Maybe not, but it was clear as Hell for us in AZ what kind of man McCain was/is.
Posted on 05/26/2006 5:55:18 PM PDT by Pokey78
I'll support House conservatives and those few conservatives who are in the Senate, and try to find strategies for gaining a conservative majority in Congress and to put a conservative in the Executive. Sometimes that will necessitate working with non-conservative GOP party members on issues we agree on, such as taxes and judges and the WOT. Otherwise, we need to open our eyes to what is going on and figure out how to deal with it before we are swamped by an influx of voters that puts us back into the minority for good.
What we have in reality is America circa 1856. We had Whigs and Democrats and this new group called Republicans that is in the mix. The Whigs are in the middle, the moderates of their time. The Republicans, like Conservatives today, didn't want moderation on things on which there should not be compromise. They wanted an end to slavery. Within a few years, there was no whig party.
That same old GOP that replaced the whigs is now in danger of going the way of the whigs, by trying to be "dem-lite".
About your loose horse: If we can't enact policies to get 12 million invaders to remove themselves from our soil, then we do not deserve to survive another generation. That is a ridiculous claim that is made by the all-knowing elites, "well, we can't just deport 12 million people". BS. We can, we just don't want to, because Kofi Annan would say mean things about us. Besides, we don't have to deport most of them, we just need to take away their jobs and their benefits.
Those with no historical frame of reference fail to recall that it was only in recent decades that the US courts decreed that we have to give schooling and welfare and medical care to illegal aliens. Nowhere in the REAL constitution do we have to do these things, and a re-examination of the 9th Circus and other precedents on this issue may be called for. Get rid of all the magnets that allow Mexicans to bring whole families over the border and that will reduce the 12 million before we even have to start taking their jobs and deporting them.
You are right that we may not see mass deportations, but it is not because we lack the ability, only the will.
You have not seen in any of my posts that I suggested that we should vote for Dems or independents in place of Republicans. We do need a strategy for success, and that may at some point cause a divergence with Republican party goals. We shall see. In any event, there is nothing wrong with anger and disgust with Republicans who have allowed an immigration bill that effectively destroys the demographic composition of this nation.
Maybe not, but it was clear as Hell for us in AZ what kind of man McCain was/is.
No, I'm just glad to see you.
I'm also just as disgusted with moderate Republicans, i.e., all those who voted for this immigration bill, as Rush is. That includes McCain, Graham, this idiot Krystol, and, yes, even the saintly GW Bush, who we pray for on this site every day. I don't mind being in the company of Rush, even if it distresses a sinkspur.
Speaking of frogs, Dems don't make me as angry. They are just being Dems. Like the scorpion in the story, they can't help stinging the frog, after all, they are scorpions. But the Republican moderates should know better than to behave like scorpions.
And many of us ARE angry, and are thinking about what to do!
...'pretty good month?'....pretty good month?'!!!What is this prick talking about. Good for stabbing his base in the back? Good for selling out the future for every American under 30 years of age?.....Good for cowtowing to the will of the Mexican dictator?...Good for creating clarity that any resemblance of conservatism is ripped away from any governing body in Washington come next election?.....Kristol is pissing down our leg and telling us it is raining. Screw him.
Now if only he would make a visit to Iraq...
Now THAT's interesting phrasing....
Why not get a pit bull? That's what real men do when they can't figure out what to do.
I don't like the fact that we have so many illegals in this country and I blame both Bush and the current Republican party as they were the ones in charge. I consider the failure to enforce our borders to be an impeachable offense.
I also believe that the failure of the drug war has been on part to the failure to stop demand. The same parallel holds true here for immigration. Dry up the benefits, cut off the jobs, deny services and Christ Almighty, what moron came up with "Catch and Release" as a policy?
When I made the point about the deportations not happening it was implied that there is no national will to effect such an effort.
Gotcha.
"They can talk themselves into a frenzy about illegal immigration, of course. But on this issue, the Senate managed--contrary to the conventional wisdom of late April--easily to pass a sensible and comprehensive immigration reform bill. And House Republicans now show some signs of coming to realize that talk radio is not always the best source of policy guidance. Enough of them may come to realize that passing legislation they regard as flawed would be better than going home to the voters having achieved nothing. So Bush could have an immigration reform signing ceremony to look forward to in the fall."
The lack of logic and coherence to reality is insane.
It's not just talk radio, but Senators like Cornyn and Session and most of the real conservatives in the Senate who debunked and refuted the bogus claims here.
There is nothing 'comprehensive' about a bill
This, in REALITY, ws a special-interest giveaway to La Raza, immigration lawyers, and the cheap-labor lobby. It was neither compassionate, nor fair, nor did it do enough for the borders or for real immigration law enforcement.
Last, there is true insanity in saying a flawed bill is better than no bill. That is not conservative thinking, that is pure insane and overly political-marketing thinking.
There is no push from voters to legalize illegal immigrants. None.
Hey, I didn't vote for him...and I have had a lot of chances. He used to be my Representative in Congress.
Politicians are bastards. The lot of them. I've never met a succesful one that I'd invite to dinner.
Oh, and I've met a few.
" to continue to gripe about immigration."
Gack!
The WORST. BILL. EVER. ... just passed yesterday.
This is the legislative equivalent of Katrina and 9/11 rolled into one ... and you call it "griping" to point that out?
Please, sir, get a grip *and* a clue. The country is vastly *under-*reacting to the danger this awful and dangerous CIRA bill poses to the country. 60 million new immigrants in 20 years, illegal immigrants awarded not just amnesty, but citizen and the goodies of soc security benefit for constributions under fraudulent soc sec numbers; amnesty for their employers too.
"The horse is out of the barn folks. You will not see whole scale deportations of people."
Nobody is asking for that ... we are simply asking to pass HR4437 *NOW* and wait for the rest later.
"I am not pleased to find us in this situation but the repubs are going to have to find something to compromise on which is the ugly truth about politics."
Ah, yes, the JELLYFISH theory of Republicanism... we have to pass a Kennedy-and-liberal-special-interest-written bill, because we dont have the spine to stand up to the liberals. The Senate CIRA bill is no 'compromise', it is an extremist open-borders nightmare.
pathetic. pathetic. pathetic.
I did not care one hoot about immigration and actually supported "guest workers" until the last few weeks when I heard the details of McCain/Kennedy thanks to the Internet and people like Jeff Sessions. Pay attention to the details. If the American people pay attention they will never support the Senate bill.
You sound a lot like my Senator. Hey Lindsey, is that you?
Not entirely true. I'd invite Jeff Sessions to dinner (my new hero), and John Cornyn, Jon Kyl, Mike Pence, and a few others. They are the minority though.
Because you are a fine substitute, I already have you.
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