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Stricter Seat Belt Law Goes Into Effect In Mississippi (Good Law or Just Big Brother)
WREG ^ | 5-26-06 | Melissa Moon

Posted on 05/26/2006 9:23:51 AM PDT by WKB

Southaven - Not wearing a seatbelt will soon be enough to get you pulled over by police or state troopers in Mississippi. Saturday the state's new primary offense seat belt law goes into effect.

Right now the Mississippi has a secondary offense seat belt law. That means officers need another reason, like speeding, to pull you over. It's only after you pulled over that officers are allowed to ticket you for not buckling up.

Law enforcement officers can also pull a driver over if they notice that his front seat passenger or anyone in the vehicle is not wearing a seat belt.

Law enforcement officers throughout the mid south plan to beef up their patrols over the long holiday weekend. Troopers in Mississippi plan to set up road blocks in several parts of the state to check for seat belt use.

Mississippi is the 23rd state where officers can pull over a driver for not wear a seat belt. Tennessee passed a primary seat belt law back in 2004.

The new law in Mississippi carries a maximum fine of 25 dollars per vehicle.


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The new law in Mississippi carries a maximum fine of 25 dollars per vehicle.

Annette M. Jordan, 4213 Will O'Run Drive, Jackson - Improper parking (handicap), $200.50 fine.

- Peggy D. Ratcliff, 3008 Smith Town Road, Lot 1, Tylertown - Improper parking (handicap), $200.50 fine.

Kafaren L. Fairley, 203 Ann St., Collins - Improper parking (handicap), $200.50 fine, warrant ordered, failure to pay.

1 posted on 05/26/2006 9:23:53 AM PDT by WKB
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To: kmomma; MissyPrissy; Hawthorn; penelopesire; mrsmel; ToddBush; gbaker; realmagnolia; cdbear; ...

If they really meant business the fine would
be more than $25.00. PING


2 posted on 05/26/2006 9:25:06 AM PDT by WKB (D.L. Moody "The Bible was not written for your information, but for your transformation")
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To: WKB

While I am a big believer in seat belt use, I'm very against these laws, because they are glittering examples of incrementalism.

Michigan lawmakers made the same assurances many years ago -- that this would be a secondary offense only, and that you couldn't be stopped simply for not wearing a seat beld.

Guess how long that lasted? If it says (D) or (R) after their names, they can't be trusted.


3 posted on 05/26/2006 9:27:21 AM PDT by DJ Frisat (Tired of being called intolerant by the truly intolerant...)
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To: WKB

Proabably so. Still, I saw 5 different people pulled over between Vicksburg and Jackson this morning. Ususally I don't see any. Probably Memorial Day action but it made me wonder.

I doubt things will change much.


4 posted on 05/26/2006 9:29:38 AM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: WKB

We have that law here in Maryland, It started with just being able to charge you when they made a traffic stop for another violation, then they mde it a primary law. Every spring abut this time they will go into seat belt mode. They will sit up traffic stops where they stop everyone and ticket non-belt wearers, they also set up at intersections and nail you there, Its all part of making a few bucks off people who dont like the damned things.


5 posted on 05/26/2006 9:32:55 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: WKB
Every state that convinces the people to accept a secondary seat-belt law, will inherently make it a primary seat-belt law in time. The original intent.

Welcome to the "You don't have your seat-belt on, so I'm going to search your vehicle now!" Mississippi.

6 posted on 05/26/2006 9:35:57 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: WKB

Just the Government looking out for us idiots, everyone knows were too stupid to make the right choices dontcha know?


7 posted on 05/26/2006 9:37:09 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: L98Fiero

I figure it will last about 2 weeks
and back to normal.
That would be if the (she) Trooper is suffering from
PMS or
the (He) trooper's wife found out about his girlfriend.


8 posted on 05/26/2006 9:37:12 AM PDT by WKB (D.L. Moody "The Bible was not written for your information, but for your transformation")
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To: WKB
People that don't wear seat belts and have accidents will make their misery your misery in some way or another.

If they could just hurt or kill themselves without putting extra demands on society, I wouldn't care. But that's not the case. They create all kinds of difficulties for people beyond themselves.

With that in mind, I think this is a good law.
9 posted on 05/26/2006 9:39:07 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: DJ Frisat
While I am a big believer in seat belt use, I'm very against these laws, because they are glittering examples of incrementalism.
Michigan lawmakers made the same assurances many years ago -- that this would be a secondary offense only, and that you couldn't be stopped simply for not wearing a seat beld.
Guess how long that lasted? If it says (D) or (R) after their names, they can't be trusted.

Agreed (my life was saved by a sealtbelt once). But we've seen the incrementalism here in WA.

25 years ago the signs read "Buckle Up: We Love You". (yeah, right)

Years later, the signs read, "Buckle Up: It's the law". (secondary offense)

Now the signs read: "Click It or Ticket." Primary offense, which they assured us would never happen.

Liars.

10 posted on 05/26/2006 9:41:07 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0urs)
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To: WKB
Mississippi is the 23rd state where officers can pull over a driver for not wear a seat belt. Tennessee passed a primary seat belt law back in 2004.

Just the other day,the Massachusetts legislature (much to the surprise of many) killed a "primary" seat belt law.

Given that cops are nothing more than armed tax collectors in this state,that was very good news.

11 posted on 05/26/2006 9:42:34 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: mc6809e

With that in mind, I think this is a good law.


I to agree with you BUT
My point is parking in a handicap zone
carries a fine from $100 to $200.
No seat belt =$25.00
The state appears to be serious about not
parking in a handicap zone which very seldom
causes death and destruction.
So why not do the same with the deadly seat belt.


12 posted on 05/26/2006 9:43:30 AM PDT by WKB (D.L. Moody "The Bible was not written for your information, but for your transformation")
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To: WKB

These states AND the Federal Government and their laws can go to hell.

When they start enforcing existing laws against Illegal Aliens, then I'll be concerned about their feel good nanny laws for seat belt use.

Damn them, damn every last politician in this country.


13 posted on 05/26/2006 9:43:37 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: WKB
Annette M. Jordan, 4213 Will O'Run Drive, Jackson - Improper parking (handicap), $200.50 fine.

Parking in a handicap spot WITH a sticker or rear view hanger when not actually handicapped should be a $10,000 fine.

14 posted on 05/26/2006 9:46:05 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: mc6809e
"With that in mind, I think this is a good law."

I disagree, by that reasoning we shouldn't allow people to engage in dangerous activity either.

Let's start by outlawing mountain biking, sking, skydiving and scuba diving (Etc)

Why stop there? let's outlaw soap in the shower, that's too dangerous!!

We might all smell like the French but we'll live longer.

15 posted on 05/26/2006 9:46:31 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: WKB

Here in Illinois, it's seat belt week.

They have cops standing at stop signs & stop lights, looking into cars.
Pulling ya over right there to write a no seat-belt wearing ticket.
If they spot ya and the light is green, they radio their buddies sitting in patrol cars every so many feet and they get ya that way.


16 posted on 05/26/2006 9:48:35 AM PDT by stylin19a (There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't)
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To: WKB
If they really meant business the fine would be more than $25.00. PING

Wait until the next legislative session.
17 posted on 05/26/2006 9:50:42 AM PDT by somniferum
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To: DJ Frisat

I understand your reasoning, but I think I am for seat belt laws for this reason.

If there are no seat belt laws and for some reason you are in an accident with another car, and it is your fault. If the other person is not wearing a seat belt and dies, I would be worried about being sued or going to jail for manslaughter.

By having the laws on the books, then I wouldn't be worried about that if the other passenger was wearing their belt.


18 posted on 05/26/2006 9:53:09 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: #1CTYankee

I think people engaged in those kinds of activities cannot be killed or injured by another person.

The problem with seat belts is that if someone is not wearing them, they can be hurt by someon else (and then they can sue).


19 posted on 05/26/2006 9:56:00 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: somniferum
Wait until the next legislative session.


You're probably right
20 posted on 05/26/2006 9:57:07 AM PDT by WKB (D.L. Moody "The Bible was not written for your information, but for your transformation")
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To: sionnsar
25 years ago the signs read "Buckle Up: We Love You". (yeah, right)

Years later, the signs read, "Buckle Up: It's the law". (secondary offense)

Now the signs read: "Click It or Ticket." Primary offense, which they assured us would never happen.

In 15 years, the signs will read: "Buckle Up Or We Will Kill You."

21 posted on 05/26/2006 10:06:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If a woman gives birth in Indiana, is she a Hoosier Mama?)
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To: WKB
I'm not sure about how it actually works in Mississippi, but in most States the fine of $25 is a trivial part of what people actually have to pay when cited.

In many states the fees associated with any citation can run $100 or more before the actual fine is added on top.

22 posted on 05/26/2006 10:07:00 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: eyedigress
"Welcome to the "You don't have your seat-belt on, so I'm going to search your vehicle now!" Mississippi."

Yup, just another lure in their tackle box to go fishing with. One of these day's they'll figure out a way to skip all this foreplay and just search everyone and anyone they want to.
23 posted on 05/26/2006 10:07:28 AM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: WKB

Good for revenue and fishing expeditions, bad for freedom.


24 posted on 05/26/2006 10:09:02 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: WKB

"Not wearing a seatbelt will soon be enough to get you pulled over by police or state troopers in Mississippi."


I am absolutely opposed to this nonsense. It's not just my reliance on the 4th Amend, though. When I moved to CT they were pulling over people for no seat-belt. I scoffed and said that was appalling (this was before such laws were prevalent), and even MD didn't go THAT far - only citing you if they stopped you for (REAL more public) violations. Alas, right after I moved back to MD, it DID go that far.

....
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons,....against UNREASONABLE searches and seizures, SHALL NOT BE VIOLATED...."


http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams052406.asp


25 posted on 05/26/2006 10:14:22 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

The Bill of Rights is sooooo September Tenth.


26 posted on 05/26/2006 10:16:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If a woman gives birth in Indiana, is she a Hoosier Mama?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

"Massachusetts legislature (much to the surprise of many) killed a "primary" seat belt law"

You have GOT to be kidding me! This is shocking in so many ways....commie MA DELETING a law?

Naaahhh.....what was it REPLACED with?


27 posted on 05/26/2006 10:17:46 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: rattrap

Quote "Good for revenue and fishing expeditions, bad for freedom."

Yeah but my premium goes up when you decide to exercise your right not to wear your seatbelt. Statistics show that seatbelts save lives.


28 posted on 05/26/2006 10:18:45 AM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: WKB
And we were always told that just not wearing a seatbelt would not be a reason for a stop.

Yeh, right, it's just the nanny state.

29 posted on 05/26/2006 10:20:40 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: WKB

I got into the habit of wearing my seatbelt when I learned to drive 37 years ago. From the time our kids were little, they knew that the car did not start until everyone had their belts buckled. It's not an imposition, and it is something that WILL protect you as a driver both wearing your own, and with all the other passengers wearing theirs so they don't become dangerous flying objects in the car if you are in an accident.


30 posted on 05/26/2006 10:21:33 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: mc6809e
"If they could just hurt or kill themselves without putting extra demands on society, I wouldn't care. But that's not the case. They create all kinds of difficulties for people beyond themselves. "

This is how the ruling class works. First they write laws that make us responsible for someone else's stupid actions then they write another law which they claim is needed because "if a person gets hurt because they did or did not do xyz then society is responsible."

This is life in American thanks to lawyers and lawyers who become law makers. They squeeze us between two laws on most every issue.

How about we make these nanny laws simple. If you don't do xyz then your insurance company and the American taxpayer are off the hook.

As a former race car driver I never start the car before the belt is on but is annoys me to no end that I am forced by the nanny state to buckle up.

31 posted on 05/26/2006 10:22:26 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: WKB
I disagree with these laws. I don't think the government should be forcing adults to wear seat belts.

On the other hand I do see the need for officers to be authorized to pull over cars when they see someone with a small child riding on their lap. However, that is to protect children from the stupidity of adults not to protect adults from their own stupidity.

Here in Ohio it's a secondary offense. Police cannot pull you over for simply not wearing your seat belt.

However, you wouldn't know that from the purposefully misleading radio and television advertisements we are get almost hourly on just about every station. Advertisements that are being paid for by the federal Department of Transportation with our tax dollars.

Trying to keep people safe is reasonably noble cause. However, the federal government is purposefully misleading to people about their state laws, and intentionally misleading them about how they are protected from government intrusion.

Click it or Ticket should be immediately discontinued, and the people responsible fired.

After that, the merits of an honest advertising campaign can be considered by those that replace them, if they are replaced.

32 posted on 05/26/2006 10:24:43 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: mc6809e

"If they could just hurt or kill themselves without putting extra demands on society, I wouldn't care. But that's not the case. They create all kinds of difficulties for people beyond themselves."


I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about, but I have an inkling.

In any case, this is circular reasoning. Then 1 could start making violations for every single every-day thing you do that isn't "perfectly" safety-concious (never mind other aspects).

"Because it ....somehow....indirectly.....4th party....affects others...."

BS. I worry about DIRECT effects. Screw the indirect consequences. EVERYTHING has indirect trickle-down consequences, and some of THOSE are "bad" from doing "good"!

Where does it end?


33 posted on 05/26/2006 10:25:45 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: WKB

Big Brother. We just had the same happen in Alaska. Government trying to protect me from myself. I'm in my civil disobedience mode right now.


34 posted on 05/26/2006 10:25:49 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: lndrvr1972

THEN GET RID OF THE MANDATE ON INSURANCE. Which is also a violation of natural law.


35 posted on 05/26/2006 10:26:29 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: lndrvr1972

I wear my seatbelt every time I get in the car, so don't blame your premiums on me.


36 posted on 05/26/2006 10:29:16 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: SuziQ
I got into the habit of wearing my seatbelt when I learned to drive 37 years ago.

I got my license 36 years ago. The only thing the examiner dinged me on was failure to wear a seat belt. We didn't have them in my home town and the thought of using one never even occured to me. Even today I rarely use one.

37 posted on 05/26/2006 10:30:02 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: Wurlitzer

Ultimately we need 2 reforms in the US that would make so much of this weeping and gnashing moot:

a) No income tax

b) Loser-pays court system


38 posted on 05/26/2006 10:30:06 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: mc6809e

Seat belts don't prevent collisions.

Crash clean-up cost and a pine box in Potter's Field is a lot cheaper than weeks in intensive care.

Seat belts may save lives but they don't prevent injuries.


39 posted on 05/26/2006 10:30:51 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: sionnsar

How do you know the seat belt saved your life?


40 posted on 05/26/2006 10:31:35 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: WKB

I really hate this "Click-it or Ticket" campaign. I always wear a seatbelt - I just hate being threatened by Big Brother. Maybe if they threatened all the illegals pouring over the border like they do their own citizens they'd stay home.


41 posted on 05/26/2006 10:32:02 AM PDT by Smittie
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Exactly how I feel Leatherneck.


42 posted on 05/26/2006 10:32:34 AM PDT by quack
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To: WKB
Seat belts DO save lives. I wish people would realize this. Having big brother dictate this through laws sucks.
43 posted on 05/26/2006 10:32:55 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: AlaskaErik

I don't either. I only tend to put them on for long travel, and/or bad weather. You know, when the risk actually goes UP and isn't just .0006%.

The benefit of being able to wheel about and look at what's going on behind you is worth the "cost" of not having a belt on. (I actually LOOK behind me; I don't use just MIRRORS like the idiots who amble into my path thanks to their blind spot. Boy does that peeve me!)


44 posted on 05/26/2006 10:33:12 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Smittie

Good point.

I think it's frustration, almost -

"we can't catch (and KEEP) the real criminals, so we'll pick on the Joe Schmoes so we can get money and feel useful".


45 posted on 05/26/2006 10:35:06 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Protagoras

Another stupid law; that have to install handicapped spaces in the local gym parking lot.

If they were serious about fitness and the war on fat they should build a series of touch towers within 2 miles of every residence and have a detector that calls home every time a resident swipes his I.D. card through a reader on the tower pole.

By the time the residents have walked or run down to the pole and back, they will be too tired to get in their car and look for the closest parking spot at the local ice cream parlor.


46 posted on 05/26/2006 10:36:28 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Damn them, damn every last politician in this country.

bttt

47 posted on 05/26/2006 10:39:40 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: luckystarmom

That makes as much sense as that disclaimer on the new birth control pill that cautions users that taking the pill will not prevent the risk of catching AIDS or other STDs.


48 posted on 05/26/2006 10:39:54 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer
I see phony "handicapped" people parking at the free spots at the train station everyday. I think they should be horsewhipped. (along with the a$$holes who made the law that created those spots.)
49 posted on 05/26/2006 10:42:13 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: WKB
Good idea; bad law.

Good Law or Just Big Brother

50 posted on 05/26/2006 10:43:10 AM PDT by DManA
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