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On a Marine Base, Disbelief Over Charges
New York Times ^ | May 29, 2006 | Carolyn Marshall

Posted on 05/30/2006 6:00:23 AM PDT by Peach

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif., May 29 — In this "company town" where everything and everyone caters to the well-being of the Marine Corps, there is no shortage of people, both military and civilian, who are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the troops accused of unjustified killings last November in Haditha, Iraq.

Relatives and neighbors gathered near the shrouded bodies of civilians said to have been killed by marines in Haditha, Iraq, in November.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/30/world/middleeast/30voices.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anamericansoldier; haditha; marines; murthawatch
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1 posted on 05/30/2006 6:00:24 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
In this "company town" where everything and everyone caters to the well-being of the Marine Corps....

Nice start to the article. Funny how they never start a column defending libs with "At this "company rag" where everything and everyone caters to Dem causes....."

Remember the famous "wedding massacre" incident from the recent past? I have a feeling this story is just like it. Utterly false.

2 posted on 05/30/2006 6:07:09 AM PDT by edpc
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To: Peach

And no shortage of freepers that think the MSM and the leakers have it right, unfortunately.


3 posted on 05/30/2006 6:07:17 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Peach

Benefit of the doubt???

The NY Times seems to be bothered that people would give our Marines the BOTD. What should we do according to them, assume they are guilty.

The Slimes makes me want to puke.


4 posted on 05/30/2006 6:10:49 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (Still MAD as HELL!!!)
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To: pissant

A year ago I was charged with two counts of premeditated murder and with other war crimes related to my service in Iraq. My wife and mother sat in a Camp Lejeune courtroom for five days while prosecutors painted me as a monster; then autopsy evidence blew their case out of the water, and the Marine Corps dropped all charges against me ["Marine Officer Cleared in Killing of Two Iraqis," news story, May 27, 2005].

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/27/AR2006052700846.html


5 posted on 05/30/2006 6:11:38 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Peach

"In the heat of combat, you cannot hesitate; he who hesitates is lost," he said. "I would not prosecute these young men because they were just doing their jobs."


But conversation quickly returns to emotional and earnest explanations of the need for understanding for what one former marine described as "these 19-year-old kids who get paid 900 bucks a month to put their lives on the line."


6 posted on 05/30/2006 6:12:24 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: edpc
Laura Ingraham saying her sources in the Pentagon say it's bad. I think some Freepers are putting their heads in the sand, rather than realizing that what makes us GREAT is that when such atrocities occur with our fighting forces, WE identify it, WE prosecute it, WE try it, and WE address it.

I don't see the N. Koreans or al-Qaeda interested in trying anyone for atrocities they commit.

7 posted on 05/30/2006 6:12:46 AM PDT by LS
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To: Peach

I'm very familiar with his story, and I'm very familiar with how the MSM operates. They are doing their Murtha best to spread the propaganda. Disgusting.


8 posted on 05/30/2006 6:13:45 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Peach

Funny, you don't see this much exposure over terrorists killing people in Iraq. It's only newsworthy when we are suspected of doing it.


9 posted on 05/30/2006 6:13:48 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: bnelson44; Coop

Another point of view:)


10 posted on 05/30/2006 6:13:57 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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To: Peach

TG you were cleared, what a horrible experience to endure.


11 posted on 05/30/2006 6:14:34 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck ("Are you... a pacifist...?" "No sir, I'm a coward!")
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To: pissant

It's truly nauseating that so many jump to believe the worst about our military. Thank God I'll never understand or relate to people like that. Incredible....


12 posted on 05/30/2006 6:15:52 AM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: Paloma_55
The Slimes makes me want to puke.

Me too, only I want to puke on the writer, her editor, and the owners of the paper. I don't usually even read their kind of anti-American, anti-military crap, it makes my blood boil over and my cardiologists have warned me about that sort of thing.

13 posted on 05/30/2006 6:16:50 AM PDT by epow (Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend, inside a dog it's too dark to read a book, Groucho)
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To: Peach

Sir, Thank You for your service to our country!


14 posted on 05/30/2006 6:23:18 AM PDT by ikka
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To: SE Mom
"The Los Angeles Times reported Friday that photographs taken by a Marine intelligence team sent into Haditha showed execution-style killings, including gunshots to the head. "


I thought the guys taking the pictures were two Lance Corporals with digital cameras their mom's gave them?
15 posted on 05/30/2006 6:25:17 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: LS
WE identify it, WE prosecute it, WE try it, and WE address it.

This is very true and I have no problems with the prosecution of memebers of the military who are guilty of crimes. Of course the sources say it looks bad. At this point, I don't think they have much more detailed information than is already known. On the surface, it doesn't bode well. I'm anxious to see what transpires. Problem is...we'll never get any solid info on the incident without rancor from either side.

16 posted on 05/30/2006 6:25:22 AM PDT by edpc
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To: VoiceOfBruck

I linked the Marine's letter in the Washington Post; those weren't my words but his. He took Murtha to the woodshed.


17 posted on 05/30/2006 6:27:11 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Peach

I want the Old Media held accountable for the libelist intentions that are so obvious with the reporting of such incidents. Wishful thinking on their part does not give them the right to character assasination and they should be liable to the tune of several hundred thousand.


18 posted on 05/30/2006 6:27:44 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: Neoliberalnot

You know what kills me about the media and leftists?

When a civilian is found guilty of murder and given the death penalty, the leftists come out in droves to defend the murderer. Not the victim(s).

But let the military, MAYBE get carried away in the heat of the moment, and the media and left have soldiers and Marines found already guilty, even without a trial.

The double standard is shocking.


19 posted on 05/30/2006 6:37:17 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Peach
MARINES
The level of character that sissy,prissy writers for the NYT secretly wish to achieve but never ever will.
20 posted on 05/30/2006 6:37:52 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: LS

I think what most freepers are doing is saying that those Marines are innocent until proven guilty.

We've all seen this playbook before and they wouldn't be the first Marines charged with premeditated murder in Iraq only to be found innocent.


21 posted on 05/30/2006 6:38:36 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Peach

This Marine was charged with premeditated murder and other war crimes in Iraq and was found innocent of the charges:

Members of the U.S. military serving in Iraq need more than Mr. Murtha's pseudo-sympathy. They need leaders to stand with them even in the hardest of times. Let the courts decide if these Marines are guilty. They haven't even been charged with a crime yet, so it is premature to presume their guilt -- unless that presumption is tied to a political motive.

ILARIO PANTANO

Jacksonville, N.C.

The writer served as a Marine enlisted man in the Persian Gulf War and most recently as a platoon commander in Iraq.


22 posted on 05/30/2006 6:41:49 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Peach
When a civilian is found guilty of murder and given the death penalty, the leftists come out in droves to defend the murderer. Not the victim(s).

But let the military, MAYBE get carried away in the heat of the moment, and the media and left have soldiers and Marines found already guilty, even without a trial.

The double standard is shocking.

Worth repeating and remembering. Often we need the obvious pointed out to us.
Thanks Peach.

23 posted on 05/30/2006 6:45:28 AM PDT by CedarDave (Sleeper trolls are like cicadas - emerge in the heat and contribute nothing but loud annoying noise)
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To: LS
Laura Ingraham saying her sources in the Pentagon say it's bad. I think some Freepers are putting their heads in the sand, rather than realizing that what makes us GREAT is that when such atrocities occur with our fighting forces, WE identify it, WE prosecute it, WE try it, and WE address it.

Putting their heads in the sand why? Because we won't pronounce guilt before the learning the facts? Hand me a shovel, and I'll put the rest of my body in there as well.

24 posted on 05/30/2006 6:47:51 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: CedarDave

Changing tagline. It's stolen from another freeper whose name I don't remember.


25 posted on 05/30/2006 6:48:35 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: SE Mom

Thanks for the ping. :)


26 posted on 05/30/2006 6:48:54 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: CedarDave
It always irks me that the media are not satisfied with reporting what is or has happene. They want to predict the future. They are like kids in the back of a car going "Are we there yet?"

The other day in the Blair news conferance president Bush said, "we've suffered a lot over Abu Gharib. Ann Compton summarized saying that he had said. "We are going to suffer a lot." No respecter of tense, she.

27 posted on 05/30/2006 6:53:41 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Peach; HarleyLady27

Harley Lady. :-)


28 posted on 05/30/2006 6:57:52 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Peach
I think I'll change my tag line too.

All Freepers should let this be their tag line.

29 posted on 05/30/2006 6:59:18 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Coop; HarleyLady27

That was her quote, wasn't it?


30 posted on 05/30/2006 7:00:35 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Peach
I wonder if associates of the CBS crew killed and wounded are angry with those who committed the act, or angry with the President and Rumfeld for directiong the troops into Iraq?

Never mind, I know the answer.
31 posted on 05/30/2006 7:03:10 AM PDT by CedarDave (Sleeper trolls are like cicadas - emerge in the heat and contribute nothing but loud annoying noise)
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To: HarleyLady27; Coop

Thank you for my new tagline, HarleyLady.

I am sick to DEATH of the left who defend civilian murderers from the death penalty. These civilian murderers can be mass murderers who committed the most heinous crimes, but the left will defend them, every time.

But let a military man MAYBE commit a crime of a similar nature, and without benefit of a trial, the left have them convicted and hung already.


32 posted on 05/30/2006 7:03:55 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: All

We don't know yet what really happened.

It might not satisfy most, but the guilt they will bear for this action, if it occurred, will be punishment enough.


33 posted on 05/30/2006 7:04:13 AM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: pbrown

Thank you for supporting our beloved military.


34 posted on 05/30/2006 7:04:21 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: CedarDave

I can't remember, in my lifetime, the left being angry with the RIGHT people. The left have stood with every tinpot dictator the world ever produced. And they have condemned every Republican president who has tried to free people from a life of tyranny and fear.


35 posted on 05/30/2006 7:05:36 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Peach; LS
I think you are both right. A number of freepers are taking the innocent until proven guilty - wait and see attitude (which is the correct one in all criminal cases).

But there are also those who do have their heads in the sand and deny that there is even any remote possibility of there being any truth to the story, in spite of the Corps own investigation.

Some freepers (not you P) are attacking those who allow for the possibility of there being something here as being trolls or tools of the left. This accomplishes nothing and is childish.

There is only one truth about this, and that truth will be revealed eventually. We will all have to live with whatever it is.

36 posted on 05/30/2006 7:05:57 AM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Coop; Peach; HarleyLady27

Here it is on this thread.



What's the price of Iraqi lives?--US military is behaving more like Barbarian hordes

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636616/posts?page=6#6


37 posted on 05/30/2006 7:06:48 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Don't mess with Texas.)
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To: LS
Some Freepers are sniveling water-boys for the MSM.

Most support these Marines no matter what.
38 posted on 05/30/2006 7:07:28 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Peach
I think what most freepers are doing is saying that those Marines are innocent until proven guilty.

There are some, however, who are in essence saying that it wouldn't be that big a deal even if they were guilty.

39 posted on 05/30/2006 7:08:35 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Arrowhead1952

Oh, I read that woman and found her a disgusting excuse for a human being.

Without even being charged or having a trial, she has the Marines ready to be hung.

But I'll bet she'd defend a civilian mass murderer in this country from the death penalty.


40 posted on 05/30/2006 7:08:50 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Peach

No need to thank me, Peach. It is my honor to support our military. I always have, and always will. God bless them for standing watch as my family and myself sleep well under the blanket they provide.


41 posted on 05/30/2006 7:09:01 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Peach
"...those weren't my words but his."

Whew! I've known and watched your behavior enough here on FR to be almost certain that was the case -- but the comment caused even me to "do a doubletake"...long enough to go back and re-read what you wrote.

Nex time, please use italics or "quotation marks" (or both, as I did above) when quoting/citing another. You almost caused a few heart attacks! LOL!!

42 posted on 05/30/2006 7:09:24 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Repeat San Jacinto!!! AND START IN AUSTIN!!!)
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To: All
First, this "journalist", Carolyn Marshall should know that M is capitalized in Marine.

Second, since no one has been even indicted much less convicted, I suggest everyone wait until the final verdict comes in before making unsubstantiated accusations.

And finally, since today is Memorial Day. A day when we memorialize those who made the ultimate sacrifice for freedom including Marines. On this day of all days, one would think of all days that we wouldn't have to read this left wing propaganda.

Semper Fi,
Kelly
43 posted on 05/30/2006 7:10:31 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: r9etb
There are some, however, who are in essence saying that it wouldn't be that big a deal even if they were guilty.

And there are some who are saying "They're guilty, because Murtha and some sources say so."

44 posted on 05/30/2006 7:11:51 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: r9etb

I doubt that freepers think it wouldn't be a big deal, per se. But rather, mistakes happen in war. Men who are being shot at and watching their buddies get killed sometimes over-react.

My husband has been sick and we spent two days watcing old war (mostly WWII) movies on television. There are numerous incidents of over-reacting in every war ever fought. This war has had fewer of those incidents than any other in the history of warfare.

Even if these men over-reacted, I'll be pleased to see them taken off the battlefield, but do I want them to pay for a mistake for the rest of their lives? Absolutely not.

Murderers in this country receive more of the benefit of a doubt than these Marines are getting and I'm sick of it.


45 posted on 05/30/2006 7:11:56 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: TXnMA

LOL. I'm so sorry, TxnMA; I should have posted that better.

BTW, what the heck is a person from Texas doing in Massachusetts? You must feel like you've landed in lala land.


46 posted on 05/30/2006 7:13:15 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: pbrown

It is the soldier, not the reporter, Who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, Who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, Who salutes the flag, Who serves beneath the flag, And whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who allows the protester to burn the flag. --Admiral Jeremiah Denton


47 posted on 05/30/2006 7:14:33 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: kellynla
And finally, since today is Memorial Day. A day when we memorialize those who made the ultimate sacrifice for freedom including Marines. On this day of all days, one would think of all days that we wouldn't have to read this left wing propaganda.

Anti-American and anti-military jumped on this specifically because it WAS Memorial Day. Much like atheist slam Jesus at Christmas time.

48 posted on 05/30/2006 7:19:15 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: LS
Laura Ingraham saying her sources in the Pentagon say it's bad. I think some Freepers are putting their heads in the sand, rather than realizing that what makes us GREAT is that when such atrocities occur with our fighting forces, WE identify it, WE prosecute it, WE try it, and WE address it.

I don't see the N. Koreans or al-Qaeda interested in trying anyone for atrocities they commit.

Professor, did GI's in the big one take their Brownies with them and sell the photographs to LOOK?

This story is walking BS.

Even if every bit of it is true, the onus is on the insurgent and radical Baathist to not get in a fire-fight in the presence of their families. It's a no brainer, they shouldn't try to prove Darwin's theory in battle.

Add one more: WE play right into the hands of those that wish to destroy our nation.

49 posted on 05/30/2006 7:20:31 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: Peach

Every time I read that it gives me the chills. It's so beautiful and so true.


50 posted on 05/30/2006 7:21:56 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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