Skip to comments.Just when you think Arlen Specter can't stoop any lower...
Posted on 05/25/2006 3:44:46 PM PDT by no dems
I heard this on Sean Hannity's Fox Radio broadcast a short while ago and just now on "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on CNN:
Arlen Specter, according to Congressman John Kyl of Arizona, slipped a provision into the Immigration Bill the Senate passed today requiring the U.S. to consult with Mexico BEFORE building a wall in any area along the border.
As we write, Vicente Fox is in California urging his citzens,and our illegals, to mobilise. Since he and Bush both support the amnesty bill passed by the Senate, I think they should make joint appearances.
Perhaps they can hold a joint press conference and announce that both governments have decided to cancel the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.
But what's the point -- they're getting the territory back step by step and block by block anyway. Perhaps Bush will propose to Congress that we pay reparations for "stealing" the land.
And also, as part of the package, see what the original $15 million would be today at compound interest since 1848!
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Thanks for being a good American.
He's been whacked one too many times in the head with a squash racquet.
What kind of medications is Arlen Spector on?
I think the problem is that he's OFF the ones he SHOULD be on!
I'm waiting to hear that Specter, Kennedy and Frank are in a love triangle. Oh, that's right. Since Specter is the ranking member, it is a Right love trinagle.
That provision was in the "Manager's Amendment Package" that contained, "numerous amendments that had been agreed upon in advance" (and that apparently not many knew about).
Kyl took to the floor and was given a minute to explain that one provision before the vote on the package.
Wonder what else is in there??
I do not know what dictionary you use, but "consult" does NOT equal permission as far as Merriam Webster is concerned. It means getting their advice or opinion. I sometimes get the advice of people and find myself not taking the advice. I have still "consulted" them.
It does not matter what it means to the ACLU or the Nature Conservancy, either.
It DOES matter what it means to Federal judges. That is why it is so important to get more conservatives on the benches.
It was Chris Dodd's amendment, actually""
They are both certified traitors, IMO.
In total truth this IS Bush's fault.
Well, thank goodness W rescued the Sphincter from possible defeat in the primary by a real conservative, Toomey. Otherwise, PA might have elected someone who doesn't think we have to ask permission to guard our own border. This is the most disgusting thing in a whole list of disgusting things in this bill. Everyone must call Hastert and tell him to appoint strong border defenders to the conference committee. NO RINOs!
Scottish Law and Magic Bullets, he has a lot to atone for.
The government could just ignore this provision like they ignored the enforcement provision of the last Immigration Reform from 20 years ago.
Why should he start now?
On the contrary, "consult" implies input and discussion, especially in a governmental setting. This is an opportunity for the Mexican governments at all levels to tie any progress on a fence up for years in court, claiming they were insufficiently consulted prior to building it. "Consult" gives them an implied right to review blueprints, construction plans, and raise objections at every point in the pathway.
No doubt there will be a string of lawsuits spawned by this measure, endless delays, and the result will be a fence 3 inches high with waterfountains and rest stations at no less than quarter mile intervals.
Mirriam Webster is not source that will be used to determine the meaning of the words in this measure. Mandatory consultation does not require permission but it does require a defined process of input, advice, feedback, discussion etc etc which can take years to complete. It opens any efforts to construct a fence to charges of inadequate consultation with years of litigation likely.
To make matters worse, the bill defines the purpose of the consultation as being:
"...solicit the views of affected communities, lessen tensions and foster greater understanding and stronger cooperation"
Any methodology which does not completely fulfill the above explicit purposes can be the grounds for further court imposed delay. For example some group in Mexico can come forward at the last minute and claim their views were not solicited and take it to court. Strong protests by a group of Mexicans might be used to claim that the consultation to date was insufficient to 'lessen tensions' hence more consultation was necessary. Etc etc etc.
Some of these arguments would no doubt be raised to block building a fence anyway. But the fact that they are spelled out in the measure itself makes such obstructive efforts far more likely to gain the sympathy of the courts.
I'm not a lawyer, but I have worked with plenty of govt programs and contracts, and believe me nobody hauls out a dictionary to interpret the law in these kinds of cases. We could only wish that were true.
Of course I agree with the idea of better judges, but that begs the question and does not address the problem.
Everything you said is true and I ain't got my tongue in my cheek. :)
Immediately before the final vote yesterday, conservatives suffered what they viewed as one final insult. Buried in a 125-page last-minute amendment was a requirement that local, state and federal officials in the U.S. consult with their Mexican counterparts before they can start building the fence.
Not if we do our jobs. They only are two votes..we may have a few more. Christopher Sheys has figured that out.
The man who wants to run for prez LOL
Thank you President Bush and Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) for campaigning so hard for Specter in the '04 GOP primary in PA
whatever happened to Arlen's beloved "separation of powers?'..imagine...the Congress telling the Executive what to do..
It will when Rove and Bush apply appropriate pressure
Folks, this is not so bad. It depends on how the administration interprets the word "consults". I would have expected any administration to consult with Mexico before building significant sections of wall. It is part of being a good neighbor, whether they are or not.
Remember that "consult" does NOT mean "ask for permission".
Valid point..I was trying for a little facteiousness in my comment..
Valid point..I was trying for a little facteiousness in my comment..
Specter is one influential dude. Has everyone snowed. I was in his office in DC a couple weeks ago, lobbying to remove the H-1b visa (high skill immigration) provision off the low-skill immigration bill that it is. He was too important to meet with our group of course, so we met with one of his senior aides.
In his office must be approx 50 photos of him with everyone that is anyone. The Queen. Every President since Eisenhower. John Wayne. One of the Sopranos or Tenors. etc etc. Must have everyone snowed. Disgusting.
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