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Why I Boycotted President Fox(At least one person in Sacramento has some stones!)
California Chronicle ^ | May 26, 2006 | Assemblyman Ray Haynes

Posted on 05/28/2006 5:18:51 PM PDT by kellynla

The President of Mexico, Vicente Fox, spoke to the California State Legislature on Thursday; this while the U.S. Senate was voting on an immigration bill. I chose not to go to the Fox speech. Since many people may misconstrue what occurred, I believe a statement explaining my actions is needed.

I have been in the Legislature for some time, and I have seen many heads of state pass through. The American Republic and its operations are fascinating to these foreign politicians, and addressing the California Legislature is often a high point in many dignitaries' travels.

Appropriate decorum dictates that we as Legislators be polite and treat these visitors with the respect their positions deserve.

However, most of these dignitaries are visiting our country to see it at work, and to talk with government officials to help their businesses trade with businesses in California, or to establish some sort of government to government relationship. They are not usually in this country, and in our state, to lobby Congress or the state for a change in policy.

President Fox's trip had no other purpose. He was in this country addressing Legislative bodies for the sole purpose of trying to change U.S. immigration policy. He has continually complained about our policy, openly questioned the legality of Bush putting National Guard units on the border, and even complained when Governor Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill which would have given California driver's licenses to illegal aliens. Throughout the last several years, he has encouraged his citizens to immigrate to this country illegally, and has, in many ways, benefited from that illegal immigration. When his citizens come to California, our taxpayers pick up their medical bills, pay for their education, food, clothing and housing. In return, these Mexican citizens usually take most of their earnings and send them back to Mexico. The relationship is all to Mexico's benefit, and not much help to California.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; callegislature; fox; foxvisit; haynes; rayhaynes; texicoforever; vicentefox
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1 posted on 05/28/2006 5:18:53 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla
Why does it take "stones" to boycott a speech?
2 posted on 05/28/2006 5:19:45 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: kellynla

"So when President Fox came to California to promote amnesty for the Mexican nationals that have broken our laws, I found his presence here to be arrogant and offensive. Many of the Mexican citizens who come to the United States illegally are the "social problems" of Mexico.

The corruption, the favoritism, the oppressive government has left many of these people in abject poverty, and, if they didn't come to the United States, they would probably start a revolution in Mexico. Fox wants us to relieve the political tension that these social problems would cause.

So why should I sanction this visit? Why should I sit and listen to lies and propaganda meant to influence the legislative passage of a bill in Congress with which I vehemently disagree? We need to enforce our laws first, not listen to the President of Mexico ask us to pay for his social problems. He should go back to Mexico, fix his economy, fix his corrupt government, and quit sending us his social problems.

I couldn't say that to him because he would not meet with us to hear these words. So I greeted him with silence. It wasn't disrespectful. It was protest. It is how I would treat any lobbyist who was pushing me to do something I thought was wrong. More important, it was wrong of the leadership of the California Legislature to aid and abet his lobbying effort.

I wasn't going to sanction it at any level, so I left, and encouraged others to do the same. It was the right thing to do."


Assemblyman Ray Haynes represents the 66th Assembly District, which includes portions of Western Riverside County and Northern San Diego County.


3 posted on 05/28/2006 5:20:38 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Texasforever

So you'd go and kiss the toes Sr. Pres. Fox?


4 posted on 05/28/2006 5:21:26 PM PDT by steveo (Fathers Against Rude Television: You may already be a member)
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To: kellynla

He was just visiting his Northernmost Territory.


5 posted on 05/28/2006 5:22:09 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: steveo
So you'd go and kiss the toes Sr. Pres. Fox?

I just asked why it takes "stones" to boycott a speech?

6 posted on 05/28/2006 5:22:19 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

well if you have to ask then you don't have a clue.

and I don't have the time or the inclination to teach you Mexican history including the tons of illegal drugs and millions of illegal aliens that Fox has allowed into CA and America.


7 posted on 05/28/2006 5:23:58 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
well if you have to ask then you don't have a clue.

Was he under some type of threat before his boycott?

8 posted on 05/28/2006 5:25:03 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
He will be looked down upon by his peers now.

Politicians are supposed to all line up in lockstep with His Excellency V. Fox.

It doesn't take "stones" IMO.

It takes character and a love for the sovereignty of the United States of America.
9 posted on 05/28/2006 5:27:42 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Syncro
He will be looked down upon by his peers now.

Oh PEER pressure. Is he in highschool?

10 posted on 05/28/2006 5:29:02 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

Because he'll have the race card played on him. Some presidents can't even say the word "illegal"--


11 posted on 05/28/2006 5:29:12 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
Because he'll have the race card played on him. Some presidents can't even say the word "illegal"--

I see. So it's a sticks and stones type deal. Got ya.

12 posted on 05/28/2006 5:30:06 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
I am sure when you get through with high school you will learn the definition of peer and peer pressure.

Until then don't bother trying to steer threads astray OK?

13 posted on 05/28/2006 5:34:05 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: kellynla
What Americans should focus on is the REAL construct of Mexico's Federal government dominated by its small ruling class (wealthy elitists) members of whom more than one half are descended from second tier nazi bureaucrats who fled when Allies were entering Germany. The next time some insipid and delusional liberal democrat worries about republicans driving America into becoming a "police state", point out to the idiot that Mexico is the prototypical "police state."
14 posted on 05/28/2006 5:34:47 PM PDT by purpleland (Elegy 9/11/01 Vigilance and Valor! Socialism is the Opiate of Academia)
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To: Mamzelle
You know, noticing that someone stands up for his own country is one way to draw attn to how many do not.

Considering how Bush makes cow's eyes at Vicente, a Republican bucks his leadership by boycotting.

15 posted on 05/28/2006 5:35:07 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Syncro
am sure when you get through with high school you will learn the definition of peer and peer pressure.

So it wasn't peer pressure? Ok What is the threat he is under from this heroic act?

16 posted on 05/28/2006 5:35:42 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Syncro; Texasforever
Don't let the pro-illegals around here bug ya Syncro.

Just ignore them and work as hard as you can to see that the Senate bill which Presidente Fox likes so much dies a long, slow, painful, public death in the House.

L

17 posted on 05/28/2006 5:37:21 PM PDT by Lurker (Real conservatives oppose the Presidents amnesty proposal. Help make sure it dies in the House.)
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To: Lurker

Can you tell me why this boycott toke "stones"?


18 posted on 05/28/2006 5:37:55 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
ya know before you jump into a thread, you might take the time to actually read the entire piece...
and it's quite obvious that you hadn't since you took less than a minute to post from the time I posted the thread.
Another Bushbot BUSTED!
19 posted on 05/28/2006 5:38:11 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
I just read the entire thing from the link. He didn't mention anything that placed him at risk for this particular boycott. Does he represent a large Hispanic constituency that may cost him his seat?
20 posted on 05/28/2006 5:39:51 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
You can't be on both sides of the fence. You said it was peer pressure. Now you say it isn't. Make up your mind.

No threat was mentioned or implied on this thread.

Why don't you make your own thread titled

"Why I Boycotted President Fox" (I was threatened!)

Be sure to show the link with the treat in it.

21 posted on 05/28/2006 5:41:14 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Syncro

typo: treat=threat


22 posted on 05/28/2006 5:41:54 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Texasforever
I'm not the one who posited that it did. Why don't you ask him or her yourself?

I'm not in the habit of speaking for others.

L

23 posted on 05/28/2006 5:42:15 PM PDT by Lurker (Real conservatives oppose the Presidents amnesty proposal. Help make sure it dies in the House.)
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To: Syncro
No threat was mentioned or implied on this thread.

That is obvious. What is not so obvious is why, faced with no actual threat, it takes "stones" to boycott a speech.

24 posted on 05/28/2006 5:42:41 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Lurker
I'm not the one who posited that it did. Why don't you ask him or her yourself?

I did ask her. You jumped into this I didn't ask for that did I?

25 posted on 05/28/2006 5:44:46 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: kellynla
"Throughout the last several years, he has encouraged his citizens to immigrate to this country illegally, and has, in many ways, benefited from that illegal immigration. When his citizens come to California, our taxpayers pick up their medical bills, pay for their education, food, clothing and housing. In return, these Mexican citizens usually take most of their earnings and send them back to Mexico. The relationship is all to Mexico's benefit, and not much help to California."

This is one guy that definitely gets it.
26 posted on 05/28/2006 5:48:16 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Texasforever

It's obvious you are not interested in the content of this thread, but seem to be obsessed with "stones".

Quite Freudian.

You might want to get help with that.


27 posted on 05/28/2006 5:49:11 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Syncro
It's obvious you are not interested in the content of this thread, but seem to be obsessed with "stones".

Uh, read the article title.

28 posted on 05/28/2006 5:49:52 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Lurker

Oh they don't Lurker. They are fun to play with when I have a few extra moments to do so.

This particular one's only purpose here is to sow contention and think about a Politicians stones.

Sad


29 posted on 05/28/2006 5:52:15 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Jameison

"This is one guy that definitely gets it."

Exactly, too bad W doesn't!

and we won't even get into the TONS OF ILLEGALS DRUGS that Fox allows into California with a wink and a nod!


30 posted on 05/28/2006 5:54:19 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Texasforever
Here let me say it again.

I'll do it slowly, and highlight the word "content"

It's obvious you are not interested in the content of this thread, but seem to be obsessed with "stones".

Yes, I realize you only see the title, but the content is posted also.

We have already discussed stones, stones being in the title. Stones that belong to a male politician.

There, I hope that stops you from jonesing

31 posted on 05/28/2006 5:57:24 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: HiJinx; A. Pole

ping


32 posted on 05/28/2006 5:57:50 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Syncro
So, did she mean gall stones, kidney stones, Rolling Stones?
33 posted on 05/28/2006 5:58:39 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Mamzelle
Some presidents can't even say the word "illegal"--

Correct. Just "undocumented."

34 posted on 05/28/2006 5:59:52 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Texasforever
Well you have a sense of humor.

Who'd've thunk it?

Nice avoidance syndrome kid.
35 posted on 05/28/2006 6:00:21 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Syncro
Nice avoidance syndrome kid.

LOL Kid. Thanks. I see now that the article title just contained a bit of hyperbole. That's fine.

36 posted on 05/28/2006 6:02:25 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever
I didn't ask for that did I?

In life we quite frequently are blessed with that which we did not ask for and conversely we don't get many of the things we would most dearly like.

It's a conundrum which has bedeviled mankind from our earliest days on the planet. (Sorry you ID folks, it's just a figure of speech.)

Mature adults learn to deal with this and not repeatedly ask petulantly phrased questions over and over again even when it has become painfully obvious to all concerned that no answer will be forthcoming.

I frequently have to explain this fact of life to my 11 year old when he is behaving, well; much like you are now. He is learning to deal with it pretty well. Hopefully some day you will as well.

I bid you good fortune on the road to adulthood.

Regards,

L

37 posted on 05/28/2006 6:04:31 PM PDT by Lurker (Real conservatives oppose the Presidents amnesty proposal. Help make sure it dies in the House.)
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To: Lurker
frequently have to explain this fact of life to my 11 year old when he is behaving, well; much like you are now. He is learning to deal with it pretty well. Hopefully some day you will as well.

I see, so you are used to arguing on the level of an 11 year old. That explains a lot.

38 posted on 05/28/2006 6:05:55 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: kellynla

No! Guys like this are part of the problem. I have been hearing people from San Diego piss and moan for years. Yet, for some reason, they were too timid to take this problem on and have waited for someone else to do it. One of the richest communities in the world can't even fix its own fence. This is a sickness. Intruders running through your back yard at night, what do you do? E.T. phone home.


39 posted on 05/28/2006 6:07:17 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt

"Guys like this are part of the problem?"
No guys like your governor's brother are.


Let us know when you move to CA.


Until then, we won't tell you how to deal with people floating on your shores so don't tell us how to deal with illegals crossing the Mexican border. Which you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Borders and illegals are the feds responsibility and because your governor's brother refuses to enforce the laws and secure the borders; the Minuteman Project was formed to help GWB do his job. BTW, we are in the process of building a fence AT OUR COST! A fence that GWB has failed to build!


40 posted on 05/28/2006 6:20:06 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Texasforever
see, so you are used to arguing on the level of an 11 year old. That explains a lot.

It certainly does, doesn't it. And right now it seems the most appropriate way to deal with the current situation between you and I.

As I said, best of luck to you on the long, arduous road to being a grown up.

L

41 posted on 05/28/2006 6:21:46 PM PDT by Lurker (Real conservatives oppose the Presidents amnesty proposal. Help make sure it dies in the House.)
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To: kellynla

I, for one, will not feed the trolls.

Haynes is one of the best people in the CA legislature. He speaks clearly and without the politically correct garbage we get from even many other Republican politicians. Thanks for sharing the article with us.


42 posted on 05/28/2006 6:22:43 PM PDT by fifedom
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To: Lurker
It certainly does, doesn't it. And right now it seems the most appropriate way to deal with the current situation between you and

Well I guess we ain't going to be bestest buddies anymore. I am truly heart broken.

43 posted on 05/28/2006 6:23:31 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

Was there any other assembly, or senators to refrain from attending? Are they all just a bunch of lemmings. I fully expected Vincent Fox to declare himself president of Alta California. Send our governor packing, and we'd all be leaving our homes, because in Mexico, only Mexicans can own land at least in most of it.


44 posted on 05/28/2006 6:28:12 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Texasforever

"I see, so you are used to arguing on the level of an 11 year old. That explains a lot."


ya know you came on my thread and posted your lame remark before I even had a chance to post the entire piece; so the only one who needs to grow up is YOU!


If you had bothered to read the ENTIRE PIECE you would have known the answer to your "question." But you obviously weren't interested in information, debate and/or a dialogue.

I gave up on flame baiters like you years ago.
So don't waste my time.

Class dismissed!


45 posted on 05/28/2006 6:28:17 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: television is just wrong
Was there any other assembly, or senators to refrain from attending?

Well he implied in the article that he asked others to join him. He didn't say if any did. It appears to me he didn't get the publicity he wanted so he wrote the article to explain questions that never were asked.

46 posted on 05/28/2006 6:32:51 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: kellynla
ya know you came on my thread and posted your lame remark before I even had a chance to post the entire piece; so the only one who needs to grow up is YOU!

Sorry but you editorial remarks is what brought me to the article. It appeared that he has paid a heavy price for his actions hence the "stones" remark. So far all I see is a guy that wrote an article bringing attention to his own actions. Sounds a bit self serving to me.

47 posted on 05/28/2006 6:35:37 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

Dennis Hollingsworth, Jim Battin, John Benoit, Russ Bogh, Ray Haynes, Tom McClintock, Chuck Devore, all did not attend.
Before you make snide, uninformed remarks do some homework.


48 posted on 05/28/2006 6:37:49 PM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana

Well the article didn't say that did it? I made no snide remarks about the article. I made snide remarks about the editorial comments.


49 posted on 05/28/2006 6:39:25 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

Hence my remark about doing your homework.

"So far all I see is a guy that wrote an article bringing attention to his own actions. Sounds a bit self serving to me."

I would call that a snide, uninformed remark.


50 posted on 05/28/2006 6:40:53 PM PDT by sheana
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