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'Ex-Gays' Seek a Say in Schools
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 28, 2006 | Stephanie Simon

Posted on 05/28/2006 2:23:19 PM PDT by DBeers

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Over the last decade, gay-rights activists have pushed programs to support gay and lesbian students in public schools. Their success is striking:

More than 3,000 Gay-Straight Alliance clubs meet across the country. Nearly half a million students take a vow of silence one day each spring in an annual event to support gay rights. California may soon require textbooks to feature the contributions of gays and lesbians throughout history.

Critics, mostly on the religious right, view all this as promoting the "homosexual lifestyle." Unable to stop it, they have turned to a new strategy: demanding equal time for their view in public schools and on college campuses.

Conservative Christians and Jews have teamed up with men and women who call themselves "ex-gay" to lobby — and even sue — for the right to tell teenagers that they can "heal" themselves of unwanted same-sex attractions.

They argue that schools have an obligation to balance gay-pride themes with the message that gay and lesbian students can go straight through "reparative therapy." In this view, homosexuality is not a fixed or inborn trait but a symptom of emotional distress — a disorder that can be cured.

Alan Chambers, a leading ex-gay activist, recalls how scared and depressed he felt when a high-school counselor advised him to deal with his attraction to other boys by accepting his homosexuality. He had no choice, she told him: He was gay. "It was very damaging," Chambers said. "I didn't want that. I hadn't chosen it."

His senior year, Chambers found his way to Exodus International, a network of groups that support ex-gays. He is now married to a woman, a father of two — and the president of Exodus.

~SNIP~

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Note: this assumed objective article on the truly subjective OOZES homosexual agenda driven bias -it provides a smorgasborg of omnimegamulti barf alerts some of which are quite humorous when considering and extrapolating the necessarily applied impact on the agenda premising the assault evidenced in this piece...

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1 posted on 05/28/2006 2:23:23 PM PDT by DBeers
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2 posted on 05/28/2006 2:25:34 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: DBeers

I don't remember ANY of my history books mentioning ONE THING that "heterosexuals" did for society. So why are we going to highlight was "gays" did?


3 posted on 05/28/2006 2:41:18 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: DBeers
in an old post I mentioned that those who were not gay but were recruited in public schools would cause a backlash when they realized they were not queer.

someone who has been giving head since 5th grade that suddenly realizes he is not queer when he is 20 is a person that must be dealt with; and he will demand not justice, but retribution.

Time only will tell.

4 posted on 05/28/2006 2:43:18 PM PDT by mmercier (strange is the night when dark stars rise)
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To: DBeers

I am repeating here what I've said elsewhere:
When scientists look for signs of life, such as on Mars, they look for life forms that reproduce. Since gay sex cannot possibly reproduce another life, it is clear that gay sex is contrary to nature.
It is also a worldwide health problem, since it is the root cause of AIDS. Homosexuals and lesbians are not engaged in a "life style", they are undermining human existence.



5 posted on 05/28/2006 2:53:36 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Oh, we aren't. The history books will have to "find" gays that did great things. These could be people who did great things that we already knew were great (Abraham Lincoln), or they will just make up great things that were done by not-so-great people who were allegedly gay (Oscar Wilde). Or take a person who is largely presumed gay and puff his achievements as hard as possible (Oscar Wilde again).

Expect to see a lot of Oscar Wilde.

6 posted on 05/28/2006 3:13:43 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: DBeers

7 posted on 05/28/2006 3:15:22 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Gordongekko909
Paul Lynde and Stephen Stucker... all day... every day...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA !!!

8 posted on 05/28/2006 3:34:51 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: DBeers

A Very Wary Christmas
Friday, December 9, 2005
Stephanie Simon - - Los Angeles Times
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Retailers and governments heed the wrath of Christians who seek recognition of the sanctity of the occasion. Attorneys are standing by.






Grooming Politicians for Christ
Tuesday, August 23, 2005
Stephanie Simon - - Los Angeles Times
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Evangelical programs on Capitol Hill seek to mold a new generation of leaders who will answer not to voters, but to God.


9 posted on 05/28/2006 3:42:34 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: DBeers

Christians Sue for Right Not to Tolerate Policies
Stephanie Simon/Los Angeles Times (4/10/06)

With her lawsuit, Ruth Malhotra joins a growing campaign to force public schools, state colleges and private workplaces to eliminate policies protecting gays and lesbians from harassment. The religious right aims to overturn a broad range of common tolerance programs.


10 posted on 05/28/2006 3:44:08 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: DBeers
Homosexuality is defined by behavior, i.e., unless one engages in sexual activity with a member of the same sex, he, or she, is not a homosexual. (The term sexual orientation is a diversionary tactic employed to rhetorically cloud the issue.)

Any human behavior (not driven by autonomic or instinctual responses) that is not voluntary is, by definition, a psychosis.

Therefore, homosexual behavior is either a voluntary choice or a psychosis.

If homosexual behavior is a voluntary choice, then it is subject to the same types of societal regulations as is any other sexual behavior such as pedophilia, prostitution, polygamy, etc.

If homosexual behavior is a psychosis, then it is validly subject to treatment and possible cure.

If homosexual behavior is voluntary, it has no more claim to discussion in a public school curriculum than does pedophilia, prostitution, polygamy, etc., i.e., none.

If homosexual behavior is involuntary (a psychosis), it has no more claim to discussion in a school curriculum than does any other psychosis, i.e., none.

In either case, homosexual practitioners have no valid claim to insist on inclusion of discussion of their sexual proclivities in a public school curriculum. Homosexual individuals are incapable of reproduction if they are exclusively homosexual. (If these individuals do not practice exclusively homosexual activity, then, by definition, they can choose not to be homosexual.) By the principles of genetics, exclusively homosexual practitioners would cause such types of individuals to appear in the population at no greater rate than that of other genetic disorders which prevent their victims from procreating, not the currently observed proportion of the population.
11 posted on 05/28/2006 3:53:11 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: kcvl
She seems to really be exploring her "masculine" side -no doubt, compensating for the effeminate leftist men she encounters...

/end psychoanalysis

12 posted on 05/28/2006 3:56:58 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Okay, I'd stick him the history books just for being funny as all hell. Our children need to learn how to speak Jive, while we're at it.

Yeah, Airplane ruled. If I were a teacher, my students would have to watch Caddyshack too.

13 posted on 05/28/2006 4:27:33 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: DBeers

"Omnimegamulti barf alerts"... You've outdone yourself, DB!


14 posted on 05/28/2006 4:31:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

;-)


15 posted on 05/28/2006 4:48:09 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: Lucky Dog
Homosexuality is defined by behavior

Duh, wrong!

You could ask any of the ex-homosexuals here on FR.

Or consult the American Psychiatric Association. Or even Wikipedia.

16 posted on 05/28/2006 5:44:59 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: DBeers
"recalls how scared and depressed he felt when a high-school counselor advised him to deal with his attraction to other boys by accepting his homosexuality. He had no choice, she told him: He was gay. "It was very damaging," Chambers said. "I didn't want that. I hadn't chosen it."



And therein lies the scariest part of this whole agenda being in schools. More young people have attempted to, or succeeded in, committing suicide because guidance councilors told them that, as well as teachers and other students. We never hear of them however, until Mr. Chambers came along and told his story.

I personally know a family whose son falls into this category. Thankfully he didn't fall prey, but did attempt to end his life, before his parents packed up and moved him south to a much more conservative area. He too, is now married, and very happy with his life.

THIS is the real danger to kids suffering from same sex attraction disorder, many of them want nothing to do with the lifestyle.
17 posted on 05/28/2006 5:52:30 PM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: Gordongekko909

My guess would be they will seize historical figures, so to speak, say they were gay when in fact the weren't, and none of them are alive to refute it, affirm it, give permission for them to release said information, or deny them the right to use it.

Talk about privacy rights invasion!


18 posted on 05/28/2006 5:56:21 PM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: balrog666
Duh, wrong!

What an amazingly intellectual response. Did you think that one up all on your own?

Is rape defined by a behavior? Is prostitution defined by a behavior? Is polygamy defined by a behavior? Are not all of these sexual behaviors? If any of the practitioners failed to engage in any of these behaviors, would they still be described by the term?

Homosexuality is not one whet different. If the practitioners does not engage in the sexual behavior with a member of the same sex, then he, or she, can not be described as a homosexual. Having so-called attractions to a member of the same sex does not make someone a homosexual any more than wanting to marry more than one woman makes some one a polygamist.

Your response indicates a distinct lack of the mastery of logic.
19 posted on 05/28/2006 6:01:25 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Gordongekko909; All
Our children need to learn how to speak Jive, while we're at it.

Then let's get started:

'Ex-Gays' Seek some Say in Farms
Los Angeles Times ^ | May 28, 2006 | Stephanie Simon

Posted on 05/28/2006 2:23:19 PM PDT by DBeers


FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. WORD! — Ova' de last decade, gay-rights activists gots pushed honky codes t'suppo't gay and lesbian students in public farms. Deir success be strikin':

Mo'e dan 3,000 Gay-Straight Alliance clubs meet across de country. Slap mah fro! Nearly half some million students snatch some vow uh silence one day each sprin' in an annual event t'suppo't gay rights. Califo'nia may soon require textscribblin's t'feature da damn contribushuns uh gays and lesbians droughout histo'y.

Slap mah fro! Critics, mostly on de religious right, view all dis as promotin' de "homosexual lifestyle." Unable t'stop it, dey gots turned t'a new strategy, dig dis: demandin' equal time fo' deir view in public farms and on college campuses.

Conservative Christians and Jews gots teamed down wid dudes and honky chicks who call demselves "ex-gay" t'lobby — and even sue — fo' de right t'tell teenagers dat dey kin "heal" demselves uh unwants'ed same-sex attracshuns.

Dey argue dat farms gots an obligashun t'balance gay-pride demes wid de message dat gay and lesbian students kin go straight drough "reparative derapy. Slap mah fro!" In dis view, homosexuality be not some fixed o' inbo'n trait but some symptom uh emoshunal distress — some diso'da' dat kin be cured...

Courtesy The Dialectizer
20 posted on 05/28/2006 6:40:31 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Can you think of the last regime to order the removal of crosses from the public square?)
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To: Lucky Dog
Homosexuality is defined by behavior, i.e., unless one engages in sexual activity with a member of the same sex, he, or she, is not a homosexual. (The term sexual orientation is a diversionary tactic employed to rhetorically cloud the issue.)

Let me add my two cents. One could think of actual homosexuality being just as you defined it --in essence, a "homosexual" is a disordered heterosexual -disordered because he/she chose to or chooses to engage in the disordered activity of homosexual sex...

However, as to "sexual orientation" -think of "sexual orientation" as feelings... Those suffering the homosexual disorder claim to have feelings of predisposition cause unknown to engage in the disordered activity of homosexual sex...

If they do not act on those feelings then they simply suffer from the homosexual disorder and are not actually one time, practiced, and or severely addicted "homosexuals" ...

e.g. one may think of bowling without being a bowler AND one may be a bowler without being a professional bowler...

21 posted on 05/28/2006 6:44:46 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: Lucky Dog

Gee, dumbass, can you even read an entire post?


22 posted on 05/28/2006 6:54:11 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: DBeers
If they do not act on those feelings then they simply suffer from the homosexual disorder and are not actually one time, practiced, and or severely addicted "homosexuals"...

Any human behavior (not driven by autonomic or instinctual responses) that is not voluntary is, by definition, a psychosis.

Therefore, homosexual behavior is either a voluntary choice or a psychosis.


One can “feel” extreme rage at another human being. However, unless, and until, the angry person acts there is no problem, i.e., no one is a murderer for just “feeling” like he, or she, wants to kill another.

Having “feelings” of lust does not make a man rapist unless, and until, he acts on these “feelings.” A woman can “feel” like she wants to sell her body, but unless, and until, she acts on these “feelings,” she is not a prostitute.

e.g. one may think of bowling without being a bowler AND one may be a bowler without being a professional bowler...

No one is a bowler, professional, amateur, or otherwise, without having first having bowled regardless how many times he, or she, may have thought about it.

Similarly, no person who has refused to engage in homosexual behavior is a homosexual regardless how many times he, or she, may have thought about it
23 posted on 05/28/2006 7:06:51 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: balrog666
Gee, dumbass, can you even read an entire post?

Your command of vocabulary is remarkably, and amazingly, deficient as is, apparently, your intellect, judging from you inability to express yourself without vulgarity.

If you can not engage in civil discussion and debate without such boorishness, I suggest you withdraw from the thread. If, on the other hand, you wish to apologize and continue with civility and a modicum of etiquette, the discussion may continue.
24 posted on 05/28/2006 7:18:18 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: DBeers

Arnold has said publically he will VETO SB 1437 which is the bill the LA TRASH is mentioning here with the history of gays in the textbooks. Guess they didn't get the message yet. Not surprised they're still pushing it.


25 posted on 05/28/2006 7:22:02 PM PDT by TatieBug
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To: Lucky Dog
Your command of vocabulary is remarkably, and amazingly, deficient as is, apparently, your intellect, judging from you inability to express yourself without vulgarity.

My post was direct and to the point. And you have yet to respond to it in a meaningful fashion.

If you can not engage in civil discussion and debate without such boorishness, I suggest you withdraw from the thread. If, on the other hand, you wish to apologize and continue with civility and a modicum of etiquette, the discussion may continue.

After you...

26 posted on 05/28/2006 7:30:54 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: Gordongekko909

I recall that Alan Turing was gay. During the War, the government accepted his service (out of necessity) despite his sexual orientation, but after the war he was rejected and consequently committed suicide.


27 posted on 05/28/2006 7:37:47 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: balrog666
After you...

Perhaps, if you could cite the vulgarity I employed in responding to you, I would apologize. Unless, and until, you can do so, I owe you no apology. On the other hand, your direct response was crude and offensive beyond any semblance of civility. My call for your apology remains on the table unaddressed.
28 posted on 05/28/2006 7:40:00 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: balrog666
Or consult the American Psychiatric Association.

Consult a bunch of pervert liberals who need therapy for their obsessions?

Homosexuality is either a birth defect, a mental illness or a choice... take your pick...

29 posted on 05/28/2006 7:44:03 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Lucky Dog
Is rape defined by a behavior? Is prostitution defined by a behavior? Is polygamy defined by a behavior? Are not all of these sexual behaviors? If any of the practitioners failed to engage in any of these behaviors, would they still be described by the term?

A pedophile is someone with an inappropriate sexual attraction toward children. A child molester is someone who engages in inappropriate sexual activities with children. The former is described by the attraction; the latter by the action.

30 posted on 05/28/2006 7:45:17 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Go read a book.

Oh, wait, make that a nonfiction book.

31 posted on 05/28/2006 7:49:18 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: supercat
A pedophile is someone with an inappropriate sexual attraction toward children.

Some experts disagree with your assessment/definition.

pedophilia -- Sexual fondness and activity of adults with children.pedophilia is a form of paraphilia (deviant sexual behaviour). ---The On-line Medical Dictionary

Definition of Pedophilia --Pedophilia: People with pedophilia have fantasies, urges or behaviors that involve illegal sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger). Pedophilic behavior includes undressing the child, encouraging the child to watch the abuser masturbate, touching or fondling the child's genitals and forcefully performing sexual acts on the child. Some pedophiles are sexually attracted to children only (exclusive pedophiles) and are not attracted to adults at all. Some pedophiles limit their activity to their own children or close relatives (incest), while others victimize other children. Predatory pedophiles may use force or threaten their victims if they disclose the abuse. Health care providers are legally bound to report such abuse of minors. ---MedTerms.com Medical Dictionary
32 posted on 05/28/2006 7:55:21 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Lucky Dog
Any human behavior (not driven by autonomic or instinctual responses) that is not voluntary is, by definition, a psychosis.

Therefore, homosexual behavior is either a voluntary choice or a psychosis.

You are soundly logical.

The very idea that human beings have individual rights not subject to the whims of a monarch, but subject to the laws of Yahweh, is directly from Moses.

Historically, this is proven over and over again with the successive conflicts between the forces of paganism and the Judaic culture. (This includes the idolatry of Marxist paganism.)

Today, "morals" are defined by a quasi-religious pagan philosophy based on esoteric hobgoblins. A greater number of "atheists" and "pagans" adopt the same hackneyed tenets of a false Judaic-Christian ideal (golden calf). They also subscribe to the Judaic fetishism of "sin," but will fight to their death in denial of it. Most of them are so wrapped up in their own polemics that they have become nothing more than pathetic anti-Christians with the same false hypocritical philosophy. They just slap a new label on it hoping nobody will notice - - they replace the idea of "avoiding sin" with "morals."

Morality and all of its associated concepts are from the belief some higher power defines what is correct in human behavior. Today, "morals" are a religious pagan philosophy of esoteric hobgoblins. Transfiguration is a pantheon of fantasies as the medium of infinitization. Others get derision for having an unwavering Judaic belief in Yahweh or Yeshua, although their critics and enemies will evangelize insertion of phantasmagoric fetishisms into secular law.

Mosaic Law (of which the Ten Commandments is just a part) is the foundation of Western Civilization. Genesis is the primary focus of the Declaration of Independence, from where our Constitutional rights are derived. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our judicial system.

Moses wrote Genesis. This is why such people will jump up and down screaming when the Ten Commandments are displayed or the Creationist idea of monogamy from the book of Genesis is introduced.

The latter (Genesis) also ruins the illogical and non-biological arguments of homosexual monogamy. In a secular sense, homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. It is in no way an anatomical function of the human organism, but a phantasmagoric creation from within the mentally disturbed human mind, a social psychosis, naked and on full exhibitionist display.

This is the whole crux of their attack on creationism - - they are really frustrated by Genesis, but cannot destroy the axiomatic state of procreant human biology, it does not fit their religious agenda.

Homosexual monogamy advocates seek ceremonious sanctification of their anatomical perversions and esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden, impoverished egos.

Neither of those will satisfy their universal dissatisfaction with mortality or connect them to something eternal. With pantheons of fantasies as their medium of infinitization, they still have nothing in them of reality, any more than there is in the things that seem to stand before us in a dream.

Homosexual deviancy is really a pagan practice (and a self-induced social psychosis) at war with the Judaic culture over what is written in the book of Genesis (1:27, 2:18).

This is exactly what the National Socialists were at war with... so, when someone uses the term "Gaystapo," they might not realize how close to the truth they really are.

Many will seek ceremonious sanctification and esoteric absolution in some type of marriage rite, but that still fails to give them a connection to the eternal in both a religious and temporal, procreant sense - - the union does not produce offspring.

Dissatisfaction with inevitable mortality only feeds the impoverishment of the ego further. Homosexuals really hate human life; their whole desire is rooted in the destruction of it...

Aleister Crowley, who openly supported the National Socialists, was affiliated with Ordo Templi Orientis, A.A. (Order of the Silver Star) and other such occult lodges all across Germany. Crowley engaged in all manner of deviancy, homoeroticism, sadomasochism and murder. Much of the occultism in National Socialism is derived directly from there. Crowley envisioned himself as the Great Beast (To Mega Therion), just as der Fuhrer made himself in that image. Hitler's life as a struggling, inept artist was where that association blossomed.

Crowley's creed, "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law," (which is actually from Francois Rabelais) and used by Neo-Pagan nutcases without attribution for obvious politically correct reasons, is with certainty no different than the National Socialist "will to power," or their ubermensch mentality.

It is also no accident Nietzsche's "over-man" and nihilist philosophy and resulting insanity from venereal disease closely mirrors the insanity of der Fuhrer.

These occult orders, sex and drug cults still survive today, as do the Neo-pagan, Neo-Nazi groups, black supremacist Rastafarian potheads, prison gangs and other related filth.

[Crowley occultism is also from where L. Ron Hubbard emerges with Scientology. Note the NAZI symbolism of that kooky cult of weirdos.]

Was Freudian psychoanalytic theory of sexual stages in psychological development more accurate than accredited? The Michael Jackson Complex is fixation on mutilation of and deviance with human anatomy in the media. It is a social psychosis catering to the lowest common denominator and generated with Pavlovian behavioral conditioning in popular culture...

33 posted on 05/28/2006 7:59:41 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Interesting post. Thanks for the effort.


34 posted on 05/28/2006 8:07:29 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: balrog666
balrog666” ??? Is that supposed to be a harrowing display of blasphemy, or are you really as ignorant as I suspect?

Aleister Crowley, who openly supported the National Socialists, was affiliated with Ordo Templi Orientis, A.A. (Order of the Silver Star) and other such occult lodges all across Germany. Crowley engaged in all manner of deviancy, homoeroticism, sadomasochism and murder. Much of the occultism in National Socialism is derived directly from there.

Like balrog 666, Crowley envisioned himself as the Great Beast (To Mega Therion), just as der Fuhrer made himself in that image. Hitler's life as a struggling, inept artist was where that association blossomed.

Crowley's creed, "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law," (which is actually from Francois Rabelais) and used by Neo-Pagan nutcases without attribution for obvious politically correct reasons, is with certainty no different than the National Socialist "will to power," or their ubermensch mentality.

It is also no accident Nietzsche's "over-man" and nihilist philosophy and resulting insanity from venereal disease closely mirrors the insanity of der Fuhrer.

These occult orders, sex and drug cults still survive today, as do the Neo-pagan, Neo-Nazi groups, black supremacist Rastafarian potheads, prison gangs and other related filth.

[Crowley occultism is also from where L. Ron Hubbard emerges with Scientology. Note the NAZI symbolism of that kooky cult of weirdos.]

35 posted on 05/28/2006 8:10:13 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Lucky Dog
In Plato’s Euthyphro, Socrates advanced argument that piety to many gods, who all want conflicting devotions and/or actions from humans, is impossible. Socrates exposed pagan esoteric sophistry.
36 posted on 05/28/2006 8:22:00 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: holdonnow

ping


37 posted on 05/28/2006 8:47:42 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Murtha, doing the job Marines wouldn't do... on Memorial Day weekend. s/)
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To: Lucky Dog

Filthy language can usually be attributed to trollishness (from an underground source).


38 posted on 05/28/2006 9:12:35 PM PDT by fwdude (If at first you don't succeed .......... form a committee and hire a consultant.)
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To: fwdude; Sir Francis Dashwood; balrog666
Gee, dumbass, can you even read an entire post? --- balrog666

Your command of vocabulary is remarkably, and amazingly, deficient as is, apparently, your intellect, judging from you inability to express yourself without vulgarity.

If you can not engage in civil discussion and debate without such boorishness, I suggest you withdraw from the thread. If, on the other hand, you wish to apologize and continue with civility and a modicum of etiquette, the discussion may continue.
--- Lucky Dog

Filthy language can usually be attributed to trollishness (from an underground source).---fwdude

It appears that balrog666 has taken my advice and withdrawn rather than apologize. No great loss, apparently.
39 posted on 05/29/2006 3:46:08 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Lucky Dog

I would only disagree with you on one point...

I do not think civil discussion on this issue is possible at all... the enemy is among us here and within the Republican party... and they will run crying to a favorable moderator... we are in just as much a cultural war domestically as we are with Islam... this is war...

Peruse this one...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1639872/posts


40 posted on 05/29/2006 7:45:26 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Lucky Dog

I like your arguments. I have not seen such a clearly stated argument against homosexuality in schools before now.

I have two young boys in public school and I am worried.


41 posted on 05/29/2006 10:11:03 AM PDT by free_at_jsl.com
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To: free_at_jsl.com

Thank you. Feel free to borrow them as you like... with some attribution, of course.


42 posted on 05/29/2006 12:42:09 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Paul Lynde was a great comedian and actor. Of course it had NOTHING to do with the fact that he was gay.


43 posted on 05/29/2006 2:16:54 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: Lucky Dog

Obesity is defined by behavior, i.e., engaging in eating activity with no exercise and gaining lots of weight. (The term obese is a diversionary tactic employed to rhetorically cloud the issue.)

Any human behavior (not driven by autonomic or instinctual responses) that is not voluntary is, by definition, a psychosis.

Therefore, obese behavior is either a voluntary choice or a psychosis.

If obese behavior is a voluntary choice, then it is subject to the same types of societal regulations as is any other behavior such as pedophilia, prostitution, polygamy, etc.

If obese behavior is a psychosis, then it is validly subject to treatment and possible cure.

If obese behavior is voluntary, it has no more claim to discussion in a public school curriculum than does pedophilia, prostitution, polygamy, etc., i.e., none.

If obese behavior is involuntary (a psychosis), it has no more claim to discussion in a school curriculum than does any other psychosis, i.e., none.

In either case, obese practitioners have no valid claim to insist on inclusion of discussion of their eating habits in a public school curriculum. (If these individuals do not practice exclusively obese activity, then, by definition, they can choose not to be obese.) By the principles of genetics, exclusively obesity practitioners would cause such types of individuals to appear in the population at no greater rate than that of other genetic disorders which prevent their victims from enjoying life to the fullest, not the currently observed proportion of the population.


The argument can be twisted to anything. I have a cheesecake habit but don't demand any special recognition. It's my CHOICE! There is no cheesecake gene.


44 posted on 05/29/2006 2:24:32 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: rfreedom4u
The argument can be twisted to anything. I have a cheesecake habit but don't demand any special recognition. It's my CHOICE! There is no cheesecake gene.

The argument is pure logic. Logical arguments must be both sound and valid, meaning that their premises must be true and the syllogism is free of logic fallacies. In the case I presented both criteria are met. There is no “twisting” as you put it.

The presence or absence of any particular gene is irrelevant to the point of the argument. The point is simply that an individual acts either voluntarily or as the result of a psychosis. In either case, homosexual behavior is not entitled to any special acknowledgements or privileges.

I hope this has clarified the argument for you.
45 posted on 05/29/2006 2:50:19 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: DBeers

What's with the seemingly cheap shot against creationists, I wonder?


46 posted on 05/29/2006 2:51:11 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Good guys" aren't always "nice guys".)
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To: Lucky Dog

In either case, homosexual behavior is not entitled to any special acknowledgements or privileges.

I agree completely.


47 posted on 05/29/2006 4:19:17 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: rfreedom4u
I agree completely.

Spread the news.
48 posted on 05/29/2006 4:47:03 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: DBeers

Why don't the ex-homosexuals simply create a course program and take it to the school board for use as "approved materials".

How about using the referendum process to force school boards to present the ex-homosexual information? Many boards even have diversity boards that are subject to judicial review if they fail to present "diversity" to the students.


49 posted on 05/29/2006 4:53:41 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Lucky Dog; balrog666; Sir Francis Dashwood; supercat; DBeers

I read so many posts on FR from individuals who put an incredible amount of energy into the arguement that homosexuality is a 'choice'. I really don't understand why this arguement is emphasised so much. Why is it so important a point?
Whether it's a choice or not, homosexual activity is not right. Even if it's a genetic error in some homosexuals, it doesn't give it any more validity.

None of the arguements for it being exclusively a phsychosis, a choice, or a genetic flaw has been proven beyond doubt, and maybe they are all true in varying degrees in different individuals.

Whatever... we really don't know for sure, and I don't see how it really matters.
Homosexual activity is destructive and negative, and should be contained in society, whatever the cause.

Can someone enlighten me to why the cause of homosexuality is so important?


50 posted on 05/30/2006 3:53:37 AM PDT by mikeyc
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