Posted on 06/01/2006 3:20:50 AM PDT by Doctor13
So let's talk about Yugoslavia!
Finally, after more than a decade of one-way journalistic language that in no way made sense, an opening seems to have been created in France in the press (1), and perhaps not only in France, to speak about things differently? or simply to start speaking about Yugoslavia.
A debate, a discussion, a discourse, a fruitful discussion seems to have become possible, a general questioning, of reports that speak for themselves... Previously: nothing, and still more nothing? defamations instead of a debate, expressed by exclusively prefabricated words, repeated ad infinitum, used like an automatic weapon.
So let's enlarge this breach or opening, the springtime of words. Let us at last hear one another instead of screaming and snarling launched from two enemy camps. But also, let's no longer tolerate beings (?), evil (!) spirits (?), who, with respect to the tragic Yugoslav problem, continue firing word-bullets like "revisionism," "apartheid," "Hitler," "bloody dictatorship," etc. Let's stop all the comparisons and all the parallels made about the wars in Yugoslavia. Let's stick to the facts which, like the facts of a civil war, unleashed or at least co-produced by European bad faith or, at least, ignorance, already punctured, are terrible enough from all sides. Let's stop comparing Slobodan Milosevic to Hitler. Let's stop comparing him and his wife Mira Markovic to Macbeth and his Lady and let's stop drawing parallels between the couple and the dictator Ceaucescu and his wife Elena. And let's never again use the expression "concentration camps" for the camps established during the war of succession in Yugoslavia.
True: intolerable camps existed between 1992 and 1995 on the territory of the Yugoslav Republics, chiefly in Bosnia. Let's stop the exclusive and mechanical association of these camps with the Bosnian Serbs: there were also Croat and Muslim camps, and the crimes committed in these camps are and will be judged by The Hague Tribunal. And finally, let's stop associating massacres (of which there were many in Srebrenica in July 1995, and are in fact by far the most abominable) to Serbian forces or paramilitaries. Let's also listen finally to the survivors of the massacres committed by Muslims in the numerous Serbian villages that surround Srebrenica, the Muslim town, massacres committed over and over again during the three years before the fall of Srebrenica, massacres led by the commander of Srebrenica, leading in July 1995 to infernal vengeance, to eternal shame for those Bosnian Serbs responsible for it for the great butchery, and for once the oft-repeated word is in its proper place in the phrase "the greatest in Europe since World War II," while adding, nevertheless, this piece of information: that all the soldiers or Muslim men from Srebrenica who fled from Bosnia into Serbia by crossing the Drina River, the border between the two States, fled to Serbia, the country that was at the time under Milosevic's rule, and that all these soldiers who arrived in Serbia, a so-called enemy, were saved. No butchery or massacre there.
Yes, let's listen, after having listened to the "Mothers of Srebrenica," let's also listen to the mothers or one single mother from the village of Kravica, Serbian, close by, recount the Orthodox Christmas massacre in 1992-1993, committed by Muslim forces from Srebrenica, a massacre also conducted against the women and children of Kravica (the only crime for which the word genocide is appropriate).
And let's stop blindly associating the "snipers" of Sarajevo with "the Serbs": most of the French members of the UN peacekeeping force who were killed in Sarajevo were victims of Muslim gunmen. And let's stop associating the siege (horrible, stupid, incomprehensible) of Sarajevo exclusively with the Bosnian Serbs: in Sarajevo during 1992-1995, tens of thousands of the Serbian population remained blockaded in central neighborhoods like Grbavica, which were in turn put under siege - and how! - by Muslim forces. And let's stop attributing rapes exclusively to Serbs. And let's stop connecting words unilaterally, like one of Pavlov's dogs. Let's enlarge the opening. May the breach never again be choked by rotten and poisoned words. Evil spirits out. Leave language once and for all. Let's learn the art of the question, let's make a trip to the sonorous land, in the name of Yugoslavia, in the name of another Europe. Long live the other Europe! Long live Yugoslavia! Zivela Jugoslavia.
(1) See, among other things, the articles by Brigitte Salino and d'Anne Weber in Le Monde, May 4, 2006; the commentary by Piere Macrabru in Le Figaro, which was published on the same day; and the appeal made by Christian Salmon in Liberation on May 5, 2006.
Translated by Milo Yelesiyevich
Peter Hanke is one of the most prominent and popular German writers of the post war generation. He stirred a senation with a long essay defending Serbia against what he describes as a conspiracy of lazy and mendacious journalists who surf "from cliche to cliche."
He developed a growing mistrust of news accounts of the conflict, and decided to visit Serbia, "the land of the so-called aggressor. His report is part travelogue and part political tract.
A little late in coming, but better now than never.
Good post.
Council to Revoke Handke's Prize
The city council in Düsseldorf, Germany, will vote next week to override the jury that chose the avant-garde Austrian author Peter Handke to receive the $50,000 Heinrich Heine Prize for literature, Agence France-Presse reported yesterday. Karin Trepke, a Green Party member of the council, said it planned to exercise its right to overrule the jury. Mr. Handke has been under fire for his sympathies for the Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic, who died in March in The Hague while on trial for genocide and war crimes.
The problem is, after you start to understand that one, then the problem becomes, which part or parts of this garbage are we supposed to go on believing?
I mean, damn, that's just stupid.
The same kind of people who defend klepto-commie, friend of Saddam, ethnic-cleansing dictators like Milosevic by posting articles written by anti-American, left wing nut-jobs like Peter Hanke.
Prominent playwright Peter Handke, whose plays are mainstays on the German stage, said the United States should be disarmed, not Iraq.
Hoplite..I call him haremboy - is a busy little beaver...well on his way to the bizarre world of Mooslem martyrdom.
You know that if you walked down Pristina or some other albanian controlled town in Kosovo by your lonesome. You most likely will be stopped, questioned and if they don't like you, further 'questioned'. If you hang around there too long for more questions, might end up staying 'overnight' to have yourself checked out for story verification.
Why bother when these same albanians you are helping will turn around and would blow you away for saying anti-uck rants.
Honestly, you think we in the USA gives a rats ass if the albanians were given the proper ass kicking they deserve, again?
Imagine this, mark. If polled, the American people would not care if and or when the Serbs return to Kosovo and literally kick the hell out of the KPC/UCK and other 'pro'Albanian terrorist-narco groups within Southern Serbia regions. Come on now, you are living a fantasy world. You and I both know the situation on the ground there.
You've got my non-FR email address courtesy of your position within the US Gov't. Talk, 1/502d
Air Assault/Bastogne!
How insidious!
Hoplite on the move, nursing homes and spatulas tremble...
Not only don't they care, but the majority doesn't even know that we are still there.......you are absolutely correct.
Nah - Hume (publisher, "Living Marxism") and Deichmann (author, "The Picture That Fooled the World") said it all at their trial for libel:
There has never been any question in my opinion or in the article that I published that this camp was anything other than a grim place at which there were beatings, there were killings and there were rapes. There has never been any question of that. We have never argued contrary to that. - Michael Hume
I do not say that they at the time were able to leave and there - you know, there were fences, there were guards, which we have seen here, armed guards. - Thomas Deichmann
The fact that you still believe the lies 6 years after they've been disowned and discredited says quite a lot, monty - basically it means that your opinion on the matter isn't informed, and therefore doesn't count for squat.
That could be more devastating than Mikhail Bulgakov and Samad Vurghun's collaboration on their 1930's play: "An Army In Need Of A Purge".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Handke
Well, of course "the man should be shot" -- for actually acknowledging that there were "Serb victims" in these wars!
I am about 2/3 of the way through the book "Media Cleansing" by Peter Brock. And it comfirms what I already knew -- that there was so much wrong with the reporting of the break-up of Yugoslavia and the subsequent books written on the subject, that EVERYONE should question all that they think they "know" about the break-up of Yugoslavia, as it was reported.
Those pics were taken from the inside looking out. I rode through that town but did not stop to sight see but I do know where that site is.
Omarska too, being a cool town, is or was nothing but a hyped story by discredited journalists/Roy Gutman and Martin Sugarman.
Woof! You have no leg to stand on besides your daddy's coattails and he aint even cool like others are, man. What happened to you?
ma bell, the only reason Islamophiles hang around FR is because you feed them with your answers. They can't post to themsleves. Ignore them and they will go away. :)
Calling Hoplite- Let's make a deal. I take the pictures from all various angles of the Trnopolje camp. Included will be the infamous photo shots that are now world-famous.
If proven that the pics were from 'inside' and not outside like we and you speculate (in respective order)
1- I and the others on here are wrong, I will give you the full scoop on myself.
2- If I am right and you are wrong, you do the same on yourself.
Deal?
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