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Pace: Ongoing Probes Will Yield Facts About Haditha Incident
American Forces Press Service ^ | John D. Banusiewicz

Posted on 05/29/2006 11:22:01 AM PDT by SandRat

WASHINGTON, May 29, 2006 – No good can come of speculation surrounding a Nov. 19 incident in Haditha, Iraq, in which 24 Iraqi civilians, including women and children, were killed in the aftermath of a roadside bomb attack, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said today. Marine Gen. Peter Pace also stressed that investigations into alleged misconduct by U.S. Marines in the incident are not yet complete.

Appearing on CNN's "American Morning" for what was to have been an interview focusing on the nation's Memorial Day observance today, Pace told Miles O'Brien that two investigations are still in progress: one to find out what happened, and another to find out why senior officials were not aware of the misconduct allegations until February.

"We will find out what happened, and we'll make it public," Pace said. "But to speculate right now wouldn't do anybody any good."

Army Lt. Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, commander of Multinational Corps Iraq, initiated a preliminary investigation Feb. 14 when reporters told U.S. officials about allegations of possible violations of the rules of engagement by Marines. In a March 17 news conference, the general said he had ordered further investigation based on the results of the initial probe.

"I understand it's going to be a couple of more weeks before those investigations are complete, and we should not prejudge the outcome," Pace said today. "But we should, in fact, as leaders, take on the responsibility to get out and talk to our troops and make sure that they understand that what 99.9 percent of them are doing, which is fighting with honor and courage, is exactly what we expect of them."

Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Michael W. Hagee is in Iraq doing just that, the chairman said, "because regardless of where this investigation goes, we want to ensure that our troops understand what's expected of them in combat."

Asked if he suspects that a cover-up at lower levels of command caused the delay between the incident and senior officials becoming aware of possible misconduct, Pace said he doesn't suspect anything, but rather is waiting for the investigation to yield the facts.

"If the allegations, as they're being portrayed in the newspaper, turn out to be valid, then of course there will be charges," he said. "But we don't know yet what the outcome will be. It'll take its course. It will be made public, and we'll all be able to make our own judgments."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: facts; general; haditha; incident; iraq; ongoing; pace; probes; yield

1 posted on 05/29/2006 11:22:04 AM PDT by SandRat
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To: 91B; HiJinx; Spiff; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; clintonh8r; TEXOKIE; windchime; Grampa Dave; ...
Here's hopes and prayers that the investigation will exonerate the Marines and then National Retribution is levied upon Murtha and all the rest that have besmirched our Marines.
2 posted on 05/29/2006 11:23:36 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

"No good can come of speculation surrounding a Nov. 19 incident in Haditha, Iraq..."


Which is probably why Rep. Murtha is flying around the country crowing about war crimes to anyone who will listen. He means no good.


3 posted on 05/29/2006 11:26:57 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SandRat
Here is the IED crater in Haditha that killed Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas on 11/19/2005. It could have been my son, but he happened to be with another company that week. He took this picture on patrol 11/27/2005.

IED Crater

4 posted on 05/29/2006 11:40:38 AM PDT by PogySailor (Waiting for hurricane season to wash away the love bugs.)
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To: SandRat
Pace said he doesn't suspect anything, but rather is waiting for the investigation to yield the facts.

Unlike lowlife Jack Murtha, General Pace not only is giving our military the presumption of innocence, but understands the basic principle of American law.

May God bless all our military on this Memorial Day.

5 posted on 05/29/2006 11:40:43 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Brilliant

I'd like to draw his Marine Saber from it's scabbard as Mush-Mouth Murtha stood at attention, snap the blade across my knee, hold the two pieces in my left hand spit on them and toss both pieces away. That's the insult I'd like to give Mush-Mouth Murtha.


6 posted on 05/29/2006 11:42:34 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Oh by the way. None of the Marines involved knew there was anything being investigated until several days before they were to go home. Several had already received Purple Hearts for injuries received in the firefight.
7 posted on 05/29/2006 11:44:25 AM PDT by PogySailor (Waiting for hurricane season to wash away the love bugs.)
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To: PogySailor

May you continue to be so blessed.


8 posted on 05/29/2006 11:46:36 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat; smoothsailing; Coop; Just A Nobody; freema

Ping for General Pace.

Support Diana Irey for Congress

http://www.irey.com/


9 posted on 05/29/2006 11:54:36 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: SandRat
We should make sure no one in Haditha ever dies again. Remove all the inhabitants then Level Haditha ........and Ramadi for good measure.
10 posted on 05/29/2006 12:17:40 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: TomasUSMC

Make a repeat on Monte-Casino of it you say????


11 posted on 05/29/2006 12:20:45 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: ktvaughn
No good can come of speculation surrounding a Nov. 19 incident in Haditha, Iraq, in which 24 Iraqi civilians, including women and children, were killed in the aftermath of a roadside bomb attack, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said today. Marine Gen. Peter Pace also stressed that investigations into alleged misconduct by U.S. Marines in the incident are not yet complete.

How about that?

12 posted on 05/29/2006 12:49:27 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: SandRat; TomasUSMC

Don't listen to ol' "Nuke Mecca" Tommy.


13 posted on 05/29/2006 12:50:35 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: smoothsailing; freema; Just A Nobody; bert; W04Man; NYleatherneck; xpertskir; Retain Mike; ...

It's a shame we can't find a few politicians, besides Ms. Irey, to make similar statements.


14 posted on 05/29/2006 12:52:27 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: PogySailor

God bless your son for his service, and your family for your sacrifices. Thank you for the details on this tragedy.


15 posted on 05/29/2006 12:54:08 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop

His opinion, Coop, and he is entitled to it. For the record, I HAVE NOT speculated anything-only reported accounts as I have read them for discussion. This is my last reply to you--you certainly have a bee in your bonnet WRT my comments. Here's an idea, don't read them.


16 posted on 05/29/2006 1:02:34 PM PDT by ktvaughn (I avoid cliches like the plague...)
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To: PogySailor

Thanks for the picture...and thank you son for his service to our country..

I will pray that he comes home safe to you, soon.

Yours is the first post that I have seen about this that says that the Marines supposedly involved in this didn't even KNOW about it until much later???

A lot of this is not making sense...if you are going to believe Murtha, that is.


17 posted on 05/29/2006 1:23:30 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: SandRat; Aussie Dasher; VOA; All

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Gen. PETER PACE is THE Greatest.


Transcript: Gen. PETER PACE on *Fox News Sunday*

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1546978/posts

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18 posted on 05/29/2006 1:32:17 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: SandRat
John McCain on CNN right now...says this story is "apparently true"...and that he and Sen. Warner are going to hold hearings about it.

Please tell me how these hot-shots can hold hearings before we even know what happened??
19 posted on 05/29/2006 1:32:18 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: SandRat
""because regardless of where this investigation goes, we want to ensure that our troops understand what's expected of them in combat."
Oh. They know fully well what is expected of them. If they didn't, there would be a few hundred thousand Iraqi killed at this point. Need I say more.
Besides. As some of us know. Literally thousands of Iraqi insurgents in the past where allowed to escape, as they mixed with innocent men, women, and children. General Pace and others at every available press conference should shove the facts up the rear ends of the mostly mindless reporters on the facts.
20 posted on 05/29/2006 1:36:26 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Txsleuth
They need to be shut down by the DOJ for impeding an ongoing criminal investigation.
21 posted on 05/29/2006 1:48:02 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
As a former combat infantryman (11B20) this really p*sses me off. When civilians are killed by an air-strike or artillery the deaths, albeit tragic, are considered collateral damage and a natural consequence of war. When an E3 infantryman returns fire or is forced to make a split second life or death decision and there is collateral damage we bring in the media, the military lawyers and the antiwar crowd crying for their scalps. This is because our leaders (Bush included) do not have the guts or judgment that we expect from 19 year old soldiers. Happy Memorial Day.
22 posted on 05/29/2006 1:48:41 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: SandRat

I just finished reading a piece by Victor Davis Hansen about what America has accomplished since 9/11...which was refreshing after seeing McCain's mug on TV...

He went on and on about how Rummy had screwed up by not sending in enough troops to Iraq..and how many mistakes he has made, and is continuing to make...blah, blah, blah.


23 posted on 05/29/2006 1:55:10 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: ktvaughn
I will continue reading them and replying to them. Promise!

It should be noted that Mr. Murtha publicly accused Gen. Pace of lying. Brave accusation knowing the general cannot publicly criticize a member of Congress. But I imagine he was thinking about Jackie when making these comments.

24 posted on 05/29/2006 1:57:23 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Natural Law

Saddly it happens to the Cops on the beat as well.

Those who've never heard the buzz of the lead bee, go past their ears or felt it's sting are always the first to cry foul because they know not of that which they speak.

In the day's of hand-wringing sob-sisters (past, present and I'm sad to say in the days yet to come), many elected Representatives of the Republic (notice I didn't say leaders) and Officers of the Republic (pampered, perfumed political, princes instead of Laurel Wreathed Commanders of the Legions) give way to the cries of the host from the Circus-Maximus instead of following Honor.


25 posted on 05/29/2006 1:58:37 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Natural Law
This is because our leaders (Bush included) do not have the guts or judgment that we expect from 19 year old soldiers.

President Bush has more guts than you and me combined.

26 posted on 05/29/2006 2:00:59 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: PogySailor; SandRat; Coop
On behalf of my wife and I, It is an honor to be able to extend my heartfelt thanks to your son for his service.
27 posted on 05/29/2006 2:04:51 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission http://www.irey.com)
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To: smoothsailing

Thank God each generation has its heroes willing to step into uniform!


28 posted on 05/29/2006 2:06:47 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop; Txsleuth; smoothsailing
Thank you all for the thoughts. My son is back stateside now, but others are still in harms way. It is SHAMEFUL that Murtha is doing this. He practically has these young men convicted. What valuable the propaganda for Al Qaeda.
29 posted on 05/29/2006 4:41:10 PM PDT by PogySailor (Waiting for hurricane season to wash away the love bugs.)
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To: PogySailor

Somehow, I don't think the more than usual killing in Iraq, on OUR Memorial Day, is a coincidence.


30 posted on 05/29/2006 5:05:03 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: PogySailor

Oh, and thanks for letting us know your son is home...I am so very glad to hear that...please thank him for me.


31 posted on 05/29/2006 5:06:16 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Natural Law

When an E3 infantryman returns fire or is forced to make a split second life or death decision and there is collateral damage we bring in the media, the military lawyers and the antiwar crowd crying for their scalps. This is because our leaders (Bush included) do not have the guts or judgment that we expect from 19 year old soldiers.



Exactly!!!

To bad the media is not asking why the Iranians are not putting together a commission to investigate the terrorist acts by Iranians in Iraq.


32 posted on 05/29/2006 5:30:49 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: SandRat
Make a repeat on Monte-Casino of it you say????


Well thats a good start, but to much ruble left, leveling and salting like the Romans did at Carthage would be preferable.
33 posted on 05/29/2006 5:34:34 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: PogySailor

+


34 posted on 05/29/2006 5:44:54 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: SandRat

If Marines were set up by insurgents, they could be holding the survivors/neighbors 'hostage' Threatening them with some of their jolly little treats.

Of course, the Marines could be guilty...


of trying to save their own lives.


35 posted on 05/29/2006 5:48:41 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Coop

LOL--fine my friend. God Bless our troops--and you.


36 posted on 05/29/2006 6:09:57 PM PDT by ktvaughn (I avoid cliches like the plague...)
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To: SandRat

Needless to say, I don't know what happened in Haditha.

But I'm inclined to give the Marines the benefit of the doubt until something solid appears.

I remember last year when the media tried to nail a Lt. Pantano on similar charges, before he was ultimately exonerated. I would think that the same result is likely here.

My guess as to what happened? They failed in their efforts against Pantano, they're coming back with something else against different men.


37 posted on 05/29/2006 7:40:50 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: I_Like_Spam
This just up at Marines' Parents Say Photographing Deaths at Haditha Was Hard for Sons as an AP story.

Not sure what to make of it yet as haven't found the DOD reply yet.

38 posted on 05/29/2006 8:27:01 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Coop
There was a time when I would have agreed with you, but not now. Just like the Vietnam War where I was betrayed by our government our current desire to fight a kinder, gentler war is costing lives. I had a good friend seriously wounded and was refused permission to return fire. I see the same thing happening now.

1) We have already been there longer than WWII.

2) There is no real De-Baathification program. Saddam and his henchmen are still alive.

3) We tolerate, and even promote the religious fanatics and militias that are killing our GIs. Muktada al Sadr is still alive and causing problems

5) I can count of at least 5 public incidents were front line soldiers have had legal actions initiated for combat related incidents.

39 posted on 05/29/2006 10:57:09 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Peter Pace is awesome.


40 posted on 05/29/2006 11:05:34 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Natural Law; Coop

President Bush does NOT control the rules under which the military operates on the field of battle. There are military codes and military lawyers and the like...you must know that.

The decision WAS made at the highest level, no doubt, to work with the Iraqis that we could work with, as soon as we could do so. It was their country, not ours. We ousted Saddam and killed his sons. Yes, a lot of troubling stuff has happened and will. Like the Ayatollah Sistani for instance, Mr. Big of the Shias, does not want us to Kill Sadr. He believes it would go much worse for us to make him a martyr. So we have listened to his advice, as he has actually done MUCH to help us otherwise.

I am one who agrees with the judgement of the President that we should not have tried to lock down that country under the hammerlock of American force and power. Many people disagree with me and blame the President because we did not go in there and virtually destroy the place and what was left run it like a dictatorship. Fine. Disagree.

But Coop is right. The President has ten times the guts he even needs. You are drawing an unsupported conclusion that his judgement and decisions were due to lack of guts. Really, you just disagree with them.

Nobody is gutless in this little dustup here. But it's too easy to say so from your typewriter on the internet, even when so much about this man absolutely proves otherwise.


41 posted on 05/29/2006 11:28:59 PM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: SandRat

Unfortunately, if they are found innocent the real outrage and cries of massive cover-up will start, louder than ever.

That is the wrongness of the media trying what they wish to in the public eye as they are doing.

They have condemned the Marines before anyone actually knows for sure what happened.


42 posted on 05/29/2006 11:50:27 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: Natural Law
I had a good friend seriously wounded and was refused permission to return fire.

You leave out many details. Our troops are allowed to defend themselves, especially when fired upon. Your blanket implication is pretty lame.

I'm sorry you feel betrayed from Vietnam, but I thank you for your service.

43 posted on 05/30/2006 3:50:46 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: SandRat

The liberals cry about "tainting the jury pool" when it comes to a dubious accusation of rape. However, when it comes to Marines being accused of murder, there is no such concern. Hypocrits is an understatement.


44 posted on 05/30/2006 3:59:55 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Coop
Brave accusation knowing the general cannot publicly criticize a member of Congress.

Pace Murtha

45 posted on 05/30/2006 6:17:53 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Thanks for reminding me of their previous tangles. :-)


46 posted on 05/30/2006 6:45:52 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: txrangerette
If areas of Iraq were declared a free fire zone or if air-strikes were the response to assaults on our troops we wouldn't have ground pounders being prosicuted for not being JAGs.

I think there is a degree of gutlessness in blaming the Military leadership for insufficient troop levels. When asked about this the president always dumps it off on the generals saying they have all of the troops they have asked for. If the generals asked for double the troop strength what would the response be? Nada, the reserves and National Guard are already stretched to the breaking point and our leadership doesn't have the guts to transfer our troops out of Japan, Germany, Korea, the Balkans, etc.
47 posted on 05/30/2006 9:52:26 AM PDT by Natural Law
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