[Rush] "Immigration" Bill Is an Attempt to Expand the Federal Government and Kill Conservatism

Rush Limbaugh ^ | 5/26/2006 | Rush

[Patrick1]

A few other thoughts on this. Jumpin Jim Jeffords isn't running for re-election and the House can't filibuster anything, just sh**t can it.

Rush supports President Bush as do I on the most important issue of the day. The War Against Islamo Fascism. Bush's position on immigration is unfortunately the same as the great Ronald Reagan and no one can possibly believe Ronald Reagan was not conservative. For his conservative credentials look at a world map in 1980 and then look at another one in 1991.

So as conservatives we need to grow up a little. First off we should avoid at all costs the Paleo-Con position of the Pat Buchanans of the movement. This is the road to marginalization and defeat. As is the Frist/McCain big business butt kissing and pandering to the MSM to be seen as enlightened.

To me there is a middle ground that can be found mostly in the House but also in the Senate. You address this issue I think nationally with two words security and assimilation. The "wall" is a must but so is allowing immigrants into the United States not just from Mexico but from all over the world. A set number per year with assimilation being the goal.

As for those here now you do the Mike Pense plan of encouraging them to deport themselves. You stop the transferring of funds from here to Mexico. Anyone who is using government taxpayer funded services, i.e. public schools. Must first prove their citizenship, if they can't then adios.

There are numerous examples and methods that can't possibly be placed on here. But you address this issue with two hands as we did in fighting the Cold War. On the one hand you welcome people who want to be Americans making it as easy as possible for them to do so. On the other hand you enforce the law, make life hell for current illegals and especially for the people who hire them. You put a wall on the border and make it as close to impossible as you can to sneak into the country and you do whatever is necessary to fix Mexico.

One last thing. Does Mike DeWine of Ohio really not want to be a Senator anymore?

[Defiant]

You are welcome. The parallels are interesting, aren't they?

[Defiant]

Rush supports President Bush as do I on the most important issue of the day. The War Against Islamo Fascism. Bush's position on immigration is unfortunately the same as the great Ronald Reagan and no one can possibly believe Ronald Reagan was not conservative. For his conservative credentials look at a world map in 1980 and then look at another one in 1991.

I think one of the things that needs to be clarified is Reagan's position on the last immigration reform bill in 1986. Reagan did not support it. Reagan went along with it, reluctantly, after Alan Simpson of Wyoming pushed for it for about 4 or 5 years. I was working in the Senate in the 80s, and when it first came up, around 1982 or so, Reagan said hell no. Every year, Simpson pushed it, and got it a little farther, and by the time he finally got it through both houses, Reagan finally said ok. He didn't like the idea of amnesty; it was against his principles. He went along in an election year because Simpson really pushed for it and he had a lot of influence, and because he truly believed that with employer sanctions, it would be a one time deal.

That was how it was sold, and that was what it was supposed to be. I think if Reagan had remained as President, he would have enforced the law, and the 1986 law might actually have worked as anticipated. The problems we have had since then have been due to other Presidents shirking their duty and their oaths of office, not necessarily problems with the law.

Anyway, Reagan didn't come up with a plan to give amnesty to illegals. He went along with one, reluctantly, and would recognize today, if he could, that it was one of his few mistakes.

[Defiant]

This week when quoting Mcain, Rush mention Savage as "some guy named Savage"

It's probably because Savage is not worth debating with or about. He's an act, not a serious commentator.

[mississippi red-neck]

Rush] "Immigration" Bill Is an Attempt to Expand the Federal Government and Kill Conservatism

Believe me, folks, this is not an immigration bill, and it never was.

Finally .But like most of us too late. He's almost got it but he needs to move up a step.

It's not about killing conservatism although it does that also, it's about killing America as we know it.

It's about killing the main obstacles that has been standing in the way of the Corporate Business Globalists.

The super rich and their quest for a Global government world run by and for their benefit.

The one thing that has stood in their way and that they have been whittling away at for years is the United States with it's Constitutional form of Government.

If you look at the last two Presidential elections you will see that our country was divided almost evenly and this is what they have been waiting and working for.

Do not look at the country being divided between Democrats and Republicans or liberals and conservatives or you won't see what is about to happen.

One group is the people who love this country it's Constitution and the way it was intended to be by our founding fathers.

A nation of independent,self-reliant people with very limited government.

The other side are the socialist who hate this government, and the responsibilities and insecurity that are a part of being a free people.

They do not care about the country and they want a government that is a nanny state that will take care of them and take away all those hard decisions.

Thats where we are at now 50/50. Those who want it to be what it was founded to be and those who only want it for what they can get out of it.

The reason Bush and the Commercial Globalists are going all out now to get this bill through is because the time is perfect.

They can flood this country with millions of new voters that do not care about, or have any loyalties to the United States.

Most do probably do not have any understanding of what is taking place and maybe even if they did they hate the U.S. as it stands [if you looked at those protesters]and will join those 50% of the useful idiots who see the Government and politicians as their savior and already want a world run by what they think will be some U.N.type government.

Bush is not a conservative. But he is a Globalist[like dad] and elitist [like mom]

The reason this seems so strange, senseless and out of character for Bush or the other Republican Conservatives is because it is out of character for anyone who loves this country the way it is supposed to be and is a conservative.

There is a large and powerful outside force that's applying the pressure for this to pass.

You can bet they are not conservative and they have their interest at heart and not yours mine or the country's.

The strong conservatives leaders have been quietly eliminated through the past years and this is why the Republican Party has not come to their aid.

Delay was one of the last and now Hastert has started looking over his shoulder in the last few weeks.

It is not just the Republicans but the leaders of both parties have been under the control of these rich special interests for many years working and biding their time.

Presidents of both parties have pushed these trade agreements and both want this bill to pass but they say for different reasons.

The Globalists know the time is now and they know they will only get one shot at it.

They know if this bill passes it will change the voting demographics so much that later elections and which party wins won't matter to them as far as their Global agenda is concerned

There will never be enough of us patriot voters, even when we do wake up, who love our country to take it back at the poles as it will be gone too far.

We have been watching the wrong war.

This is much too long. Sorry. I hope I'm wrong.

[Plutarch]

How much longer are FReepers going to continue supporting Bush and the Senate after this bill?

The FROBL is a slippery lot. You won't find a one stating: "I support the Senate bill, and this is why".

Instead it is just carping about "Bushaters", and "Border Hysterics", etc. They hide behind GWB's skirts, proclaiming their undying support for the President, but if Bush turned against illegals, the FROBL would turn on Bush.

[La Enchiladita]

I hope you're wrong, too, but just about everything I've seen you post on FR is right.

Question: What do we tell the troops when they come "home" to the United North America? What do we tell the veterans? And what do we tell the souls of those who died fighting for freedom and the U.S.A.? ... when we have piece by piece surrendered those freedoms and now comes the final blow.

As Memorial Day approaches, these are the questions that hurt the most.

[La Enchiladita]

And, he knew when to be here for the victory.

[Colorado Buckeye]

Bush is figuratively screwing his party and the country.

What I don't understand is, WHY?

That's an easy one. All you need to understand is that Bush is a globalist first and an American second. When the interests of his friends and allies in pursuit of their global fantasy clash with the interests of Americans and America, Bush chooses the global interests.

It's all very simple. It's all about the dangerous and destructive pursuit of a fantasy. Once you understand this, Bush ceases to be a mystery.

[nonliberal]

There was ample evidence of Bush's liberalism while he was governor of Texas. Limbaugh ignored it.

[nonliberal]

Truthfully a guy like Forbes could have benefitted greatly from Limbaugh's attention. I voted for Buchanan, btw, because Bush wasn't a conservative. Forbes and PJB had more bona fide conservative credentials than Bush did.

[nonliberal]

He was (WAS).

I beg to differ. He NEVER was.

[nonliberal]

As I said in a previous response: Limbaugh ignored ample evidence of Bush's liberalism.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

Prepare yourself for speaker of the house Pelosi, and senate majority leader Reid.

This third party BS and non-vote protesting will lead this country into a far worse condition than all the "moderate" Republicans ever will.

(In other words, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it, and the disaster you helped create may torment you for the rest of your life.

[nonliberal]

The House is the only thing saving this country from becoming a third-world socialist toilet like Mexico or France.

[mississippi red-neck]

As Memorial Day approaches, these are the questions that hurt the most.

I know exactly what you mean. Not only what do we tell our troops but what do we tell the rest our children and grandchildren?

We can blame a lot of people for what has happened to our country but the ultimate responsibility lies with each of us, especially those of us who are older like myself who have been blessed to live in such a great country and should have been harder to fool.

[mississippi red-neck]

Very good Buckeye. MRN.

[TSchmereL]

Let me give you something more realistic, but optimistic, to think about.

As ironic as it may be, assuming the House holds firm on its tougher, close-the-border-first immigration bill, the Republicans might just lose the Senate but retain control of the House!

This is the exact opposite of what some Democrat pundits have been predicting might happen. They have all but written off the Senate, but many see opportunities in the House.

It is not an outcome I want to see, but considering public opinion regarding the "Amnesty Bill," and other factors, it is actually more likely.

The result of such an outcome would be a vitriolic Democrat majority in the Senate, unable to provide its base with the much hoped for impeachment proceedings against the President because such proceedings must begin in the House.

Then, after the Democrat Majority in the Senate has had about two years to make a holy, ass-clown show of itself, and the Democrats inevitably nominate the fatally flawed Hillary Clinton to run in 2008, we might have a real Conservative Republican Presidential candidate with popular coat tails broad enough to replace the RINO majority in the Senate with real Conservative Senators.

[demkicker]

You are being far too harsh on Rush. I've heard him rant on several occasions about illegal immigrants. I bet if he wanted to, Rush could probably fill up an entire program with past quips and coverage he's given the topic of illegal immigration. Lashing out at Rush is not only unfair but ridiculous.

Try to recognize Rush for what he is and be thankful he's educated our former old skulls full of mush. Thanks to Rush, we all quit drinking the red kooliade of the MSM (aka the Drive-by media). Remember, on a daily basis, Rush spreads the optimistic virtues of conservatism. I'm sure there have been hundreds of days that Rush was down and out about where our country is heading. Rush is a talented motivator of enlightenment of what is going on in our political world and he has no doubt had despondent moments like we all have.

He has to maneuver carefully. While Rush is a teller of truth, there are many mine fields he's got to be careful to avoid. It's been proven that the MSM, liberals and the moderate know nothings are either out to get Rush or jump on his negative bandwagon.

I'm convinced that if Rush acted like a Michael Savage and routinely blasted the President on a daily basis, the Bush defenders and the Rush haters would end up destroying him. Rush is brilliant. For years he has tap danced on the edge of the envelope by fertilizing conservatism and shedding its enlightening truth. All the while, he has grown his audience in the process.

Rush challenges us to think outside our immediate worlds. He presents evidence of political happenings, and summarizes them profoundly. When Rush weaves the evidence of today's truths and puts them in his captivating monologues we are better for it. His purpose isn't to be a politician, but to entertain and make us beg for more truths about the free will and choices we have between good and evil. In the process he motivates us to make a difference.

[davidosborne]