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Immigration Prospects Brightening
Powerlineblog ^ | 5/28/2006 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 05/28/2006 10:29:28 AM PDT by Jameison

The Washington Post reports this morning that prospects for the Senate's immigration package are dimming, due to House members' concerns about November's election:

Republican House members facing the toughest races this fall are overwhelmingly opposed to any deal that provides illegal immigrants a path to citizenship -- an election-year dynamic that significantly dims the prospects that President Bush will win the immigration compromise he is seeking, according to Republican lawmakers and leadership aides. Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) will not allow a vote on a House-Senate compromise that does not have the support of most GOP lawmakers or one that would undermine the reelection chances of his at-risk members, aides said. According to GOP lawmakers and strategists, about 75 percent of the 231 House Republicans are steadfastly opposed to the Senate bill or even a watered-down version of it.

The Post's article cites poll's that supposedly show strong support for the administration's plan, but, as one House member says, "they must not be polling anyone in [my] District."

(Excerpt) Read more at powerlineblog.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; elections; imigration; immigrantlist; limbaugh; rush; thehouse; ushouse
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I notice that the only time the fraudulent Washigntion Post has come out with any "polls" in recent times, showimng "support" for the Bush administration's plans, is when that plan fits in very nicely with the RATS plan to legalize a bunch of rabid, America-hating Mexicans, so they can vote in the RATS to the control of the congres and ultimately the Presidency.
So much for the value of drive-by media "polls".
Let's face it, the RATS are so far out of the views of mainstream America on most issues that, they have clearly figured out that the only way they can win, is to give citizenship's to rabid "reconquista" Mexicans, a bunch who fit the demographics that regularly voter for the RATS.
Not gonna happen.

It appears our phone calls and letters are working gentlemen (and ladies).
Time to DOUBLE UP with our letters and phone calls and keep up the pressure on our congressmen.
That treacherous Senate Immigration Bill has to die, and it will.
1 posted on 05/28/2006 10:29:30 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison
The Post says "short-term Republican politics," when what it means is, the will of the American people.

Can't say that any better.

2 posted on 05/28/2006 10:32:21 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Jameison
The Washington Post reports this morning that prospects for the Senate's immigration amnesty package are dimming,...

There, fixed it.

3 posted on 05/28/2006 10:32:46 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Jameison
It appears our phone calls and letters are working gentlemen (and ladies).

Time to DOUBLE UP with our letters and phone calls and keep up the pressure on our congressmen.

That treacherous Senate Immigration Bill has to die, and it will.

Amen to that...then, after the Senate bill dies...so must the political careers of those who supported it

4 posted on 05/28/2006 10:34:30 AM PDT by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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To: ncountylee
"10 points from Los Angeles Times"

Illegal aliens do not pay taxes without accountability.
40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are
working for cash and not paying taxes.

Illegal aliens rape and murder Americans without accountability.
95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

Illegal aliens will inherit and bankrupt America.
Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien
Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare

Illegal aliens bring Americans infectious hepatitis,
incurable tuberculosis, typhoid, cholera, mumps,
Chagas disease, leprosy, incurable Morgellons disease, and Dengue fever. They deliver the diseases that Americans will not.

5 posted on 05/28/2006 10:34:42 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Jameison
Republican House members facing the toughest races this fall are overwhelmingly opposed to any deal that provides illegal immigrants a path to citizenship

This is really important because it means their constituents don't want them to vote for this mess, which strongly suggests that polls showing that most Americans favor amnesty are wrong.

susie

6 posted on 05/28/2006 10:34:52 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Diogenesis
"The Washington Post reports this morning that prospects for the Senate's immigration amnesty package are dimming"

Exactly right.
Now why didn't I think of that?
Sigh.
Need to work on me writing skills. :)
7 posted on 05/28/2006 10:36:44 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison

It's too late. Six members of my family who vote straight Rep. ticket have vowed to never vote again. Don't care who they elect. Think we all forgot: government is not your friend. Always follow the money. Only curious now how much money is in ALL those congressional freezers.


8 posted on 05/28/2006 10:37:06 AM PDT by texaslil (and)
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To: Jameison
If possible, try to visit your Congressman's local office. Even a brief visit with a junior staffer carries huge impact.

I went to my Congressman's office on Friday to deliver a letter of support (he has been solid) and was invited back for a meeting with Congressman over the break.

The White House and MSM will be placing brutal pressure on the good guys. We must fight as hard as we can.IMHO

9 posted on 05/28/2006 10:39:32 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: texaslil
"Six members of my family who vote straight Rep. ticket have vowed to never vote again. "

Appears you come from a family of quitters. I'm not sure those are the people I want choosing this nation's leaders anyway.

10 posted on 05/28/2006 10:41:56 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: texaslil
"It's too late"

Naaah.
This is democracy at work right here.
We let our congressmen know what we think about a bad bill, and our congressmen are now even more determined to vote against said evil Senate Bill.
At this rate we are not only going to retain the House in November, we might even gain some seats, as the American public find out how really evil the Senate Bill is and turn on the RATS, and they will.
11 posted on 05/28/2006 10:42:08 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Rokke

Exactly - we need to find 6 replacement voters though who won't quit.


12 posted on 05/28/2006 10:47:36 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Jameison

Your position (IMHO) is national suicide. The world is going to engulf and destroy a "walled off" USofA. Already manufacturing is leaving, agriculture is next. American Capitalism is going "overseas". Americans can be a part of this movement if they join in and not build a wall of separation.


13 posted on 05/28/2006 10:48:35 AM PDT by Blake#1
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To: Diogenesis
Here south of LA (Orange County) the statistics are probably half that which is still completely unacceptable.

I'm sitting on my front porch now watching the people parade on the ocean walkway in Newport Beach. Even here about 15% are "bangers", ten years ago there were none giving me their defiant home boy stare.
14 posted on 05/28/2006 10:48:59 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Jameison

Kay Bailey Hutchinson reported on Lou Dobbs last week that her phone calls, emails, and mail were running nearly 2000 against and less than 20 for the Bush-Fox-Kennedy-McCain Amnesty Bill. I guess since the illegals own the Oval Office and the United States Senate, there is no need telling Senators that cannot be bought that you support amnesty.


15 posted on 05/28/2006 10:51:52 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: Blake#1

"Your position (IMHO) is national suicide. The world is going to engulf and destroy a "walled off" USofA. Already manufacturing is leaving, agriculture is next. American Capitalism is going "overseas". Americans can be a part of this movement if they join in and not build a wall of separation."

This selling of America on immigration is not the first asset to be sold, as you unwhittinghly point out. The Damocrats and the RINOs have been doing it for years... Probably with your support.


16 posted on 05/28/2006 10:59:03 AM PDT by babygene
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To: Blake#1

I think most U.S. Senators agree with your assessment - now if we can just convince enough Representatives ; )


17 posted on 05/28/2006 10:59:12 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Blake#1
"Your position (IMHO) is national suicide"

Naaaah.
Open boarders, where any cocaine smuggler or murderer from Mexican can walk in is national suicide.
From an earlier post in this same thread:

95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

Now that's what national suicide is really like.


"The world is going to engulf and destroy a "walled off" USofA"

Hey, you at the wrong place.
You lost your way, when you were going to the monbats at Kos/Du/moveon.
They buy that hysterical garbage.
We don't.

Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore have some of the toughest immigration policies on the planet, they hardly ever let in ANY illegal immigrants at all, and they have been some of the most successful economies on the planet in the past 40 years.

So much for your "The world is going to engulf and destroy a "walled off" USofA".
It's nonsense.

American Capitalism is going "overseas".

Is that why we just had a scorching 5.3% GDP growth?

Americans can be a part of this movement if they join in and not build a wall of separation.

You mean "join in" the Mexican rush into economic ruin and chaos?
Thanks, but no thanks.
18 posted on 05/28/2006 11:02:38 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison
Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) will not allow a vote on a House-Senate compromise that does not have the support of most GOP lawmakers or one that would undermine the reelection chances of his at-risk members, aides said. According to GOP lawmakers and strategists, about 75 percent of the 231 House Republicans are steadfastly opposed to the Senate bill or even a watered-down version of it.

So, using my "fuzzy math", 75% of 231 is about 173 members - that leaves more than enough Congressmen to pass the compromise bill.

19 posted on 05/28/2006 11:03:10 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Jameison

A couple of pertinent links:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1639699/posts?page=36#36

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1639699/posts?page=52#52


20 posted on 05/28/2006 11:04:09 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: ncountylee

What a sad observation about Newport Beach. I guess I'll just never go home again, and pretend it's still like it was in the early '60's when I had a place right across the street from the beach. :o(


21 posted on 05/28/2006 11:04:22 AM PDT by rightazrain (OK, who put a "Stop Payment" on my reality check?)
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To: Jameison; Blake#1
If we can get the otherwise non-criminal illegal alien issue taken care of, the tiny minority of illegal aliens we ALL want to keep out (e.g. terrorists, gang-members, cocaine smugglers, rapists, murderers, etc.) could be caught easier. Our GDP is because of open-borders, not in spite of it. If you don't think China and India are a long-term threat to the U.S. economically (and therefore militarily someday), you are sorely mistaken.
22 posted on 05/28/2006 11:07:41 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Blake#1

America was not founded for freedom or capitalism but something bigger called Independence in which no King or Pope or Potentate on foreign soil was equal to the sovereign vote of a single solitary United States citizen. As it is now Bush and his crowd have given Vincente Fox the power equal to millions of hardworking taxpaying United States citizens.


23 posted on 05/28/2006 11:08:34 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: rightazrain; ncountylee

That's the same thing that was said about the waves of Far East immigrants to California in the 1800s - that didn't end up killing us either - next time you are home, my treat at the Benihana's off Birch Street : )


24 posted on 05/28/2006 11:11:06 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Biblebelter

Hyperbole.


25 posted on 05/28/2006 11:11:53 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: texaslil; Jameison

"It's too late. Six members of my family who vote straight Rep. ticket have vowed to never vote again. Don't care who they elect." ~ texaslil

They need to become a little more emotionally mature (ie: grow up).

REALITY 101:

Excerpt from item below:

"If you want to express yourself, and you want to protest, you have to show up -- and, folks, as I said yesterday, the one thing -- and Tony Blankley echoes this in a column that he wrote today. [The price of secure borders] The one place now that conservatism is being defended and advanced, or being attempted to be advanced, is the House of Representatives. That is imperative.

It is an imperative to hold the House of Representatives, and we can do this. We can conduct our little rebellion here if you want to call it that, one election at a time, one politician at a time."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051706/content/america_s_anchorman.member.html

Conservative GOP Rebels in Primaries
Wednesday May 17, 2006

BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: I want to touch on some of the rebellion. There is a rebellion among Republicans taking place, ladies and gentlemen. The Republican Party itself is missing it. Of course, the Drive-By Media is missing it. It all started in the little town called Herndon, Virginia, where incumbent Republicans who had thought that they were being magnanimous and big-hearted, opened a day labor center for illegal immigrants, and the people that started it and operated it, held elective office were thrown out of office in a primary.

[]The same thing happened in North Carolina. People who were all in favor of in-state tuition for illegal immigrant children and so forth, in Republican primaries were thrown out. These country club, blue-blood, Rockefeller-type Republicans were dispatched, and conservative Republicans won. "Angry taxpayers on Tuesday tossed out the two Republican Senate leaders who helped engineer last year's legislative pay raise, an issue that apparently cost 15 House members their jobs, too. Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Jubelirer of Altoona, and Senate Majority Leader David Brightbill of Lebanon County conceded to their challengers, becoming the first lawmakers in major leadership posts to lose a primary election in 42 years.

(story) "The House defeats would be the most since 1980. 'We have had a dramatic earthquake in Pennsylvania,' said Jubelirer, a 32-year legislator. The defeats of Jubelirer and Brightbill 'will send shock waves throughout he political establishment for years to come,' said Mike Young, a retired Penn State University political science professor... 'The people have spoken,' Jubelirer, 69, said shortly after congratulating his challenger, Blair County Commissioner John Eichelberger. 'They have said this is a time for change. It is a historic year.' Eichelberger, 47, said the race was about redefining the Republican Party."
Another quote: "The pay raise got people out but at the end of the day it was our message that sold. I think the Republican Party said enough is enough for politics as usual," meaning enough of this RINO Republican stuff, enough of this moderate liberal country club Rockefeller blue-blood stuff, we've had it -- and there's a whole number of issues that are causing this to happen. It's not just immigration. It was a pay raise in this case, but it's unresponsive, status quo. It's, "We know more than you do. You don't know what you're talking about. We're elected officials. We're better than you are," and people said, "I'm tired of being dealt with this way."

John Fund writes today in the Wall Street Journal: "A clear pattern is developing in primary contests for state legislature this year. In North Carolina, GOP voters turfed out a series of incumbents who had not opposed taxes enough. In Indiana, the state Senate president was tossed out of office earlier this month by a political newcomer. Now in Pennsylvania, we see another voter revolt. Republicans are clearly upset at their party, and if GOP members of Congress don't heed that message, they may come to regret that in November." Now, this all boils down to this: We are as conservatives and the dominant factor in the Republican Party. We are a national security, law and order, free market party, and yet we're fighting in a minimalist way in Iraq.

Shelby Steele is right about that. "We're not using the full force of our power. We are not enforcing the law on the border, and we are spending like idiots. The only thing holding us together is the detestable, contemptible left. We know the country simply cannot be turned over to them." But these stories are not all. In Utah, Chris Cannon, long time Republican congressman, now in a primary runoff because he's a big open-borders guy. He denies it now, and he would object to this characterization, but he is. In Nebraska, the Republican governor who was thought vulnerable to coach Osborne, the great former coach of the University of Nebraska, the Republican governor won because he vetoed legislation giving in-state tuition to illegals.

Coach Osborne was more supportive of that, and this is happening all across the country. It started in this little town, Herndon, Virginia, and these 18 senators who voted yesterday with the open-borders crowd, 18 Republicans, there was a simple, clear amendment. We'll deal with this amnesty program and the day worker program, guest worker program after we secure the border, which is what most common-sensible things people believe should be done first anyway. Secure the border. Eighteen Republican senators voted against that amendment, and these 18 senators down the road could use some primary challenges. See, folks? This is how we protest.
These ragamuffin, long-haired, maggot-infested, dope-smoking worthless losers, they go out [] and they protest on communist holidays. They protest on May Day or they'll pick a day they don't want to go to school, but we, ladies and gentlemen, protest on Election Day, when it counts. We'll let the Third World take to the streets; let 'em demand rights. We will go to the polls and civilly speak through our votes. There is a rebellion underway here. The media, the GOP establishment do not see it. There is something that could be done about this, but you're not going to do it by staying at home on Election Day.

If you want to express yourself, and you want to protest, you have to show up -- and, folks, as I said yesterday, the one thing -- and Tony Blankley echoes this in a column that he wrote today. The one place now that conservatism is being defended and advanced, or being attempted to be advanced, is the House of Representatives. That is imperative. It is an imperative to hold the House of Representatives, and we can do this. We can conduct our little rebellion here if you want to call it that, one election at a time, one politician at a time. McCain, he's going to have to ask Republican voters for their support one day. Lindsey Graham, he was one of these 18 senators.

He comes from one of the most conservative states in the country, and he, one day, is going to have to go back there and ask for their votes again when he wants to be reelected. This is the kind of thing that people will remember, will help them remember votes like this. McCain's getting his own wake-up call, by the way. The media is now continually full of stories about how he's no longer a maverick. There actually was a side-by-side debate on one Internet website. Two journalists were debating whether or not it's still accurate to call McCain a "maverick" or not, and one journalist said, "He's not a maverick anymore. Why look, he's sidling up to Falwell, sidling up to Robertson."

"No, he's still a maverick. He's just doing this because he knows what he has to do to win."

The bottom line is McCain's usefulness to the Drive-By Media is finished. His usefulness was when he was the bad boy of Washington ripping his own party, ripping his president, doing the left's bidding for it within the Republican Party and the Drive-By Media. But now that he apparently has decided his strategery is going to be to mend fences with conservatives, now they're debating is he worthy of maverick status or not. He's going to have to ask for people's votes one day, too. This happens one politician, one election at a time. Make no mistake: there's a rebellion going on out there, and you people know it, and as usual you're the first on the case. The GOP establishment hasn't figured it out and they won't -- and of course the Drive-By Media hasn't the slightest clue. I mean, they look at these election results and they haven't the slightest ability because they don't understand conservatives. They don't want to understand conservatives. Even if they note the change, they'll come up with some asinine reason to explain it that will be so far off the mark, so they're not up to speed on it either. But it is happening out there.

END TRANSCRIPT
Read the Background Material...
(PTR: 'Earthquake in Pennsylvania')
(WSJ: Incumbents Under Fire - John Fund)
(Washington Times: The price of secure borders - Tony Blankley)http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20060516-085749-7755r.htm


26 posted on 05/28/2006 11:13:43 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: rightazrain
What a sad observation about Newport Beach.

Newport Beach is still wonderful but the writing is on the wall if we don't get control of the borders and clean up the refuse already here. I've been in this house for 30 years and need alarms, motion detecting lights, chains for outside furniture etc. Those things were laughable only a few years ago.

27 posted on 05/28/2006 11:17:07 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Jameison

bump


28 posted on 05/28/2006 11:17:12 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Matchett-PI

I have no problem with selecting conservatives in the GOP primary, as long as we make sure they win in the general - it is much worse to trade a RINO for an actual Democrat.


29 posted on 05/28/2006 11:20:31 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Diogenesis

Would someone tell Ann Coulter: There is a plan in Mexico that they match funds sent from Mexicans in the USA...for every $3.00 that is sent, the Mexican Gov't matches it with $1.00 Funny no one every mentions this.


30 posted on 05/28/2006 11:21:26 AM PDT by rovenstinez (qua)
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To: clawrence3

We are living through the most prosperous time period the world has ever known. Thanks to American, USofA Capitalism. Some credit has to be given to immigration, that is replacing the "murdered, aborted" citizens we do not have in our work force.


31 posted on 05/28/2006 11:23:11 AM PDT by Blake#1
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To: clawrence3
"So, using my "fuzzy math", 75% of 231 is about 173 members - that leaves more than enough Congressmen to pass the compromise bill."

# 1. Those are WaPo figures. The same WaPo also claims that most Americans support the Senate Bil in that article, even tho nearly all GOP House members have had their constituents contact them, and overwhelmingly write against the Senate Bill.
Where is the WaPo getting their figures from?
Kos or DU?

# 2. Those same Republican House members voted overwhelmingly for the very tough House Bill didn't they?
Real votes trump "WaPo "polls" any day.

# 3. The only maths that counts is the 239-182 vote FOR the House immigration Bill when the votes were taken.
32 posted on 05/28/2006 11:25:58 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison

That vote (H.R. 4437?) was taken LAST YEAR - I think I will go with the more current info - thanks though.


33 posted on 05/28/2006 11:28:14 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Blake#1

I completely agree - this used to be a forum where that would be self-evident to fiscal and social conservatives.


34 posted on 05/28/2006 11:29:30 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Jameison
One of the only things more tiresome than single issue voters is Californian's complaining about life in California. If life in California sucks so bad, tell the folks in your state to stop voting for democrats like Feinstein and Boxer. A state that has reliably voted for the Democrat Presidential candidate for almost 20 years doesn't give much of an indication it is interested in changing the liberal balance of the Federal Courts. Meanwhile illegals streaming into your state seem to find ready employment in your state's industries...or else they would stream elsewhere. You are making your own bed...you can lie in it.

OBTW, when was the last time you were ever in South Korea, Taiwan or Singapore? One of the reasons they have successful economies is because the actively participate in the world economy. And all three of those countries have a very healthy and large immigrant population. It just happens to be a little harder for illegals to cross their borders considering two are islands, and the other shares its single border with a communist fortress that won't let its people eat nevermind migrate.

35 posted on 05/28/2006 11:33:23 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke; All

Great post!

Does anyone know who is going to be on the House side of this Conference Committee yet?


36 posted on 05/28/2006 11:37:32 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
"If we can get the otherwise non-criminal illegal alien issue taken care of, the tiny minority of illegal aliens we ALL want to keep out (e.g. terrorists, gang-members, cocaine smugglers, rapists, murderers, etc.) could be caught easier"


/sarcasm on/ Let me see if I get you right.
We keep or boarders open, so anyone can walk in, and that way keep out Mexican cocaine dealers, killers and other varmint? /sarcasm off/
Very cute.

Boarders MUST be secured.
Unemployed, illiterate Mexicans ARE Mexico's problem
Vicente Fox is the only President in this planet I know, who thinks he was elected not so much to fix the problems of his country, but to shove those problems onto another country.
That nonsense is over guys.

"Our GDP is because of open-borders, not in spite of it"

You mean like South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore have been growing at gangbusters for over 40 years, and have transformed themselves from peasant econmomies to some of the most hi-tech economies on the planet due to "open boraders" too, right?
NOT!
Let me know when you came down from cloud cuckoooland, will ya?

If Mexican illiterates are so great for a county's economy, how come the Mexican economy suck so much their own people keep running away in their millions for decades?
37 posted on 05/28/2006 11:39:52 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Blake#1

You may be interested in this thread too: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1638992/posts?page=341#341


38 posted on 05/28/2006 11:40:28 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
"That vote (H.R. 4437?) was taken LAST YEAR - I think I will go with the more current info - thanks though.
"

Current info is that by an overwhelmomng majority, most Republicans REJECT the Senate Immigration Bill, and the message is getting through loud and clear to returning Republican congressmen.
That's what counts.
39 posted on 05/28/2006 11:42:21 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Rokke
You are making your own bed...you can lie in it.

Rokke, California passed a law to help mitigate the impact of illegal immigration in 1994. But the FEDERAL courts, in collusion with the president of Mexico shot it down. It was called Proposition 187. Because the FEDERAL courts did this, it is a shame on the rest of the states in the union that they didn't step up to the plate with us to defend Californian's rights against the federal government.
40 posted on 05/28/2006 11:42:35 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: clawrence3
"I completely agree - this used to be a forum where that would be self-evident to fiscal and social conservatives."


Repeat after me:
Fiscal and social conservatives don't support wanton breaking of American Immigration Laws, by "reconquista" Mexicans who carry American flags turned upside down, flood the country with cocaine, and carry out huge numbers of murders.
41 posted on 05/28/2006 11:45:42 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: ncountylee
"I went to my Congressman's office on Friday to deliver a letter of support (he has been solid) and was invited back for a meeting with Congressman over the break."

My Congressman is Bob Filner. I wonder if I'd get the same welcome.
42 posted on 05/28/2006 11:46:01 AM PDT by Rick Deckard
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To: Blake#1

It does not look as if the world is destroying a walled of Israel. Maybe I am getting something wrong?


43 posted on 05/28/2006 11:46:27 AM PDT by seppel
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To: gubamyster

ping


44 posted on 05/28/2006 11:48:34 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: rovenstinez
"There is a plan in Mexico that they match funds sent from Mexicans in the USA...for every $3.00 that is sent, the Mexican Gov't matches it with $1.00 "

Yet another Mexican Government encouragement of breaking American Immigration Laws.
Meanwhile Mexico itself maintains some of the most rabid immigration laws on the planet.
What makes strong immigration laws good for Mexico but bad for American to carry out again?
45 posted on 05/28/2006 11:49:17 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: seppel

Are you really saying that Israel is not in mortal danger? That,not for USofA military, Israel would not exist!


46 posted on 05/28/2006 11:49:53 AM PDT by Blake#1
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To: Rick Deckard
Doesn't Filner represent Chula Vista a northern TJ suburb?
47 posted on 05/28/2006 11:50:53 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: hedgetrimmer
"But the FEDERAL courts, in collusion with the president of Mexico shot it down. It was called Proposition 187. Because the FEDERAL courts did this, it is a shame on the rest of the states in the union that they didn't step up to the plate with us to defend Californian's rights against the federal government."

Thanks for the history lesson, but I think you missed the part of my post where I stated that California has consistently voted for the Democrat Presidential candidate for almost 20 years. You want liberal judges. Vote democrat. Apparently, California is happy with the judges they have.

48 posted on 05/28/2006 11:53:39 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: hedgetrimmer; Rokke

Federal judge Mariana Pfaelzer was nominated by Democrat POTUS and confirmed by Democrat Senators from California - luckily, Judge William Matthew Byrne (who issued the TRO against Prop 187) is no longer on the bench - I think that's the whole point in Rokke's post. Did you know that the person who wrote Prop 187, Dick Mountjoy, is running against Feinstein? Time for Californians to put their votes where their mouths are.


49 posted on 05/28/2006 11:55:52 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Jameison
"Current info is that by an overwhelmomng majority, most Republicans REJECT the Senate Immigration Bill, and the message is getting through loud and clear to returning Republican congressmen. That's what counts."

Not true according to most of the latest polls. This might be of interest...

Americans, Republicans, Conservatives Support Comprehensive Immigration Reform

50 posted on 05/28/2006 11:57:37 AM PDT by Rokke
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