That stuff simply is not millions of years old.
Posted on 05/25/2006 4:58:18 PM PDT by peyton randolph
Dracorex hogwartsia is Tribute to J. K. Rowling Series
HARRISBURG – Visitors to the State Museum can get a taste of Harry Potter and brush with prehistoric America with a newly discovered dinosaur species that got its name thanks to the help of a Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission paleontologist.
PHMC paleontologist Robert M. Sullivan helped world-renowned paleontologist Robert T. Bakker come up with the name Dracorex hogwartsia in honor of the fictional “Hogwarts Academy” from the popular books and films based on Harry Potter’s adventures by British author J. K. Rowling. The scientific name Dracorex hogwartsia means “dragon king.”
A cast of the skull of the dragon-like, spiked-headed dinosaur found in South Dakota in 2003 is on display at The State Museum of Pennsylvania starting today.
“The naming of Dracorex hogwartsia is easily the most unexpected honor to have come my way since the publication of the Harry Potter books,” Rowling said.
“Having the skull replica in the State Museum will capture children’s imaginations and encourage them to learn more about the dinosaurs that walked the earth millions-of-years ago,” said PHMC Executive Director Barbara Franco.
The 66-million-year-old reptile is a pachycephalosaurid dinosaur whose skull is covered with knobs and spikes. This species of plant-eating dinosaurs lived in Asia and North America during the late Cretaceous Period, 96 to 65 million years ago.
A paper by Sullivan and Bakker on the find was released today in the New Mexico Museum of Natural History Bulletin. Sullivan, Bakker, et al., could name the dino because they did the research and wrote the scientific paper about the discovery. The unveiling of the original dinosaur skull takes place today at the Children’s Museum of Indianapolis.
Sullivan, senior curator of paleontology at the State Museum, was amazed by the condition of the skull. “It is truly a magnificent specimen that is rarely found in such a complete state,” he said.
The Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission is the official history agency of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
"dragon-like, spiked-headed"..........
....sounds like your ex-girlfriend.
Crevoter thread... Creation/Evolution/Potter, all wrapped up in one. I need to copyright that term. Now, where is my popcorn. *snicker*
Ah. Guess I'll ping PH. Let's see if he's interested in it.
* PING *
Cool!
And it's right in my neighborhood!
I am always amazed at the number of different dinosaurs that once roamed the earth...the variety is so amazing, and I expect as more and more exploration around the world is done, we will be finding more and more different dinosaurs...
yes it does.
Actually he would probably be thrilled that the scientific community decided equate a dinosaur with a dragon.
They did fill a huge chunk of the ecological niches now filled by modern mammals and birds...
Indeed they did...my question to the creationists tho, is this...for those of them, that actually believe that Noah took all those baby dinosaurs on board the Ark, do they actually believe Noah took two of each variety, which explains the variety we see today, or do they maintain, that the Noah took only two main dinosaurs, and that they bred such great variety in just a few thousand years?
If one read any book about fossils, and sees the absolute great variety among dinosaurs, based on fossil skeletons, how does one explain this great variety...I would truly be interested in seeing this explained from a strictly creationist viewpoint, a 6 day creation time frame, from just 6000 yrs ago...
When I was a kid and first started getting wrapped up in paleozoology there were only about 300 known species of dinosaurs. Now there are more than a thousand and more are being discovered every year. The biggest finds are being done in Patagonia and North Africa.
Wow...I knew the numbers of varieties of dinosaurs was huge, but I did not realize it was that big...
There are many more places in the world being opened to exploration, for both living species of animals, and in time, more fossils...I take note of Laos and Tibet, where new species of living animals have been found in the last few years...how long before more expeditions go there, in quest of newer fossils...as more and more countries open up to scientific exploration, I believe we will truly be amazed at what we find...
You've got to remember the dinosaurs were around for more than 140 million years. That's more than twice as long as they've been gone (65 million years), and look at the diversity of life that has grown up to fill their ecological niches. Mammals were small and relatively few in number in the age of the dinosaurs. Even after the dinosaurs shuffled off this mortal coil it took a while for mammals to find their footing -- birds actually dominated the world for a couple of million years. All the mammal life you see around you is only the result of about 50 million years of evolution. And the mammal life we see today barely holds a candle to the massive mammalian megafauna that lived at one time -- the largest mammal (Indricotherium) rivaled the dinos in size at 20 tonnes and six meters at the shoulders.
Here's some reading material for you. :)
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/dinos_on_ark.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/animals.asp
...and some bonus material...
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/2.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dinosaurs.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp
I had to look up that Indricotherium...what a monster...thanks for mentioning that...it was great reading...
Answers in Genesis, Huh?...these articles better be good, and not a waste of time, as the last bunch of articles from AIG were, that were recommended to me by someone else on these threads...
I will eventually read these articles, tho I am not optimistic, as I have read a number of things from AIG and have found them, well poor...nonetheless, I will read these articles(tho not tonite), and see what I think...
I take it that you found them poor as in...conflicting with what you've been taught in the public education system/college. :)
I too, at one time, fell for the "evolution" stories but after years of research on my own I've come to the conclusion that evolution isn't a proven scientific fact.
Evolution doesn't explain simple things...such as...
* Of all the insects and animals how did the male and female of each species develop at the same time in the exact same place in order to propagate? On top of that, if the first gereration of a mating species didn't have parents how did they come into existence?
* I'd really be impressed of anyone could explain how by way of evolution the very first animal survived while it's heart, brain, blood, veins, and so on...were all developed in slow tiny steps over time.
* How did life develop from absolutely nothing or better yet...how did all of the insects, animals and us Humans all come from a puddle amino acids?
* OH...and my personal favorite question that love I ask evolutionists...Where are the millions, billions or trillions of fossils of such transitional forms?
:)
That stuff simply is not millions of years old.
You think Doc Dino is upset, think about this guy!
Thus, dinosaurs lived within the past few thousand years.
BUAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHHAHAHAHHA!
That is one of the funniest things I ever read. I think it is great you have a site that is like a religious "The Onion."
Dinosaurs a few thousand years!! Priceless!
Thanks for the parody site. Pretty funny.
Still trying to market your anti-evolution website here? Evolution is impossible? ROTFLMAO.
WWFSMD?
Take a look at the picture.
"Take a look at the picture."
That's not even close to being raw meat.
LOL Well, I guess even scientists have to read for pleasure occasionally.
Hmmm. . .so you only define as a 'creationist' those who believe in a 6 earth day creation and that the earth was made 6,000 years ago? If that's your criteria, I guess I don't fit it.
But if your criteria is more open, e.g. anyone who believes God created everything, then my explanation is simply that God is quite creative.
LOL I'm sure that's going to get some smartassed responses. Fire away.
It is rather unfortunate that you make grand assumptions about anyone that you know nothing about...you assume I got a public education...perhaps I did, perhaps I did not...you cannot possibly know, now can you...I went to schoold during the 1950s and 1960s...public school or private school is something you dont know...and so what of it?...can a person learn and read things outside of what they might have learned in the any school system, regardless of when they went there, and what they learned there?...well, of course they can, anyone can at anytime, learn anything they wish to, if they are motivated enough...and I have always been one to want to learn more and more things, and have pursued it...so you assumptions are worthless...assuming anything about anyone you dont know, is just really a worthless and stupid way to go about things...this is not a comment about you personally, its just about how I feel about folks assuming anything, your smiley notwithstanding...
I have found the things in AIG poor, from the standpoint of the few articles I have read there, and compared them to many other articles on the same subjects, written by folks on all sides....
Your research has led you one way, my research has led me in another direction....so?...we disagree, its just as simple as that...
Some of your questions show a lack of knowledge about a good many things...for instance, you want to address how life developed from non-life...ah, the same, old, tired question...you want evolution to answer a question it never addresses...and that is a fact...evolution talks only about life, once there is life....but you want to draw people into discussing how life came from non-life...if you are as you claim, that you once fell for the evolution story, you would of course know this...evolution does NOT address how life came from non-life....anyone who supports evolution knows this...why is it that you do not?...how life came from non life is a whole different area of study, it is not the area of study for evolution...
There are tons and tons of fossil remains....remarkable in that, circumstances must be exactly right for fossil to form...its quite mind boggling that we actually do have as many fossils we do have..transitional fossils?...whenever one is introduced your side will say its not a 'true' transitional fossil, whatever that term 'true' may mean to you...there is always some reason or another why a particular fossil does not exactly fill the role of being a 'transitional'...so there you have it...you complain there are no transitionals...when possible transitionals are found, your side protests...so damned if a transitional is found, damned if none are found...
I will leave your other questions to those, better versed in biology and evolution to answer you...they may even have some links to articles which will explain...that is, if you are willing to read them and learn...
Unlike others, I usually read most links provided on these threads, whether from evolutionists, or creationists, or IDers...rest assured I will read the links you provided from AIG...normally the remarks from Creationists, or IDers when provided with links is a whine, that the link provided goes to too long an article, or they dont have time to read such long articles...will you read links that others may provide, even if they come from evolutionists..if you do, you will be among the first...
In any case, I will take this weekend, to read your links, and comment later....as I said, I have been referred to AIG links, and found those articles, while viewed in comparison with other articles dealing with the same subject, to be quite poor...but I will hold an open mind, and see what AIG offers...
To me it's raw meat. I've seen three week old roadkill which looked worse.
First off, do you assume I have no belief in God?...if so, you make the same mistake as so many others, that those who support evolution, cannot have a belief in God...many folks who do support evolution as opposed to strict creationism, do have a firm belief in God, and profess a love for and personal relationship with Christ...but then, that is a discussion for another thread, I suppose...I describe creationists, that is literal creationists, as those who see creation of life occurring in 6days, some 6-10 thousand years ago, directly by the hand of God and all life being created as fully functioning adults....and created then, as they exist today...that is usually a self-defining way that many creationists on these threads present themselves...
Should you a hold with a different definition, you will of course, correct me...
Many who support evolution, see it as Gods way of creating...and have no problem supporting evolution, while still having a love for and belief in God, and a love for and a belief in Jesus Christ...
There are millions who hold to this belief, and millions who do not...no flaming needed, just a difference of opinion...I tend not to give smartass responses...at least I try not to..
"To me it's raw meat."
No doubt. Nonetheless, it is not even close to being like raw meat. It was hard until it was treated chemically. The amount of *soft tissue* that resulted was about 3 mm in diameter.
"I've seen three week old roadkill which looked worse."
Not likely.
Face it; if that stuff were tens of millions of years old it would be petrified.
"Face it; if that stuff were tens of millions of years old it would be petrified."
Most of it was. All of it was hard; it had to be treated with chemicals to *soften* it. The amount *softened* was about 3 mm in diameter. There was no DNA found, no intact cells. It was nothing at all like raw meat. Nothing.
Some of your questions show a lack of knowledge about a good many things...for instance, you want to address how life developed from non-life...ah, the same, old, tired question...you want evolution to answer a question it never addresses...and that is a fact...evolution talks only about life, once there is life....but you want to draw people into discussing how life came from non-life...if you are as you claim, that you once fell for the evolution story, you would of course know this...evolution does NOT address how life came from non-life....anyone who supports evolution knows this...why is it that you do not?...how life came from non life is a whole different area of study, it is not the area of study for evolution...
True, evolution doesn't directly deal with life from non-life but it does make one wonder how cells could "evolve" to produce more complex entities such as a plant or animal. Another ridiculous theory does try to explain life from non-life. Abiogensis, is one of many theories that grapples with the task of explaining life from non-life. Anyway, I'll hold off on the rest of this discussion until a later date when I'm sure the topic of evolution will come up again.
Discussions such as ours are very beneficial for all sides, I thank you for taking the time compose a thoughtful reply. :)
God bless!
Thank you for your reply....indeed, discussions such as this can be informative...both sides can give their views, and if the each side gives consideration to what is said, then often things can be learned...each side can learn from the other sides, if we just listen...
Too often tho, people dont actually listen to other people of differing views...I like to see all views, compare them, analyze them, and then eventually come to a conclusion of what I think is true...
Again, thanks for your reply...
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