Posted on 05/31/2006 12:54:05 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
I am a victim of circumstance because I did not know the law regarding a twenty some year old can of mace. Everyone knows however, that it is unlawful to put a gun to someone's head and blow their brains out because we want their car.
We all know that it is illegal to go to the border and buy ten kilos of Cocaine, and come back home with it and break it up in little envelopes and sell in on the street corner...Are you seeing the difference here? I'll try it another way, just in case you still don't get it...
The prosecution of the case has the murder weapon, 17 eye witnesses, a video tape, the defendants confession. Has all of this, so, within 30 days, fry the bastard.
Case number two... Joe Coke Head. Get's caught with 463 - 1 gram envelopes of cocaine on the corner of 3rd and Vine. He is asked what he is doing, and he says he selling coke..."Want some?" He gets busted with it all and the jury finds him guilty...lock 'em up and throw away the key...
Case number three.... Me... I'm driving down the road in my wife's car and get pulled over by the cops for doing 5 over. They want to search my wife's vehicle. I let them. They find a 20 + year old can of mace that is larger than the legal limit in the glove box. Her dad gave it to her when she got her license at 16. He said, "here honey, keep this with you, just in case you need it..." Around the same time, Michigan passed a law regarding 35grms was now the legal limit. This canister was 105grms. It is listed in section 14, sub section D, listing 14.D.7...Yea, I hobby reading Michigan Statute on Friday nights. Hardly... And one can go down the street here today, walk into a surplus store and pick between 2 or 3 different manufacturers 110 gram canisters...yes, still being sold on the shelf legally!!
Okay, ignorance is no excuse...I decide no on taking a plea, and go to court...to be judged by a Jury of my peers...they nullify it, and I go free... See the difference now???????
If you are FOUND guilty, then you do the time. If you are not, then you walk the line...simple as that.
Infringement of the right to keep and bear arms, even in modest cases such as you point out, is unconstitutional.
All the police need to say is that they thought they saw what looked like contraband.
David Crosby (Crosby Stills & Nash) did just that and forgot and left his briefcase at an airport a couple years back!
I guess he didn't like the smile on my face because he told me to "pull it over to the side, shut it off, and get out" and proceeded to put me through a full 'Field Sobriety Test'. He was very threatening the whole time.
When we were done with the 'walk-the-line-touch-the-nose-stand-on-one-foot-recite-the-alphabet'-stuff he said "Go" and walked away.
That is the EXACT same logic that the gun-grabbers use to discredit the 2nd Amendment. Al Gore also agrees with your "living constitution" philosiphy.
Does it strike anyone else as strange that they nabbed 67 people with outstanding warrants at these checkpoints?
How many outstanding warrants are there if they got that many by chance?
Why didn't they just go to the homes of those 67 people and execute the warrants?
I guess that the revenue from the 1800 tickets made it worthwhile to do it this way.
Also, there is a process for Amending the Constitution. Don't like it? Work to get things changed.
But you can drop the act right now. You are no "conservative", nor are you a "libertarian". You are an Authoritarian. Be proud of the company you keep in your ideological equals. Folks such as Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, Bill Clinton, and Kofi Annan.
You deserve NOTHING if it comes at the expense of my liberty.
Safety is only a feeling. It is not an absolute state of being.
That has to be the most ignorant and uninformed post that I have ever seen anywhere. You obviously have no understanding of your rights as a free man and believe that you only have what government grants to you.
If the government can give it, the government can take it away. If that is the case, rights aren't rights, but privileges.
Had you emphasized "my", I would agree with you. I did not consider the trading of others liberty for my own safety, as that's plain foolish.
However, if I wish to purchase high security, lock doors obsessively, drive around my block to make sure I am not followed home (I do all of those things), then that is my compromise. I pay a certain price for all of that, and I will not be lectured by philosophers that I "deserve neither safety nor liberty" for those habits.
I simply making the point that unenumerated rights (i.e. that which is not covered in the Constitution) have given the courts room to rule on matters that have no grounds to do so and plenty of people have complained about it.
Thanks for your value judgement. It annoyed me for all of about 3 seconds then I moved on to other more pressing matters......
"Those who sell their liberty for security are understandable, if pitiable, creatures. Those who sell the liberty of others for wealth, power, or even a moment’s respite, deserve only the end of a rope... America’s historic misfortune is that her people have seldom been equal to the ideals upon which their nation was established." — L. Neil Smith, The American Zone (2001)
Yup, coonskin caps pretty much all round, I guess.
Best of luck, my friend.
I grew up in the inner city, but have never been the victim of crime.
As long as I can find a grocery store or a restaurant, I won't be in the woods looking for dinner.
I have to tell you that your kind of thinking is the main reason that I own firearms.
It's people like you and the politicians who pander to you with promises of safety to get your votes who think that you can run my life better than I can that are the real threat to liberty.
May your chains rest lightly.
If I'm ever in that situation, I guarantee that I will intentionally foul up the entire field sobriety test and enjoy the look of disappointment on the Officer's face when I blow a 0.0 on the PBT.
What you purchase with your own funds is your business and not the same as exchanging safety for liberty, which was the inference of your post.
And 3 seconds seems to be about the amount of time that you have given to the understanding of what it means to be free.
Hear that? It's the sound or crickets chirping...
I'm so impressed with your witty replies. NOT!
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