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Wiccan War Widow Holds Own Ceremony; Protests Official Memorial Service
Madison.com via AP Wire ^ | May 30, 2006 | Tom Gardener

Posted on 05/30/2006 12:53:17 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

In 81 they refused to put Athiest on my tags.


41 posted on 05/30/2006 1:46:08 PM PDT by DungeonMaster
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; fromscratchmom; grellis; Antonello
In most other news articles on the subject, it refers to him as a 'Practicing Wiccian'.

Wiccian was also identified on his dog tags as his religion, something he would have requested.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Mar-02-Thu-2006/news/6149634.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/27/ap/national/mainD8HS48LO0.shtml

http://www.rgj.com/obits/index.php?id=14281

He and his wife's wedding was also a Wiccian ceremony.

Very little to show that she 'chose' this for him, by all accounts, this was his religion too.

42 posted on 05/30/2006 1:49:18 PM PDT by mnehring (Those who advocate, and act to promote, victory by Democrats are not conservatives!)
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To: DejaJude
They worship the all mighty atom?

It's meant to represent rational thought as opposed to faith in a deity. Science is supposed to be the epitome of rational thought, and an atom is a good symbol of science.

However, it's still a stupid-looking symbol.

43 posted on 05/30/2006 1:53:22 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: mnehrling

Well, there you go then. I asked, you did the legwork for me! :)


44 posted on 05/30/2006 1:56:34 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
You peaked my curiosity with that question...
45 posted on 05/30/2006 1:57:26 PM PDT by mnehring (Those who advocate, and act to promote, victory by Democrats are not conservatives!)
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To: fromscratchmom
In the end they will probably give her what she wants.

As they should. In the end she is the serviceman's next-of-kin and we should give her the benefit of the doubt that she is acting in his best interests. I have no reson to doubt that the man was Wiccan, so I see absolutely no reason why there shouldn't be the religious symbol of his choice on the marker.

46 posted on 05/30/2006 1:58:39 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: MeanWestTexan
Not quite sure how it got transformed

The pentagram was used with astrological or religions meaning long before Christianity, and has been used by many cultures since. I'm not sure why Christians discarded it.

47 posted on 05/30/2006 2:00:18 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: mnehrling

LOL. I don't think you even have to visit a conspiracy site. There are people around here who have basically said as much.


48 posted on 05/30/2006 2:03:42 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: antiRepublicrat

"I'm not sure why Christians discarded it."

The more I think about it, it probably is BECAUSE of the mutliple other religions making claim to the symbol that Christianity discarded it.

Opted for symbols fairly unique to Christianity: Sign of Jonah (fish, rising from death in 3 days and reference to miracle of fish); cup; cross, or all three together.


49 posted on 05/30/2006 2:05:28 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: MeanWestTexan

I believe it has to do with the belief that by turning something holy upside down, (inverted pentagram) that it somehow is opposite and therefore, evil.


50 posted on 05/30/2006 2:06:47 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Wiccan War Widow

Kinda sounds like there was a war between the Wiccans.

51 posted on 05/30/2006 2:07:14 PM PDT by DejaJude (Admiral Clark said, "Our mantra today is life, liberty and the pursuit of those who threaten it!")
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To: DungeonMaster

I believe they just put "None," which is pretty close.

"No preference" was for those damn fence-sitting agnostics.


52 posted on 05/30/2006 2:07:47 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
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    CHRISTIAN SCIENTIST (Cross & Crown) Not shown because of copyrights.
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    No graphics (logos, symbols, etc.) are permitted on Government-furnished headstones or markers other than the approved emblems of belief, the Civil War Union Shield, the Civil War Confederate Southern Cross of Honor, and the Medal of Honor insignias.



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53 posted on 05/30/2006 2:08:00 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: taxcontrol

Probably that and others.


54 posted on 05/30/2006 2:08:46 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I used to have a Wiccan Chair.

Piece of it came loose.

I pulled on it and pulled on it and the chair became undone.


55 posted on 05/30/2006 2:10:22 PM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: mnehrling

They can do atheist, humanist, but they can't do wiccan?

I'd call it discrimination.


56 posted on 05/30/2006 2:11:14 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: Antonello; mnehrling; fromscratchmom; All

"Should we question a Christian widow's request for a cross if the fallen soldier might have just been 'indulging her while alive to keep the peace'?"

Sure. It happens. My husband doesn't openly practice his religion, but he's told me I can bury him any way I want to if he goes before me. Just make absolutely certain he's dead before I do so, LOL!

I wasn't denegrating their choice in religion at all. Luckily, we Lutherans have thick skins when others accuse us of things they imagine we're saying. ;)

"mnehrling" cleared it all up. The article was sorely lacking in details; you know the MSM and how they LOVE to leave out the details so it makes the MILITARY look bad. As a vet myself, it bugs the heck out of me.

This IS an AP story, so I have no problems questioning the content or looking for the "agenda." It's not like they don't misrepresent the facts on a daily basis when it comes to sticking it to the military for any reason they can find.

And they had to look long and hard to find a 'Wiccan War Widow' to use her to make the military look bad. How many buried now? 2,460 or so? We've had 55 losses in Wisconsin. No stories about those families and their loss because they're not whining about the military "doing them wrong."


57 posted on 05/30/2006 2:12:12 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: mnehrling

And you know there are more wiccans than members of that group, or some of the other obscure churches on their list.


58 posted on 05/30/2006 2:14:01 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

I was reading through all the posts thinking the same thing.

No proof anywhere that Wicca was his religion. I put a few off ball things on my form every now and again. Good thing I didn't get killed with one of the real stupid ones I had listed.
59 posted on 05/30/2006 2:15:24 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Ummmm, there is still no set government marker for Wiccans, while there are markers for a myriad of other obscure faiths.

I personally think that should be remedied and have no problem with AP telling me about the oversight.


60 posted on 05/30/2006 2:19:04 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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