Skip to comments.House Chief says 'No' to Amnesty Bill(At least one Congressman is listening!)
Posted on 05/29/2006 5:48:27 AM PDT by kellynla
The House's lead negotiator on immigration yesterday called the Senate legislation passed last week "amnesty" for illegal aliens that his chamber will not accept, setting up a showdown between the House and the Senate, which have passed widely differing bills.
The Senate bill mirrors the House version in its provisions to tighten border security, but includes a "guest-worker" program proposed by President Bush and offers illegals in the United States what proponents call a "path to citizenship."
"The words 'path to citizenship' is a buzzword for amnesty. We ought to be honest, it is amnesty," said Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., Wisconsin Republican and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
"What the Senate [has done is] throw up their hands, say, 'Give them amnesty' ... and allow them to stay. That's not fair because it gives a reward to a lawbreaker, but it also is unfair to people who are standing in queue to become legal immigrants."
Asked whether he would accept a compromise bill that allows a path to citizenship, Mr. Sensenbrenner responded with a flat "no."
"Amnesty is wrong, and we should not pass it," he said.
He supports the bill passed by the House, which is mostly limited to border enforcement and cracking down on employers who hire illegal aliens.
"What we have to do is first secure the border, and then we have to turn off the magnet that brings more illegal immigrants into our country. Once we do that, and we know it's effective, then we can figure out what to do with the 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants that are already here," he said.
The congressman said the Senate bill, unlike the House version, does not require employers to verify documents provided by illegal aliens,
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Adjustments should be forthcoming in conference. One would hope.
How dramatic. They aren't illegal simply for being.
We don't need another bill; what we need is enforcement of the present laws, thank you!
It is interesting that Hayworth voted against the House bill.
The Senate bill goes too far in the full pardon direction.
Ben there done that..didn't work.
It is up to us, today, tomorrow, and daily thereafter, to call our House Reps and tell them not to follow the folly of those in the Senate. Tell them that their political lives depend on it.
ID cards only work only if everyone has them, citizens included. Otherwise those illegals from Europe would be able to slip through the cracks in the system.
One, the people and government of Mexico behave as if they had some God-given right to determine our immigration policies and,
Two, the people using the cheap labor are not paying the full cost of it. They are basically freeloading and forcing the American taxpayers to bear the main costs of having all these "guest workers" here.
Its not clear to me that we need "guest workers"; the country ran pretty well without them all through the 1950s.
Nonetheless, if George Bush or the US senate feels we need guest workers, my reply would be:
Fine, but two conditions: One, seal the border with Mexico and set up some point of departure offshore or on Guantonimo and let EVERYBODY in south-central America have a shot at it and not just Mexicans, and two, see to it that whoever uses the guest workers pays the entire cost of having them here including medical and educational expenses. Do not send the American taxpayer any bills for it.
That statement is infuriating.
"ID cards only work only if everyone has them"
well we all "have them";
we just don't have "tamper proof" ID's...
Why shouldn't we deport them?
The Senate bill is both an "abomination" (Charles Krauthammer) and "shameful" (Sen. Jeff Sessions.) Aside from surrendering our sovereignty, it legally transfers from 10 to 20 percent of the population of Mexico into the United States, and loads that population with benefits our already strained treasury cannot afford: Social Security retirement and Medicaid (both we are told are already going broke,) EITC (i.e. welfare), and being Hispanic (defined as a "protected class") they will be immediately entitled to affirmative action, job and education preferences, and all that goes with that.
We are finding out who is willing to look reality in the eye. James Sensenbrenner is one. J.D. Hayworth is another.
it's more than infuriating...it is OUTRAGEOUS!
now I would expect that response from the 'Rats but to have that come out of the mouth of Karl Rove is despicable!
It includes much more than that. Also buried in this treasonous bill is retroactive access to the Earned Income Tax credit; federal worker protections unavailable to most Americans; 100 to 400 percent increases in family-based visas (e.g., accelerated visas to your 40-year-old brother or sister); *more* H1B visas; making it a federal crime for local LEOs to ask about immigration status; etc etc etc.
This thing is a travesty.
Well, let me give you something to consider--and it worked in those days.
In the 60s and 70s, the Border Patrol had a major facility near Los Fresnos, TX with a large holding "pen". It was sanitary, had all of quality facilities and advantages of that era: medical, housing, food service/processing, etc. That's where illegal aliens were kept until final processing for deportation. Most decided that they'd had enough of that once they got back home to Mexico (and elsewhere). You can appreciate that the bureaucracy took a bit of time before the processing was finalized.
Well then we got PC, so here we are being inundated or invaded with these people waving their damned flag in our faces defying our common-sense laws. You know, controlled immigration is a HEALTH issue as well, so we need to quit with the heart-strings pulling phony stories, they need to GO HOME, rather BE SENT home.
Exactly! There are people who have legitimate concerns over this terrible problem, and want to do something about it. He's dismissing all of those people as being bigots.
That POS deserves whatever comes to him!
"retroactive access to the Earned Income Tax credit; federal worker protections unavailable to most Americans; 100 to 400 percent increases in family-based visas (e.g., accelerated visas to your 40-year-old brother or sister); *more* H1B visas; making it a federal crime for local LEOs to ask about immigration status"
Thank you for pointing that out!
It's not necessary for all of the ones already here to be deported unless we leave the borders wide open for more of them to come.
Hence comprehensive reform.
Now if you leave the border wide open..I'd say start the roundup Cowboy, the wild ones are out of the fence.
Dang..sounds like Clinton's definition of what "is" is. You lost me at hello.
Lets face it, the vast majority of these people have not just crossed our border illegally. The vast majority have also committed the following FELONIES.
1) Possession and Use of Fraudulent ID card
2) Possession and Use of Fraudulent Social Security Number
4) Tax Evasion
They are criminals.
To say they did it out of desperation gives an excuse for the poor guy who robs a bank or 711 because he is broke. Poverty is no excuse for criminal behavior.
They should overthrow their corrupt government rather than come to our country and cheat our system.
I with you here. Things are not the same post 9/11. I don't want them to just go home and not solve the problem. Our national security is at stake now.
Well he certainly has a problem compartmentalizing a policy dispute over high principle from a blatant projection of his own internal demons.
You sound like you're parroting Frist's latest talking points, which I find Orwellian. Giving amnesty is actually a threat to our national security as we could build steel walls around the country and illegals will find a way in knowing they'll be eventually rewarded. You're also not factoring in family chain laws, which by itself could bring upwards of 40 million relatives of the amnestied into the US.
If you personally believe securing the border needs to come first why did you vote for the amnesty bill? Oh, right, because you are a coward.
i>Sen. Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Senate minority whip, said he agreed that border enforcement has to be the first priority and that employers must be reminded they will be held accountable if they hire illegal workers, a law passed in 1986 but sporadically enforced. "And then, finally, we have to deal with the people who are here living in the shadows. It's not amnesty. It's not automatic," Mr. Durbin said. "As Senator Frist explained, it's a long, tough process that many of them will not complete successfully, but at least gives them a chance."
LOL!! Sure, it ain't amnesty and the sky outside my window isn't blue today.
Turbin and Frist are caving a bit here. They are on defensive. Good.
Hayworth further said that he approached GWB about the problem and later spoke to Karl Rove. Rove's response was "you just have a problem with Brown people."
Yep. 70-80% of the American people are bigots. Or do they just think they are misinformed while it's only conservatives that are bigots?
I am thrilled to learn what the administration I supported for six years and helped re-elect really thinks of me. Too bad they didn't pull this before the election huh? If they had told us then they considered us 1) Sexists 2) Racists and 3) Elitists I don't think they'd have won.
For the record, Karl, SEXISTS look at the Supreme Court and see a "woman" seat, whereas people that respect intellect, accomplishment and the Constitution are gender blind. Which is why we would have supported brown or Jones just as we supported Roberts and Alito.
For the record, Karl, elitists make known they don't give a damn what the People want only granting McCain right of access to the W.H. policy process. Only Elitists pick their personal underqulified friend to fill a slot on the Supreme Court.
For the record, Karl, people that see everything through race believe they think alike, act alike, and will vote alike. Did you know, Karl, that not all Hispanics support amnesty? Infact a Large minority do not.
Whereas conservatives believe if you enable an environment where people are NOT reliant on Government and can care for themselves they'll realize their potential more then not and vote according to these interests without being insulted by payoffs that keep them barely scraping by in low income jobs.
Conservatives, Karl, also believe in that founding document that enabled the "pathway" for your boss to be elected. We don't conveniently support ripping it to shreds while you pander for the next voting block that will spurn you and still choose Democrats.
Time you put Americans first, obeyed that founding document, and stopped insulting the people that got you to Washington by repeating craven faslehoods the Liberals toss at us. Unless you have found you share more in common with Liberals?
well CA allowed Vicente Fox to come here and try and tell us what we can and shouldn't do about illegals...
this clown should stay in Mexico and solve his own problems instead of dumping them on our back porch!
I see, so you think that people think these people are ILLEGAL. What they really think is these people are ILLEGALS, there is a world of diference. They are breaking the law and most of them are felons because they are using false ID, which was a felony last time I looked.
They have chosen to start a life here as criminals and should be punished for it as well as the employers who hire them. We should be calling for the impeachment of all federal officials that are not enforcing the existing laws, including our POTUS if he continues to insist on this insane policy.
I wonder if Rove, if confronted with a Reaganesque REJECTION of "W's" Amnesty bill (and Meese has said he would) would say that Reagan "has a problem with brown people."...?
This slanderous defamation has been consistently launched by these thinly-veiled liberals in the White House. They snuck by pretending to be conservative. On some issues they openly proclaimed they were. They made promises. But they always expected to be given a 'free pass' to push through their multiculturalist Globalism agenda here...which totally belies their claims to conservative principle. They can't deny that they are inconsistent. This behavior goes far beyond the Illegal issue. Note the Spin operations on Free Trade, and attacks on those worried about National Decline, and National Security ...as "cowards" and being for "retreat", and "protectionism" etc...
Ever wonder why no MSM every asks W precisely why that would be bad? As if that were REALLY bad. He needs to be pointedly challenged on that. As Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-CA) says: "I think America is WORTH protecting."
I'm looking at it from a legal and logical standpoint and staying away from the emotionally charged MSM version.
A compromise between the House and the Senate should work out any problems with more legal immigrants coming. Limits on immigration will start with solving the illegal problem and that is good for this country post 9/11.
I wouldn't trust everything you hear on Bill's program - or are you pro-abortion too? As for Sensenbrenner, the "House's lead negotiator on immigration" - does anyone know if he is even on the Conference Committee?
Source for Reagan's regret, please?
That's the whole point, amnesty is not in the best interests of the country. It didn't work the first time it was tried, even loyal Reagan advisors admit that today so there's no reason to believe it'll do any better the second time around.
One points to a person being unpardonable. There are a few crimes most people call unpardonable...trying to come to America has never been one of those.
Now if you could get a few Mexicans to put on bomb belts and blow up some stuff I might move in your direction.
Can't seem to make up your mind can you? One post your are all for ILLEGALS streaming across our border, next you are shouting for national security. Can't have it both ways.
Your open border stance is very transparent.
Here's a clue, you can't have the border unsecured and expect to have national security. YOu can't let law breakers go unpinished and expect others to obey the law.
As far as your "been there done that" statement on enforceing the law, you obviously aren't very old or you would know we used to enforce it quite nicely and could still do so if our elected officials would only allow it and quit hampering our border patrol.
But, they are kinda between a rock and a hard place - if they do pass a solution (at least what you and I would consider a "solution"), most of their base here at FR will abandon them come Election Day.
"I wouldn't trust everything you hear on Bill's program"
so are you saying that J.D. Hayworth lied about what Karl Rove said?
if you're gonna make excuses for Rove & Bush at least don't insult my intelligence.
When were the existing laws enforced? I graduated from high school in 1986 and I'm still waiting to see some enforcement.
Our pathetic "elite" is now down to the race card to impose the third world upon us. If we destroy the race card liberalism dies, as it should.
Wild open borders are so pre-9/11. Don't quit your day job as a psychic.
This legislation (a compromise between the House and the Senate) should pass for the sake of national security.
Over 6 million illegal aliens have been expelled from the U.S. since Bush took office - if you are "still waiting to see some enforcement" then you are not looking.
Oh, I see, bringing in desease, killing americans in traffic accidents, killing Americans in crimes, taking up 25 percent of our jail space, draining the life out of a lot of our ERs isn't enough for you! Here's another clue, more people in the US have been killed by ILLEGAL ALIENS since 9/11 then were killed at the world trade center and the pentagon on 9/11. I guess this isn't enough people for you, huh?
The truth is I don't want YOU moving in my direction, you are far to stupid to ever hold a coherent thought about this problem.
Anyone who thinks that the only people comming across our borders are nice, likeable, hardworking folks is just to stupid for words, and that includes W and Rove. Thanks and have a nice day!
I was not there to hear what Karl Rove said - neither were you - I therefore cannot tell if he lied.
"Honest" people have more respect for the law when the law knows their address.
We have got to round these people up.