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Sons Of Iwo Jima (Excellent Haditha "massacre" article)
Invest. business Daily ^ | 5/30/06 | staff

Posted on 05/30/2006 5:15:26 PM PDT by pissant

War In Iraq: The press is salivating over the prospect of an Iraqi My Lai in the town of Haditha, with ABC trotting out Rep. John Murtha to brand U.S. troops war criminals just in time for Memorial Day.

Appearing Sunday on ABC's "This Week," and with the matter still under investigation, Murtha, D-Pa., decided it would be sentence first and trial later when he proclaimed Marines responding to an attack in the town of Haditha on Nov. 19 guilty of murder of at least 15 Iraqi civilians.

The incident began as a Marine convoy of Kilo Company, Third Battalion, First Marine Regiment, was passing through Haditha in the Iraqi province of Anbar. A roadside improvised explosive device (IED) went off, killing Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas, 20, of El Paso, who was on his second tour of duty.

According to Time magazine, an Iraqi civil rights group claims the Marines then barged into nearby houses, throwing grenades and shooting civilians randomly as they cowered in fear. Murtha believes the Time report. "I will not excuse murder," he said on ABC, "and this is what happened."

But Duncan Hunter, D-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, who got all the briefings on the matter Murtha got, says the "in cold blood" allegations by Murtha are all wet.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; coldblood; djsob; haditha; ibd; iraq; iraqwar; iwojima; johnmurtha; marines; military; murtha; semperfi; usmarines
Murtha believes the Time report. "I will not excuse murder," he said on ABC, "and this is what happened."

But Duncan Hunter, D-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, who got all the briefings on the matter Murtha got, says the "in cold blood" allegations by Murtha are all wet.

So Murtha's "cold blood" murder was not confirmed by the briefing, according to Duncan Hunter. Why am I not suprised

1 posted on 05/30/2006 5:15:26 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Not to mention that I understand they have "tapes" of radio communications of the event. And a UAV was overhead. Let the investigation take place. If court martials are in order, let the military do its thing and the American media and politicians should keep their mouths shut.
Courst that won't happen.


2 posted on 05/30/2006 5:19:03 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

That is the way its supposed to be. With the MSM giving kudos to a thorough investigation, and hoping as loyal Americans that the alleged charges are false. But the Kerry generation of Jenjis Khan democrats has led a large swath of our population to hate and despise the military. It's sickening.


3 posted on 05/30/2006 5:22:24 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
From the article:

Lt. Pantano and Marines such as those at Haditha face a death sentence every day in a war with an enemy that obeys no rules. They are heroes, not war criminals. Yet there are some who think their reward for putting their lives on the line for their country and doing their duty to the best of their ability should be a murder charge, just because they don't like the policy that put them there.

There's one thing these men are that many in the media and Congress are not — and it is shown in the Marine motto. Semper fi.

But the terrorists already have their propaganda victory. Al Jazeera can headline: "US Congressman Confirms Marines Guilty of Murder". That's all they need, and Murtha just gave it to them. Nice work once again liberals.

4 posted on 05/30/2006 5:22:37 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Argus

And Murtha KNOWS damn well that is what he did. He is praying for failure and abbetting the enemy.


5 posted on 05/30/2006 5:24:27 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

If you believe in the ends, you're not gonna have as much problem with the means as those who don't believe in the ends. It's that simple.

For all the angst one can conjure over Dresden or Nagasaki, it means nothing to the overall outcome if you agree with that outcome. Same in Korea. Same at My Lai. Same in Iraq. This is not to say that these Marines were not justified. I'm speaking of those who assume differently: they do it because they're trying to invalidate the War itself. Nothing more, nothing less.


6 posted on 05/30/2006 5:24:32 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: pissant
But Duncan Hunter, D-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, who got all the briefings on the matter Murtha got, says the "in cold blood" allegations by Murtha are all wet.

Is this an honest Dem?????

How is a Dem the chairmen of any comittee?

7 posted on 05/30/2006 5:26:34 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: nicollo

that is a reasonable historical perspective. But I assume most support the prosecution of gross malfeasance, if it occurs. I don't think it did, at least not the way its being portrayed.


8 posted on 05/30/2006 5:27:34 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Lx

Duncan is a GOPer.


9 posted on 05/30/2006 5:28:36 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
How strong is Murtha in his district? He better walk on water there - because this sort of politicizing could be very bad for his tenure in the House.
10 posted on 05/30/2006 5:29:12 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: pissant

Now it makes sense.


11 posted on 05/30/2006 5:30:02 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: pissant
"I will not excuse murder," he said on ABC, "and this is what happened."

Is Murtha the judge and the jury? Is it his place to decide what happened and what will and will not be excused? I thought there were processes in place for such things. I guess I was wrong. Murtha is in charge. He is the new Saddam.
12 posted on 05/30/2006 5:30:18 PM PDT by SHOOT THE MOON bat (Disclaimer: No live moonbats were harmed during the making of this screen name.)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

I;m not sure, being on the other side of the country. But I can assure you the dems will pour buckets of cahs into his campaign.


13 posted on 05/30/2006 5:30:59 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
As I recall, John Murtha was a major on a regimental staff in Vietnam. Most of his was tour was spent inside a perimeter. He was not awarded his two Purple Hearts until he decided to go into politics. At that time he applied for them, recalling a helicopter crash he had been in and some other mishap which he attributed to the enemy. Murtha works closely with his brother, Kit, a defense industry lobbyist. Between them they have done well for Kit's clients. I have seen the theory posted on this site that Murtha's bizarre and disgraceful behavior and comments for the last 18 months or so is a ploy. With the Justice Department looking into the sleazy dealings of Murtha, his brother and their client/co-conspirators, Murtha can scream "political retaliation" by the feds when the indictments come down.
14 posted on 05/30/2006 5:31:08 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

cahs = cash


15 posted on 05/30/2006 5:31:11 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

It is the military's job to investigate, conduct a hearing and punish the Marines if wrongdoing is found. It's not the job of some lardass, anti-American Congressman with a big mouth. Fat Jack Murtha needs to stick to sniffing the chairs in Nancy Pelosi's office.


16 posted on 05/30/2006 5:31:52 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dat you Jesse?)
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To: Lx

I think he's a good one too.


17 posted on 05/30/2006 5:32:06 PM PDT by pissant
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To: SHOOT THE MOON bat

As delusional as Saddam in a spider hole.


18 posted on 05/30/2006 5:32:34 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Argus
Semper Fi is for us as well. We set VERY high standards for our soldiers, sailors, airmen and MARINES. We need to give them the benefit of the doubt when they are in combat. We need to be faithful to THEM, because they earn our trust by risking their lives for us. You may not be part of the "Green Machine," but you certainly can help them out - just by showing a bit of patience and respect. Don't buy in to the "every day is another Vietnam" crap that the M$M is attempting to sell.

I for one, am not worried in the least about this business. Stop giving the other side a club with which to beat us by giving credence to lies, half-truths and omissions. The USMC has a proven record of combat performance second to NONE. They will take care of any "bad actors" because they take the honor of the Corps seriously.
19 posted on 05/30/2006 5:33:46 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Let him scream. This sicko needs to be nailed for ANY wrongdoing.


20 posted on 05/30/2006 5:33:58 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Lx

Duncan Hunter is a staunch Republican. A real conservative.


21 posted on 05/30/2006 5:34:04 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: FlingWingFlyer

That is a very gross visual. LOL


22 posted on 05/30/2006 5:38:00 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

an Iraqi civil rights group claims the Marines then barged into nearby houses, throwing grenades and shooting civilians randomly as they cowered in fear.



How did I miss this part of the story........I'll take the word of a Marine over an Iraqi anyday of the week...


23 posted on 05/30/2006 5:38:43 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Thanks for the correction. I really hate it when these articles make mistakes like this. Duncan Hunter us great.


24 posted on 05/30/2006 5:39:00 PM PDT by Brandie (I do not ask you to support our Troops, I tell you that you must or you are no friend of mine.)
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To: pissant
But I assume most support the prosecution of gross malfeasance, if it occurs.
No doubt. What's at question here is not what happened at Haditha, but what's happening in Iraq. This is a technical issue if you're not insane against what we're doing in Iraq. For those fools, it becomes a metaphor.
25 posted on 05/30/2006 5:39:01 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: mystery-ak

Or a self serving congressman.


26 posted on 05/30/2006 5:40:00 PM PDT by pissant
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To: RKV

Aren't you worried about how Murtha has gotten the media all reved up for reports on our soldiers as "baby killers." I am, but then I worry about things.

I just don't expect the media to exercise any restraint or give context.


27 posted on 05/30/2006 5:40:23 PM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: RKV
They will take care of any "bad actors" because they take the honor of the Corps seriously.

And that is the ultimate bottom line.

28 posted on 05/30/2006 5:41:05 PM PDT by Bahbah (The Dream Act...the latest nightmare to be brought to you by the US Senate)
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To: nicollo

It has become the metaphor they were praying (to gaia) for, since the start of the war.


29 posted on 05/30/2006 5:41:07 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Especially a self serving POS Congressman....


30 posted on 05/30/2006 5:42:47 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: mystery-ak

Yep. I forgot the POS.


31 posted on 05/30/2006 5:45:36 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

So was Abu Ghraib. Key word: "was."


32 posted on 05/30/2006 6:08:47 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: pissant; All

Story coming up on H&C...on Fox


33 posted on 05/30/2006 6:12:47 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: Patriot from Philly

Let not your heart be troubled. Do not give them traction, and don't waste your time worrying. Americans get it. Despite the worst that the media can do.


34 posted on 05/30/2006 6:32:58 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: nicollo; All

Yep. I remember the glee and handwringing and the hundreds of stories about the sandstorm quagmire (3 days into the invasion), the deadly fedayeen, the errant missile where Saddam was supposed to be meeting, the looting, the wily Saddam avoiding capture, the quagmire in Najaf, the tank firing at the reporters, the fake turkey that the Prez was serving to the troops, the infamous wedding "massacre", the atrocities of Fallujah, the Mosque massacre, the resultant "civil war", and of course Abu Ghraib. The MSM has hit the paydirt so many times with scandal and incompetence, its breathtaking.

These stories listed above were covered in tens of thousands of MSM articles. The progress and good news stories, of which there have been hundreds, have been covered in all of about 40 articles in the last 3 years.


35 posted on 05/30/2006 6:42:01 PM PDT by pissant
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To: mystery-ak

I'll have to catch the repeat. Who are they talking with? Please tell me it is not Lawrence Odonnell.


36 posted on 05/30/2006 6:42:57 PM PDT by pissant
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Col Cowan....you didn't miss much...Hannity defended the Marines, Colmes idolizes and defends Murtha....sickening..


37 posted on 05/30/2006 6:44:42 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Army Wife and Army Mother.....toughest job in the military)
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To: mystery-ak

I try not to watch that show. LOL. I like Brit and Cavuto, but that's about it.


38 posted on 05/30/2006 6:47:20 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Just browsing through the May 21 Wash (com)Post book magazine and I see a review by Stanley Karnow of the Michael Sallah book, "Tiger Force: A True Story of Men and War." The (com)Post title for the review is "Crimes of War."

I suspect that the book authors do not agree with the review. Nonetheless, the reviewer, a journalist in Vietnam, practically slobbers over the possibilities of American war crimes in Vietnam -- and elsewhere, aka Abu Graib. He blames America for some of the worst cruelties of Tiger Force in Vietnam, committed by latinos, who, he says, did it becuase they were "harrassed by Anglo supremacists back home." Did this line of thought come up during Abu Graib? Perhaps the fraternity-mentality defense, but none of this class/race b.s. that this moron feeds upon. Pathetic.

What I must assume was the worst of the "war crimes" that the reviewer discusses amounts to a stupidly small number of deaths in 120 people over 33 days in 1967. Sad, yes. Defining of the entire war in which millions died? Shut up. That'd be a single lost bomb over a Tokyo suburb in 1944. Same motive, same effect.

And 1967! The war was plenty popular yet. Anyone who looks to that date for justification of the Vietnam War's futility is just pulling grass. "Look! Look!" Without later events whatever happened in 1967 means nothing. Same goes for today's news. What happens next is all that matters. We musn't let the fools get us down.

Perhaps the present "unpopularity" of this war will help sustain it. With so many Americans not expecting quick results, perhaps their pessimism may be translated into patience and fortitude. Here's to hoping.


39 posted on 05/30/2006 7:10:28 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: nicollo

Here's to hoping.


40 posted on 05/30/2006 7:15:51 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

they interviewed a few of the kids that survived, and one little girl said that she knew a bomb was going to off when the american convoy went by. This is suspect. She then said she wants the americans to be tortured, killed and to leave iraq. I smell something phishy here. I bet the entire family was harboring terrorist and triggermen.


41 posted on 05/30/2006 8:08:43 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav
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To: Btrp113Cav

More than a few accounts from "witnesses" stink to high heaven.


42 posted on 05/30/2006 8:45:53 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Btrp113Cav

"they interviewed a few of the kids that survived, and one little girl said that she knew a bomb was going to off when the american convoy went by. This is suspect."

No doubt! The Marines were definitely on to something, and it lead them to that particular house. I wouldn't be surprised if the trigger device was in that very same house. For those of you who haven't heard about this, check out the video by going here and clicking on the "Haditha uncovered" link:

http://www.cnn.com/video/

The video was shot by a "human rights" group, so it's no surprise that the little girl's (Eman Walid) statement about covering her ears before the explosion wasn't answered with a follow-up question. Good little Islamofascists in the making, aren't they? Especially the one with the rag on her head.


43 posted on 05/30/2006 9:36:58 PM PDT by Tarkus2040 ("We need more Patton and less patent leather!" --Michael Savage)
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To: pissant

I may get banned for this, but here goes...

I hope Murtha catches a terrorist bullet, the sack of shit treasonous bastard.


44 posted on 05/30/2006 10:42:32 PM PDT by Levante
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To: pissant

ABC....AMERICA BITES COMMRADS


45 posted on 05/31/2006 1:50:13 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: pissant

I saw tonight were ABC jumped all over this on the late news....insuating those NAZI G.I's...GO TO HELL ABC!


46 posted on 05/31/2006 1:53:26 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: pissant

This is the reason we must not allow the Democrats to take over Congress. The Liberals are crazy and eager to jump to conclusions. We must arm ourselves and prepare to do battle anyway we can. These people are outright crazy!


47 posted on 05/31/2006 4:35:17 AM PDT by gunnedah
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If the citizenry of Haiditha is sitting idly by while a terrorist element in their midst is killing American soldiers and the citizens do nothing about it then they are no better than the people of Dresden and they deserve the same fate.


48 posted on 05/31/2006 5:08:19 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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