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Putin Criticizes Cheney's Remarks
AP ^ | May. 25, 2006 | VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

Posted on 05/25/2006 2:25:39 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that Russia wants good relations with the United States but he objected vigorously to Vice President Dick Cheney's recent criticism of democratic backtracking by the Kremlin.

"We see how the United States defends its interests, we see what methods and means they use for this," Putin said at a news conference following a summit meeting of Russia and the European Union in his most direct criticism of Cheney's remarks.

In a speech earlier this month in Lithuania, Cheney accused the Kremlin of rolling back democracy and strong-arming its ex-Soviet neighbors.

"When we fight for our interests, we also look for the most acceptable methods to accomplish our national tasks, and I find it strange that this seems inexplicable to someone," Putin said, replying to a reporter's request for his reaction to the vice president's remarks.

Even before Cheney's speech, Russian-U.S. relations had been on a steady downward slide. Last month, Putin claimed the United States had put up artificial obstacles to slow Russia's entry into the World Trade Organization, and the Pentagon accused Moscow of giving intelligence on U.S. troop movements in Iraq to Saddam Hussein in 2003.

The crisis around Iran's nuclear program has seen the two countries, which proclaimed themselves "strategic partners" just a few years ago, firmly in opposing camps.

Putin said that despite the friction, the United States remains "one of our major partners."

But he suggested no nation had the right to interfere in Russia's relations with third countries.

"As far as the view of our relations with other countries, we will discuss our relations with them directly," Putin said icily.

The growing rift with Washington threatens to mar the summit of the Group of Eight leading industrialized nations in St. Petersburg in July.

Speaking of U.S. criticism of a hard-fought Russian-Ukrainian gas deal, which many Ukrainian politicians and the U.S. government have objected to as putting the two sides on unequal terms, Putin asked: "How can leaders of other states say it is bad for the Ukrainians?"

"I don't understand if this criticism is addressed to us or the Ukrainian leadership. But you should ask those who make these comments."

Putin and European Union leaders agreed their countries had common interests in easing their dispute over energy supplies and markets, but acknowledged differences.

"We are aware of our common interests," European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said at the final press conference. "What we want is a relationship based on ... the principle of interdependence."

The energy disputes have hung over the relationship since January, when a brief disruption in Russian gas supplies to Western Europe amid a price dispute with Ukraine tarnished Russia's reputation as a reliable supplier and encouraged the EU to intensify a search for alternative supply routes.

"We are as interested as Russia to avoid further misunderstandings," said Austrian Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel, whose country currently holds the EU presidency.

But Barroso said there were still "sensitivities" that needed to be addressed.

"This is not at all, I want to underline this on our side, a problem of lack of trust in Russia as a credible supplier, as Russia has always been," he said. "But there are some sensitivities, it is true."

He said the sensitivities included the way public opinion in the EU reacted to the problems between Russia and Ukraine earlier this year.

Putin tried to assure his EU partners that China was no substitute for Europe as a market for Russia's oil and gas although Russia was developing markets for its energy resources.

"China is not an alternative to Europe for energy supplies," Putin told a news conference following the Russia-EU summit.

The New Year's shutdown, which was followed by gas shortages amid a harsh winter, came as Russia declared energy security to be a top priority of its leadership this year of the G-8.

European fears of excessive energy reliance on Russia, which supplies a quarter of Europe's gas and is its second-biggest supplier of oil, increased further amid talk that Russia's state-controlled natural gas giant, Gazprom, was considering acquiring Britain's largest gas distributor and negotiating similar deals in other EU nations.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: austria; eussr; gasputin; interdependence; wto
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1 posted on 05/25/2006 2:25:42 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

whatever, putin.


2 posted on 05/25/2006 2:30:36 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (it's all just stuff.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ahh yes classic russian doublespeak. The EU needs wake up and watch their back with Russia. Once you become dependant on their petrol then they can tighten the screws for political leverage.Reagan warned them of this before the USSR disintegrated. Seems like he was right.


3 posted on 05/25/2006 2:36:40 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"But he suggested no nation had the right to interfere in Russia's relations with third countries."

So Pooty-poo won't mind if we sell arms to the Chechens?

4 posted on 05/25/2006 2:38:14 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Lets help them build "reactors" for peaceful energy purposes. ;)


5 posted on 05/25/2006 3:02:25 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Tailgunner Joe; snugs

Looks like the ripples are still hitting home...


6 posted on 05/25/2006 3:28:11 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

IBTRWC!!!

("It is difficult to understand what Putin has in mind but remember the terrible cost that Russia paid blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah blahblahblahblahblahblahAmericanIndiansblahblah
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blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah Stalin was Ukrainian blahblahblahblahblahJewish Polish blahblahblahblahblahNaziblahblahblahblahblah, not Russian.")


7 posted on 05/25/2006 3:59:14 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot; Romanov; x5452

spanalot, are you still lying about being interviewed by the KGB?


8 posted on 05/25/2006 4:24:29 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc

"spanalot, are you still lying about being interviewed by the KGB?"

No- not currently nor in the past.

And as you have so little to ponder, any idea why an American Vet like Romanov has nothing to say about his 6 years interviewing Russians who fought against us in VietNam


9 posted on 05/25/2006 5:20:42 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"Putin asked: "How can leaders of other states say it is bad for the Ukrainians?" "

I'll go out on the limb on this but venture to guess that it is bad because PUTIN SHUT OFF THE GAS THAT UKRAINE BOUGHT FROM TURKMANISTAN FOR THE SAME PRICE RUSSIA PAYS FOR IT.


10 posted on 05/25/2006 5:23:35 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot; Romanov; x5452
And as you have so little to ponder, any idea why an American Vet like Romanov has nothing to say about his 6 years interviewing Russians who fought against us in VietNam

I see you are still spewing your fascist Ukrainian bile. Romanov interviewed SOVIET officers, not only Russians, and a large percentage of them were Ukrainians.
11 posted on 05/25/2006 6:44:42 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc; Tailgunner Joe

"Romanov interviewed SOVIET officers, not only Russians, and a large percentage of them were Ukrainians."

Then why has he never shared his insights on this unknown aspect of US - Russian "Cold" war?


12 posted on 05/25/2006 6:55:44 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
Spanalot, your bald faced facist Ukranian lies were exposed at Back to the U.S.S.R. - the new Russia is sounding a lot like the old one starting at post 87.
13 posted on 05/25/2006 10:11:18 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: spanalot

What is ukraine the 51st state all the sudden?

Let em freeze.


14 posted on 05/25/2006 10:23:16 PM PDT by x5452
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To: spanalot

I'll go out on the limb on this but venture to guess that it is bad because PUTIN SHUT OFF THE GAS THAT UKRAINE BOUGHT FROM TURKMANISTAN FOR THE SAME PRICE RUSSIA PAYS FOR IT. ==

I will very soory to see you limbless:). If Ukraine had the contract with Turkmen as you state then show taht contract to everyone please. Why they refused to show it? Isn't it because they simply lied about it:)))).


15 posted on 05/26/2006 12:23:18 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: GarySpFc

(yawn)


16 posted on 05/26/2006 2:39:15 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: RusIvan

I hope you like eating crow.


"After a row of negotiations during 2005, Niyazov said in November that Turkmenistan would sell its gas to all buyers at $60 per 1,000 cubic meters starting from 1 January.

A highpoint in the Turkmen-Ukraine relationship came when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko said in late December that -- under the deal reached with Ashgabat -- Turkmenistan would supply Ukraine with 40 billion cubic meters of gas at $50 per 1,000 cubic meters. He said deliveries would start in January."


17 posted on 05/26/2006 2:44:53 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot; Romanov; x5452
A highpoint in the Turkmen-Ukraine relationship came when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko said in late December that -- under the deal reached with Ashgabat -- Turkmenistan would supply Ukraine with 40 billion cubic meters of gas at $50 per 1,000 cubic meters. He said deliveries would start in January."

Greetings Fraud. You not only lie, but do not keep up with things.

See: Ukraine, Turkmenistan set to discuss gas supplies, Dated 5/17/06

IEV, May 17 (RIA Novosti) - Ukraine and Turkmenistan will soon hold a new round of talks on the schedule of natural gas supplies for the second half of this year, the Ukrainian fuel and energy minister said Wednesday.

"We are planning to hold the next round of talks with Turkmenistan on [natural gas] supplies to Ukraine for the second half of the year...maybe in a week," Ivan Plachkov said.

In March, Ukraine's national oil and gas company Naftogaz and the Turkmen government signed an agreement on bilateral settlements on natural gas shipments to Ukraine in 2003-05.

Under the agreement, the $88.34 million pre-payment that Ukraine made for 2006 gas deliveries will be counted toward its 2003-05 gas debt to Turkmenistan, thereby clearing the hard currency part of the Ukrainian company's debt and recognizing a $68 million commodities debt that it pledged to discharge by August 10, 2006.

The agreement also said that the Central Asian republic was to deliver 40 billion cu m of gas to Ukraine at $50 per 1,000 cu m in the first half of 2006 and at $60 per 1,000 cu m in the second half. However, Turkmenistan has not delivered gas to Ukraine since the beginning of the year.

Plachkov said the new contract would determine the volume and price of gas supplies not only for this year, but possibly for the next five years, depending on the outcome of the talks.

Turkmenistan became Ukraine's principal supplier of natural gas after Kiev decided to buy less gas from Russia in the wake of a price dispute at the start of the year.
18 posted on 05/26/2006 6:35:58 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: spanalot
I'll go out on the limb on this but venture to guess that it is bad because PUTIN SHUT OFF THE GAS THAT UKRAINE BOUGHT FROM TURKMANISTAN FOR THE SAME PRICE RUSSIA PAYS FOR IT.

Another Spanalot lie.
19 posted on 05/26/2006 6:37:11 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc

You're just going to confuse him with facts!


20 posted on 05/26/2006 7:32:12 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot

Posted by Romanov to spanalot
On News/Activism 05/26/2006 6:22:46 PM EDT · 11 of 11


PPC duplicity alert:

""" Posted by spanalot to Romanov
On News/Activism 05/08/2006 2:38:00 PM EDT · 316 of 520
...

I was born in the US and have never left."

Tonight's claim:
"And I was interrogated in the USSR when we left our tour group to visit my relatives outside the city limits. My parents escaped the clutches of the Russians in 1938."

Which is it? FRAUD.

Once a lying communist always a lying communist.

And since you're oh so slow on the uptake and even though you've been told several times about the interviews. Read about it for yourself:

http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/sovietunion/vietnam_working.htm

Pay particular attention to the last paragraph and the numbers and locations of interviews.


21 posted on 05/26/2006 7:36:00 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot; GarySpFc

"(yawn)"

Yep - typical for you.

Here's the math for you =

The Claim:
Spanalot claims to be a fierce anti-communist and those who disagree with him are "traitors."

The Reality:
1. Spanalot besmirches American vets who served during the Cold War to defeat Communism. One of them, GarySpFc, is a man who FOUGHT the communists face-to-face.
2. Spanalot's "battle" with Communism? Goes on a tourist trip to the Soviet Union in the midst of the Cold War thus supporting an enterprise (tourism) that provided Soviets with much needed foreign hard currency to keep their corrupt regime going.

I'm still trying to cipher through how someone (Comrade Spinalot -Komsomolets)claims his parents "escaped" or were placed in the GULag but yet saw fit to allow him to pay homage to the Soviet Union by going on a tour during the years when they were threatening our very existence.

You are a FRAUD. Commie.


22 posted on 05/26/2006 7:40:46 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Tailgunner Joe; GarySpFc

"European fears of excessive energy reliance on Russia, which supplies a quarter of Europe's gas and is its second-biggest supplier of oil, increased further amid talk that Russia's state-controlled natural gas giant, Gazprom, was considering acquiring Britain's largest gas distributor and negotiating similar deals in other EU nations."

If Britain is smart they should block this effort. I'm all for free-trading, however, if Gazprom is not available to be bid for by foreign entities they should not be allowed to bid for foreign companies. Free-but-Fair trade (And not the "Fair trade" the eco-weenies are yammering about).


23 posted on 05/26/2006 7:47:15 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot

"After a row of negotiations during 2005, Niyazov said in November that Turkmenistan would sell its gas to all buyers at $60 per 1,000 cubic meters starting from 1 January.

A highpoint in the Turkmen-Ukraine relationship came when Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko said in late December that -- under the deal reached with Ashgabat -- Turkmenistan would supply Ukraine with 40 billion cubic meters of gas at $50 per 1,000 cubic meters. He said deliveries would start in January."

Bahahahaahaha - for someone to "eat crow" you would have to find some to serve. You have failed in that endeavor. Read what RusIvan said - you actually prove his point: When Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko "said" - that's hardly a "contract" or proof thereof.

Of course communists like you are quick to lie and dissemble.


24 posted on 05/26/2006 7:50:02 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot

LOL!!
that's so funny!


25 posted on 05/26/2006 7:51:47 PM PDT by KOZ.
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To: spanalot

"After a row of negotiations during 2005, Niyazov said in November that Turkmenistan would sell its gas to all buyers at $60 per 1,000 cubic meters starting from 1 January.==

"Niyazov said"?:) Is it you prove? I ask you show the papers or just answer me WHY on earth the ukranian goverment is just bla-bla-ing but do not show no paper contract which supports thier blaberings?

Maybe besides of some Niazov sayings on publics they has nothing:). You know his sayings is not contract with which you can go to court:). SO I congradulate you limbless.


26 posted on 05/26/2006 11:49:32 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Why not we bombed Christians on behalf of Mulim Kosovars.


27 posted on 05/27/2006 6:26:45 AM PDT by x5452
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To: spanalot

High point.

As in you'd have to be high to deal with a nation for whom 'bumming some cash and never paying it back' is public policy.

Folks lending to Yushchenko should insist he bring the vasoiline or at least buy them dinner first.


28 posted on 05/27/2006 6:28:52 AM PDT by x5452
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To: GarySpFc

Where were you on Jan 1?

You obviously had no acess to the news that Putie shut off the gas to Ukraine (that Ukraine bought from Turkmenistan).


29 posted on 05/27/2006 10:01:09 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Romanov

""I was born in the US and have never left." "

"Tonight's claim:
"And I was interrogated in the USSR when we left our tour group to visit my relatives outside the city limits. My parents escaped the clutches of the Russians in 1938."

Which is it? FRAUD. "

--

I'll type real slow so you can understand it.

Contrary to your rants, I am an American , born in America and never left it.

Does that mean I have never travelled ? Does putting teats on a bull make it a cow?

No!

I have been to all the countries I would care to see and there is no place like the USA.
You on the other hand have spent years living in Russia and by the tenor of your posts, it seems you miss it.
Go Back - do us a favor - and take your wives, too.


30 posted on 05/27/2006 10:06:38 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Romanov

"Goes on a tourist trip to the Soviet Union in the midst of the Cold War thus supporting an enterprise (tourism) that provided Soviets with much needed foreign hard currency to keep their corrupt regime going."

Your tactics are laughable. Reminds me of a six year old.

We went to Russia so we could see aunts and uncles and cousins who were not as fortunate to escape the Iron Curtain as did my parents. It was my first time seeing them and it was the first for my parents in over 3 decades.

I'll NEVER go back.


31 posted on 05/27/2006 10:11:18 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: x5452

"As in you'd have to be high to deal with a nation for whom 'bumming some cash and never paying it back' is public policy. "

Oh - do you mean the Russian pratice of periodically sucking all the grain out of Ukraine and starving millions?

http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/


32 posted on 05/27/2006 10:16:20 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot

"Your tactics are laughable. Reminds me of a six year old.

We went to Russia so we could see aunts and uncles and cousins who were not as fortunate to escape the Iron Curtain as did my parents. It was my first time seeing them and it was the first for my parents in over 3 decades.

I'll NEVER go back. "

My tactics are sound. YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE. By traveling to the Soviet Union under Communism YOU supported the COMMUNIST regime. FULL STOP. You did more to ensure your so-called "relatives" (or handlers???) had their enslavement extended. Foreign tourism, such as you engaged in, was a huge source of the much needed hard currency for this criminal regime. The money you spent in the Soviet Union went straight into the Communist Party coffers. Only an idiot wouldn't realize this. Furthermore, you are a fraud because if you're parents "had escaped" the clutches as you claim they would know quite well that tourism is a form of regime support.
What's next for your vacation plans? Cuba? North Korea.

Commie.


33 posted on 05/27/2006 3:01:45 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot

"I'll type real slow so you can understand it.

Contrary to your rants, I am an American , born in America and never left it.

Does that mean I have never travelled ? Does putting teats on a bull make it a cow?

No!

I have been to all the countries I would care to see and there is no place like the USA.
You on the other hand have spent years living in Russia and by the tenor of your posts, it seems you miss it.
Go Back - do us a favor - and take your wives, too."

You LEFT the US. "Never Left" means you didn't break the plane of the national borders. Try again.

Furthermore Comrade Spinalot. I was on US MILITARY ORDERS to go to the former Soviet Union. To refuse those orders was out of the question as that would be a crime. I was recruited and trained to be a Russian specialist and, as such, was sent there to further US goals in the region. Something you wouldn't understand because you've refused to do anything for your country. In fact, you showed more support to the COMMUNISTS by providing them with hard currency tourism dollars during the 70s?!?! Criminal.

And as far as "going back" - perhaps you should go back. You're heart is squarely in the Ukrainian nationalist camp - that RED-BROWN coalition. IT fits perfect with your stated history of supporting communist regimes by "sight-seeing."
Commie Fraud.


34 posted on 05/27/2006 3:06:02 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot; GarySpFc; x5452

"We went to Russia so we could see aunts and uncles and cousins who were not as fortunate to escape the Iron Curtain as did my parents. It was my first time seeing them and it was the first for my parents in over 3 decades"

My oh My oh My! This is the closest to a "confession" as I've ever read from you. You probably don't even realize why it's a "confession."

Here's the glaring inconsistency with your (ever changing) claims. You claim your parents fled the Iron Curtain. And now you're stating they accompanied you on a trip to the Soviet Union. Here's the problem, Comrade Spinalot. The Soviets REFUSED to issue visas to people who escaped their criminal regime. That's right REFUSED to issue visas with ONE EXCEPTION, here's the kicker, now read carefully: Visas were refused to those who escaped or defected because they were considered "enemies of the people." However, if the so-called "escapees" or "defectors" were later deemed "Soviet Friendly" they were allowed to return for a visit. So, let's see. Your parents "escaped" but were later allowed to go for a visit. ALL DURING the SOVIET UNION's existence. Hmmm.. I think you might be leaving something crucial out of your little tale - COMRADE.

Let's take for example several of my teachers who have the same sort of background you "claim" your parents have. One teacher's mother was dying. He applied for a visa to return to see her one last time. Decision - REFUSED. He was an enemy of the state for fleeing the Iron Curtain.
Another teacher wanted to visit Kazakhstan to see his son get married. Decision- REFUSED: He was an enemy of the state for fleeing the Iron Curtain.

The Flip Side: Lefties who left the Soviet Union - allowed to travel frequently. STalin's daughter - VISA issued. Fellow Travelers of Russian/Ukrainian/Jewish etc origin - VISAS Issued.

You got some 'splaining to do.

What's your REAL mission in the States? Comrade.


35 posted on 05/27/2006 3:34:54 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Romanov; Tailgunner Joe; lizol; Mazepa; Lukasz

"..that RED-BROWN coalition. IT fits perfect with your stated history of supporting communist regimes by "sight-seeing."
Commie Fraud."

Make up your mind - are you accusing me of being a fascist or a communist (tho there really is little difference between any of these and the "new" Russia)


But I have gleaned something else from these recent posts. It appears a new tactic is to flame authenitic posters so that the admin is called in - at which point the antiPutie post is relegated to the smokey back room.

Nice Try.


36 posted on 05/29/2006 9:31:22 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot

"Make up your mind - are you accusing me of being a fascist or a communist (tho there really is little difference between any of these and the "new" Russia) "

RED-BROWN coalition - do the math.

I could care less where a thread ends up. So, that point, as far as I'm concerned is not valid.

You never did answer how you and your parents were allowed to travel to the Soviet Union but yet you claim "they fled" the Russians. It doesn't work that way, and you know it.

The hard currency you brought into the Soviet Union during your trip there helped prop up the corrupt regime. Fellow traveler.


37 posted on 05/29/2006 9:35:06 AM PDT by Romanov
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To: Romanov; spanalot

You're attacking a poster's parents? Judging them when you know nothing about them? At a time when history clearly suggests that the chances are they suffered an awful lot?

Pathetic. And very, very low.


38 posted on 05/31/2006 10:49:41 PM PDT by propertius
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To: propertius

"You're attacking a poster's parents? Judging them when you know nothing about them? At a time when history clearly suggests that the chances are they suffered an awful lot?"

I suggest you go back and review the origins of this discussion - and take note of spanalot's disparaging remarks about my wife, other poster's wives, children, etc., based on their ethnicity. Said poster also brought is parents into it by making several claims later refuted and disproven.


39 posted on 06/01/2006 6:11:52 AM PDT by Romanov
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To: Romanov

"Here's the glaring inconsistency with your (ever changing) claims"

Nice Try but there is no tangled web.

My parents are Ukrainian.

When they were born it was Austro Hungary.

When they escaped the invasion of the Russians, it was still Poland (but not for long).

See, its easy to be consistent when one never lies.


40 posted on 06/01/2006 1:03:16 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Romanov

"spanalot's disparaging remarks about my wife, other poster's wives"

There is no secret that most Putin-philes here profess to be US vets, and that they live in the US, but they are very familiar with Russia because they have "Russian Wives".

The Russian Wives Club seldom posts anything except that which involves 1) the advancement of "understanding" of the Russian side of things, 2) the slandering of Ukrainian interests, 3) the slandering of Polish interests.

And in hour case, this is despite your professed "6 year" interview of Russian Viet Nam vets. Why have you refused to share your insights on this secret war waged against the US?

To the extent I have been critical of this, I plead Very ,Very Guilty - and with No Explanation; especially to anyone that would obfuscate the Kremlin's role in the Genocide of 100 million in the past century.


41 posted on 06/01/2006 1:13:56 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot

"There is no secret that most Putin-philes here profess to be US vets, and that they live in the US, but they are very familiar with Russia because they have "Russian Wives".

The Russian Wives Club seldom posts anything except that which involves 1) the advancement of "understanding" of the Russian side of things, 2) the slandering of Ukrainian interests, 3) the slandering of Polish interests.

And in hour case, this is despite your professed "6 year" interview of Russian Viet Nam vets. Why have you refused to share your insights on this secret war waged against the US?

To the extent I have been critical of this, I plead Very ,Very Guilty - and with No Explanation; especially to anyone that would obfuscate the Kremlin's role in the Genocide of 100 million in the past century."

I see you spinalot it to what you think is your advantage. First of all, and I've told you this before - my wife is an ethnic UKRAINIAN. You dolt. But since you prefer to judge people based on what color they are or what blood courses through their veins and since I post things that counter your Ukrainian nationalist revisionist history I suppose it's just easier for you to slander my wife, my daughter, etc., by calling them "evil" for having Russian blood - the very SAME blood that courses through your veins - as there is no real genetic difference btwn you Ukrainians and Russians.

And let's get something CRYSTAL CLEAR. I advance no country's interests other than the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. That's what you really get mad about. That I'm not forwarding Ukrainian nationalist propaganda and that I'm not giving the Poles a free ride on their criticism of Russia when they do the exact same things they yell about Russia doing (arms trade to US enemies, etc.). So, how about putting the United States of America's interests first - Comrade? Or does your "heart" and loyalty still remain in Western Ukraine?

Regarding the interviews of Soviet (Ukrainian/Russian/Belarusian/Turkmen/Latvian/Estonian,etc) Vietname War veterans. I've provided this information and links to my writings on the subject on various occasions. I know you've looked at it, because you unwittingly quoted something I wrote in that capacity in a post you made a few months back. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


42 posted on 06/01/2006 1:26:56 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Romanov

"Regarding the interviews of Soviet (Ukrainian/Russian/Belarusian/Turkmen/Latvian/Estonian,etc) Vietname War veterans. I've provided this information and links to my writings on the subject on various occasions"



To: spanalot; JasonC
Spanalot you're once again showing your inability to comprehend simple concepts. I have retired after 23 years of service. The first 3 were in the US Army with the 326th Ord Company (Rapid Deployment Forces). The last 20 were with the USAF - I served in MI, Arms Control, and the last six years I worked on a Joint U.S.-Russian commission tasked with finding information that may clarify the fate of our missing servicemen. I'm a proud member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars - since 1986.

So little boys - if either of you two have served as long as I have then please feel free to try to discredit my service to country. If you haven't - STFU. Unlike you kids I didn't fight my wars on the internet.

And JasonC - if you think I'm a traitor please feel free to call up Sec Def Rumsfeld and tell him to rescind the three medals I was awarded that he approved.

Romanov



I dont see any links and neither can i find any evidence that this commission was granted permission to do 6 years worth of interviews.

I am sure you will provide a rational explanation.

However the bottom line remains - your posts are limited to Uke and Pole bashing and Putie Pushing - and no insights that one would expect from interviewing so many enemy communist soldiers.


43 posted on 06/02/2006 4:13:41 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot; GarySpFc

Seek help, you need it. I'm not a Pole or Ukrainian basher or a pro-Russian poster. That's something you cannot understand or will not understand because you live a life that is based on ethnic hatred. What I will do is point out the hypocrisy when posted by any proponent of nationalist politics when claiming they are "victims" of the said criminal Soviet regimes. If Poles or Ukrainians or Russians or Georgians or whomever fall into these categories they deserve to be outed. The history of that region has shown that inter-ethnic hatred has caused the deaths of millions. What you and your "friends" do on here is continue that Eastern European tradition of basing your hatred of someone based on where they were born. We've already fought one world war because of people like you. Over 400,000 Americans died because of people like you who thrive off of hate. What you are afraid of is the truth.

Regarding the Commission and your doubts of its existence. You obviously have some problems with fact and with reality. But once again - this will make the 4th time I have provided this information to you - so before you to to the links take your meds so you'll remember it this time. And remove the tinfoil hat from your head to - it may cause forgetfulness:

http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/sovietunion/jcsd.htm

http://www.usembassy.ru/embassy/section.php?record_id=pow_mia


44 posted on 06/02/2006 5:00:38 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot; JasonC; Romanov; x5452
The Russian Wives Club seldom posts anything except that which involves 1) the advancement of "understanding" of the Russian side of things, 2) the slandering of Ukrainian interests, 3) the slandering of Polish interests.

Firstly, my wife is Ukrainian/Russian, and grew up in a Ukrainian only speaking home. She is fluent in Ukrainian.

Understanding the Russian side of things sometimes has everything to do with saving American kids from terrorist attacks. Have you ever heard of the Archangel Group? Archangel is an expert anti-terrorist group run by a former American Special Forces.

Archangel group helping America's schools prepare

Archangel Group

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Our training is founded on decades of experience in national and international affairs, as well as close working relationships with U.S., British, Russian, and Israeli Special Forces Units.

You really should read, Terror at Beslan: A Russian Tragedy with Lessons for America's Schools, by John Giduck, but then like all keyboard commandos you're too busy sitting on your butt.

45 posted on 06/02/2006 8:47:23 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc
"former American" - the operative phrase...
46 posted on 06/02/2006 8:53:54 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC

Yeah for you're kind of turd way socialist soros supporting idicracy.


47 posted on 06/02/2006 10:02:27 PM PDT by x5452
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To: JasonC; Romanov

Oh, you're one of those who deny Ronald Reagan won the Cold War. Like all keyboard commandos you need to be careful and not get your fingers dirty typing while real men stand up for their country.


48 posted on 06/02/2006 10:17:18 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: spanalot
"your posts are limited to Uke and Pole bashing and Putie Pushing"

If few guys from let's say Mongolia came here and were posting "Russophobic" stuff (article from MSM about current events in Russia, which make Puti looks bad) then they would add Mongol bashing - Stalin was 1/16 Mongolian, antisemitism is growing in Mongolia, Mongolia wants to sell tractors to Iran, Mongols are xenophobic fascists etc.
49 posted on 06/03/2006 3:49:21 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: GarySpFc

Which is it Gary? If you have a straw, you can't suck and blow at the same time.

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"Firstly, my wife is Ukrainian/Russian, and grew up in a Ukrainian only speaking home. She is fluent in Ukrainian."



"To: The Lion Roars
My wife is Russian, and we maintain a second home in Volgograd. Last year there were many articles and posts in major newspapers regarding a monument to Stalin, Churchill, and Roosevelt. There was a big uproar and many on Free Republic and elsewhere were saying this signaled a revival of Stalinism in Russia...

Anyone who knows many Russians will tell you the only thing Russians respect about Stalin was he was their leader in WWII, which they won...

27 posted on 03/04/2006 6:14:25 PM PST by GarySpFc (de oppresso liber)
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50 posted on 06/03/2006 6:13:54 AM PDT by spanalot
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