point on it doesn't mean it does not exist.
Blah blah blah...More hyperbole hysterics..get real.
Dang that George Bush. Dang him to heck.
Lou Dobbs has a following, and among that following are those who feel protectionist and/or those who feel the borders are far too open. The most important thing he said is that 37 of 44 Democrat Senators voted FOR amnesty.
He went on to note with their photos that Hillary, Feingold, and Kerry all voted for amnesty. (I think the third guy was Kerry!)
My point is that as angry as voters may be, at least Democrats have made clear they stand for illegal immigration carried to free and automatic citizenship.
Not that I have ever been a fan, but he's really turning into a kook.
Hey, I've got class!
fat pig howling in attempt to raise his scum bottom ratings
"Bush, Congress tell working folk to go to hell..."
Yeah, right...
There's an illegal immigration problem, but these "sensational" insinuations don't help...just mindless rhetoric that I am sure the CNN cronies will capitalize on for their own "hate the administration" agenda.
I would respectfully disagree Huck! At minimum we have 2; Ruling and the rest of us. Based upon the fact that those in the ruling class operated under a different set of rules I believe it qualifies as a distinct class
A couple of other classes come to mind like Hollywierd elite, MSM elite.
The main class I'm thinking of is the political class, which is completely out of touch with normal Americans.
Precisely.
Agreed.
"...at least Democrats have made clear they stand for illegal immigration carried to free and automatic citizenship."
So has GWB with his "earned pathway to citizenship".
I don't know if I'd trust an article by a Sociology professor at a publicly-funded California university, whose sources consist primarily of liberal diatribes (one of which isn't even published yet), as being anywhere near accurate.
Only one of his sources has anything close to legitimacy (Federal Reserve), the rest of the article is composed of dubious material, making the assertions based on them dubious as well.
Depends. If that person is a 20-something year old whose parents make 150K, is that person still "working poor"? What if his parents help bail him out, let him drive the family truckster, take him on vacations to the Bahamas. Is he still working poor?
How about the free spirit who lives at 9,000 ft somewhere in the Rockies. Is that person "working poor"?
If you rake in $750,000.00 or 2.5 mil a year on your wise investments...you probably wouldn't consider yourself "middle class".
"Rake in"? That's a mighty loaded phrase. So how about 200K? Is that middle class or rich? What about 300K?
I can tell from your posts you have a chip on your shoulder about money. Might want to work on that.
Just because you can't put a fine point on it doesn't mean it does not exist.
Not only can we not put a fine point on it, we can't even determine what it means or who it applies to.
I think Lou is getting ready for his run for the presidency.
Maybe that's why they call them "editorials."
Regarding the tax. a 14-17 year old has to have an income that it pretty high to be affected by the new law. The sting is that, as usual, it is night high enough, and as family incomes rise, it will stay the same. Pretty soon the shelter for college will be riddled for people in the middle of the middle class.
What is wrong with his article? Specifically.
But the political class is an elected group. It contains both Shiela Jackson Lee and George W Bush. I can't see how that's a "class." You can define subcultures, perhaps. Ivy leaguers. Lawyers. Blue bloods. Lots of ways to categorize. But classes? I don't think so. People move up and down throughout the income strata.
No chip on my shoulder about money. My investments earned 38% last year. Thanks for your concern though. My point is this: Just because you discount the "middle classes" as a fallacy does not mean that others do. Get over it.
Lets really unstablize Mexico so the revived communists of South American can add one more nation to their list of USA's enemies. Nothing our enemies would like better than to have a fellow enemy nation share a 2000 mile border with us.
When 12 million people who are supporting 24 million Mexicans lose their jobs and are forced home what do you suppose they will do? That would mean 36 million our of 107 million mexicans would be starving. The most likely thing they would do is over throw the government of Mexico. And the new Mexican government will have just one choice to survive as a goverment.
That is they would make a deal with our enemies in exchange for economic aid. What do you suppose our enemies would want? How about unlimited insurgent access to that 2000 mile long border. Thirty six million starving people would not turn down food to save our but from insurgent attacks.
Our enemy list would include the militant Muslims, the resurgent Russians, as well as Castro and Chavez. Just how much mischief do you think they could do with that border.
To prevent them from sending thousands of insurgents accross our border we would have to bring the troops home from the middle east. I would have to the worlds longest battle line with orders to shoot on radar pickup.
With us out of the middle east what do the Militant Muslims do? They would use just take over the majority of the worlds oil supply. They would tell us if we want oil we will have to pay at least 700 dollars a barrel. Or perhaps just refuse to sell us oil at any price.
As our unemployment reached 50 percent, and our economy melted down to nothing, those Muslims might manage to get a few hundred insurgents accross our border. Even a 20 percent success rate would be enough for them. As unemployed Americans start dying at an Iraqi rate, do you suppose you would look yourself in the eye and say... "DAMN I AM GLAD WE GOT RID OF THOSE MEXICANS."
The problem with people like Dobbs is they never consider the consequences of what they propose to do.
Dobbs has never once considered what would happen to the Mexicans who were departed. And what their governemnt would do in response to their removal from the USA and its resulant starvation and poverty.
How many US citizens are you willing to see die, in order to deport 10 million Mexicans? That is the question.
If that answer is none then they stay. If the answer is only a few hundred thousand.. then they go.
The real question to separate teh hypocrits from the true beleivers is those who would be willing to give their own life in order to depor the 10 or 12 million Mexicans.
Really! We don't have classes, eh? That's why three generations of the Kennedy family with mediocre academic bankgrounds have gone to Harvard before becoming adult idle rich and politicians and three generations of the Black dynasty have worked at various professions for their entire lives.
Just keep telling yourself we're all the same, and that what is good for the inhereted wealth super rich is good for the guy making 100K a year. That's what we are intended to believe by politicians. That's why Ms. Kerry paid taxes at 1/3 the rate that I do, as a normal working stiff.
"fat pig howling in attempt to raise his scum bottom ratings"
Don't talk about the president that way.
And I presume these terms (middle class/poor) relate to America only, right? In other words, what's poor here isn't necessarily the same as what's poor in, say, Honduras? Thus, in America, one can have a residence, a car, a job, food on the table, and enough disposable income for cable tv, movies, fast food and even cruises to the Bahamas and still be considered "poor", while in Honduras that might make you king. It's relative to America's "standard of living", wouldn't you say?
What it asserts in the title...specifically.
Thanks,
In Hoc
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