State’s (MI) proposed ‘shoot first’ law triggers debate

City Pulse ^ | 30 May 2006 | Caitlin Dobson

[grellis]

This is exactly WHY we're getting out!

I have been doing all that you have suggested, and I have had literally years of training now. The duplex next door has done nothing but attract drug dealers, crack addicts and prostitutes for the past 8-10 years. I'm on a first name basis with the Special Ops lieutenant and the captain of Lansing's North Precinct. The captain has tried to help as much as he can, but he's pragmatic about the amount of money and manpower he has to work with. The lieu--everyone thinks this guy is a hero. I am slowly becoming convinced that he is, pardon me, nothing but an assclown. He seemed to take my recent call about the thug very seriously, even parked on the block to monitor the drug traffic...for two hours, 9am to just past 11am, last Friday. (Yeah, that is definitely the time of day when drug traffic is at its peak.) That afternoon, he called the new landlady of the property in question--who is taking this seriously--and told her I was getting hysterical over nothing. He didn't see any deals. She was furious. At least we have a drop-dead eviction date, and a good chance at getting that moved up. In this 'hood, we have a lot better luck with the city atty than the police.

[from occupied ga]

By "late in the game," I was referring to the fact that we are on our way out of this pit. Purchasing and learning to use a handgun would probably take an estimated 6 weeks, if one had a lot of time on their hands, which I do not have

I was thinking of the future. You've hopefully solved one problem, but no guarantees that you will never have another in the future. When I moved to my current location (~30 years ago) very low crime outside the immediate Atlanta city limits. Now with the Mexican invasion, home invasion robberies are common in the Atlanta suburbs (I guess if you're willing to invade the USA, then invading someone's home isn't all that big a next step)

[BlueMondaySkipper]

The problem went away when one of the squatters came in their house an demanded money and got a 30-06 round in the chest instead. (It was my great aunt who shot him)

I like that one Occupied, can you tell us another fun story? Pleeeeeaaaaasssse....

[grellis]

Once we're out of here, gun ownership isn't a maybe, it's a definite, if for no other reason than we'll want the boys to be hunters. The two oldest are already pretty good archers. Right now, selling our house is the priority, 100% of our focus. Everything else is on standby.

[longtermmemmory]

"Stand your ground" is actually law.

This is more about TORT REFORM!

This cuts off the ambulance chasing of the gun grabbers who file suits as a means of intimidation agains gun rights. (and pursue insurance claims)

This stops the Handgun control inc by disarming them by taking away their lawyers.

THIS IS GOOD TORT REFORM.

[cbkaty]

Since then, the thug comes over to my house several times a day, peeking in the windows, muttering threats, making obscene gestures, etc. This guy is twice my size, easy. I'm home alone with a toddler all day. The police will not do a damn thing.

Doing that in Texas at night is deadly for the perp....move to Texas, there is plenty of room.....for now. The illegals are flooding in.....

[from occupied ga]

can you tell us another fun story?

That is the one with the happiest ending.

[longtermmemmory]

four it disarms anti 2nd amendment groups by taking away their lawyers. (tort reform)

[newguy357]

I took a concealed carry course a while ago and they gave the average legal fees we should expect if we shot someone even LEGALLY. I believe it was about $250,000. If you shoot someone you will be sued, whether or not it was justified. Something tells me people won't be shooting others just for the fun of it.

[holymoly]

my kids are way to good at getting into things they shouldn't

What about something like this:

[holymoly]

Purchasing and learning to use a handgun would probably take an estimated 6 weeks, if one had a lot of time on their hands, which I do not have.

Actually, it depends on the firearm and whos' teaching.

For a woman and/or someone of dimunitive stature, a 20 gauge pump shotgun might fit the ticket. Get some #3 buck shot and a trigger lock at a Meijers store, and you're good to go.

[RogueIsland]

Picture this: A homeless man comes up to you and in a demanding voice asks for money. You have no knowledge if he is armed, and he says nothing to suggest he is. Still, you feel threatened. You are carrying a pistol legally because of the state’s concealed weapon law. You pull it out and shoot him.

In which case, with or without the law, you WILL be convicted and you WILL go to jail. We have this law in Florida, as others have pointed out. Under stand-your-ground, outside the home the same criteria for justified lethal self defense still apply as they always applied. The only difference is the removal of "duty to retreat", which is a tactically and morally assinine requirement.

[B4Ranch]

Call the Chief and ask if this LT is related to the dealer. 11:00 AM, who the hell does he think he's fooling?

[OneWingedShark]

IMHO people are much more civil if they suspect that you are armed and you have a legal right to defend yourself against hostile intentions.

Indeed they are. Why do you think that when dueling was legal that people were generally more polite (at least to your face)?

[Shooter 2.5]

New guns come with a free trigger lock.

[Shooter 2.5]

The bill is part of a nationwide effort by the National Rifle Association to repeal similar duty to retreat laws. The NRA has already been successful with measures in Georgia, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Dakota, Arizona, Kansas, Idaho, Indiana and Florida.

Thank you, NRA. I hope you're a member.